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GraphiteDak
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2/24/2005
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My friend really did it today. We were talking on the phone about cars and stuff and he actually had the nerve to say "I like your truck, it has a lot of power with that V8 and all but my 3.3 (Nissan Frontier) V6 will be running long after your V8 is dead".
I'm like WTF??? There goes that misconception again.
Who started that sh*t? And both engines being relatively NEW how would anyone know?
And then he states the "well, you know the Japanese engines last longer..." statement.
Again I was like "WTF"? "Are you serious"? I was like "...dude. People have ran 318's and all the other Dodge V8's (Ford and some Chevy included) in severe duty work trucks and heavy a$$ motor homes and STILL got high miles! I've known many 318's to go 200k + miles with out such as a rod knock! It's rare to see a 318 scatter at all".
Why do people believe that crap? In the last 4 or 5 years myself and everyone I know who is in my field STILL drives stuff like 3/4 ton and 1 ton vans and trucks with small block gas engines from FORD/CHEVY/DODGE and we drive the ever living pi$$ out of them, floored half the time from every light because their not OUR vehicle, it's the companies! At 100k miles the Chevy's we use need a fuel pump and other minor repairs. Been getting 200K miles EASY before these companies even consider selling them and replacing them with newer.
Funny thing is, in my field MOST of what we get considered "new" is like 35K mile or so vans from a rental company who HAS to keep vehicles under a certain mileage by law! How do you think people who rented them vehicles drove them suckers???
All I'm saying is I've known American made stuff to last as long or LONGER than import stuff.
The thing is I hardly EVER see them small Jap craps being used severly like what we do.
Who else thinks that "myth" is getting old?
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Old Fool
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2/24/2005
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And the American stuff that hits 150,000 miles and then is rebuilt for another 200,000 miles. Yup I fully understand what you are saying, rebuild them 4 banger japanese engines at 150,000 miles and hope they go another 75,000 miles.
Those are ECONOMY Vehicles, ment to be used as such, Minimal driving, under no load for maximum fuel milage. So some times it apears they last longer, but if these folks would actually watch the milage and time factors the American Iron will last longer.
Yup, I here ya brother.
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satakieli
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2/25/2005
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Complete agreement. Honda, Nissan, and all the other imports from japan and korea are built to be gas saving minimal repair cars that will last a good while. When an engine is properly taken care of regardless of who made it, it will last FOREVER or something close to it. I have a 88 dak with 250+k on it and it still runs great!the only major problem i had was a tire blowout that ruined my new chrome rims *sigh* never buying badyear eagle ones again.
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mutantchimp
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2/25/2005
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Nissan/Honda/Toyota generally used forged internals, which in passenger cars has led to the statement that Japenese engines will outlast american engines. It is on average a very true statement.
Take care of any engine and it will last a long time, but I would like to say an older nissan L series engine will most likely never need bottom end work.
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no doubt
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2/25/2005
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just backing you guys! of course your toy truck will last longer because you don't use the damn thing! how many times have you pulled anything, jumped it, worked out of it, or even been off the damn pavement? give me a break, they're all about eqaul it just depends how you treat your truck (or car).
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justin
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2/25/2005
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yep..to add to that when i turned 16 i wanted a jeep wrangler. my parents said no because they were sh^t. they wanted me to take my moms honda. i saved and bought my on jeep. never had a problem. had over 100k on it (i got it with 70) and my first prob came...do you know why? i ramped it too hard and shoved the front end into my engine, my dad was ignorant enough to blame the "unreliable jeep". cars don't usually just fall apart it's the way you treat them.
most people who buy foreign cars are cheap and boring therefore their car goes through nothing and lives a longer life.
most men who buy american trucks use them and therfore they wear quicker
most people who buy jeeps are obsessed with offroad, therefore the jeeps don't last long becuase you abuse them.
the myth arises from these simple ideas.
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Android287
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2/25/2005
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I understand your points. I drive a dakota myself like the rest of you, and 99.9% of the time our engines will last longer than a foreign engine. I do have a funny story though.
I work in Western Mass and know an older man who is in construction and is a farmer. He drives an 82 2wd toyota. Some one gave it to him with 157,000 miles on it for payment on a job that some one else couldn't afford. Well the truck now just passed 325,000 miles. He uses it as a daily driver and a work/farm truck. He beats the piss out of it. You wouldn't believe the things he hauls in it.
Yes my lug nuts have more torque than his engine does, but this thing just won't quit. My boss at work knows this guy pretty well. The two joke about the truck all the time and how that when my boss' nine year son old graduates from highschool that the truck will be all his.
Not trying to start a flame war here just wanted to share my funny story is all. Maybe its very odd trucks like these that have brought about the Urban Legend that All foreigh Engines last longer.
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deerridge
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2/25/2005
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One of my friends has a 1500 Ram, 1979 model with a 400 cu in engine, All Wheel Drive. That sucker has 450,000 miles on it and the engine never had anything but regular service. This is a farm truck folks, not a city driver. A big V-8 turning 1500 to 2000 Rpm takes half the wear of a little 4 cylinder doing 3000 to 4000 at the same speeds. You figure it out. I've had a bunch of four bangers Mazda's, Honda's, Toyota's even a 912 Porsche and none were worth keeping after a 100,000 miles. Of course the Porsche would get 32MPG running 80 with the air on. Wouldn't haul anything but ass.
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RICquad2000
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2/25/2005
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Have a Nissan with 250k, Ford with 310k, and a Dodge with 185k, none have ever had engine problems, transmissions... all 3 of them rebuilt, but no engine problems. I've never had an engine of ours poop out. Friends', yes because they don't do their maintenence, but for people who do, I've never seen a properly maintained engine go, foreign or domestic, therefore I've yet to see it shown that foreign would actually last longer.
Speaking of which, one thing I observe thats kinda funny is that young people my age that buy a vehicle and do all this rediculous and often semi expensive and for the most part cosmetic crap to it are the same ones who who complain about their engine doing this funky stuff all the time and drive most of their miles to and from the shop. Those are the people I hear complaining about engine problems. Maybe its because I went to high school with a considerable amount of white trash who saw neon lights as a priority over an oil change. lol
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Dan M
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2/25/2005
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My dad had a 72 chevy cheyenne 3 on the tree that he stopped driving only because the body rusted out. He just chose to get another truck (86 S-10) instead of finding a new body for the engine. He bought it brand new and drove it for around 17 years and 350k+ miles. You could see the road through the floor boards, the sides of the bed swayed and the cab was not much better than a convertible in the rain. He stopped driving about 5 years ago the S-10 for pretty much the same reason. It was a 6 speed manual with about 250k on it. The tail gate fell off and the bed rusted.
- Dan M
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rhino_rkw
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2/25/2005
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I am going to be honest, and probably make allot of you guys upset. I have an 04 dodge Dakota that I love, so please do not get me wrong. BUT, I also have a 1980 Toyota Pickup 4x4 20r engine with 350,000 (and then Some) miles on it 200,000 of those put on it by me. It has been well over 4 feet in the air towed a trailer with a sandrail and two Quads from Vegas to Oregon Many Many times. Been to the top of competion hill at Dumont Dunes more times then I can count, hunting you name it. And it is all stock. The only thing I have changed is the alternator. No joke I honestly can say I have beat the royal Pi$$ out of the truck I mean come on it only has 95hp so you know when I tow I am running about 5500 rpm in second gear the whole way. Sorry my dak will never do that. Of course it is no rocket hell it is barley a turtle, any thing can smoke it in the quarter mile, but it has never needed to be in the shop, unlike my Dad 96 chev pickup.
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Oh-Yea
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2/25/2005
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My brother and I had the cam cover off of his 175k mi. 92 Acura to replace a seal. The cams in this engine have no bearings, Now try that in your Chevy/Dodge/Ford.
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dak297
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2/25/2005
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i seen that toyota houling a acura down the interstate with rainbow stickers in both there windows doing 30mph in a 65mph zone!! so i felt bad had them pull over and i towed them both to safety!
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Oh-Yeah?
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2/25/2005
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Oh-yeah you need to take a look at a Dodge 2.2 4 cylinder's head. It too is OHC and has no cam bearings. These little motors typically last 200k also. They've been around since the late 70's.
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MythBuster
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2/25/2005
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I couldn’t agree more with you GraphiteDak.
To explain where this myth originated from about Japanese cars being better than domestics we’ll have to go back to the mid to late 70’s when American cars really were getting pretty bad when it came to quality. Detroit owned the vast majority of the auto market here and they (the big 3) basically felt that Americans had no other choice but to buy their cars and would continue buying them. Also, Detroit tended to ignore the energy crisis that was going on at that time and felt that most Americans still wanted big, rear drive cars.
Then came the 1980s. Imports mainly Japanese, started pouring into the country. The Japanese imports were of course small, with 4 cylinders, thus they were more fuel efficient, something many Americans wanted at that time. For the most part the imports were much better in quality. Not so much their engines, but just overall they had better fit and finish. This was not so much due to the imports being better engineered as it was that their factories and production process’s were newer. Detroit was still using its old pre-WWII production facilities and building cars much the same way they had since WWII. Meanwhile, the Japanese having lost most of their auto production factories during WWII were able to start fresh when the market came into full swing decades later.
That was 20 years ago. Domestic manufacturers have since built new factories and upgraded their production techniques to at least the same level and the imports, if not better. Domestics have pretty much closed the gap in quality. Most auto market annalists will agree with this. Many Americans to this day however still believe that imports last longer than domestics because of what happened 20 + years ago.
Getting back to engine longevity, I would match any domestic V-8 against a Japanese engine. Hell, the highest documented mileage engine ever recorded in North America is a 1963 Plymouth Fury slant 6, taxi cab with 2,609,698 km. It was still going till it was totaled in a collision with a truck.
Properly maintained domestic engines will overall outlast Japanese engines period. To doubters I say prove me wrong…show me a Japanese engine that is DOCUMENTED as holding record mileage. And not just some tall tale about somebody’s uncle’s brother in-law’s cousin that had a gazillion miles his Honda civic. Show me a documented million mile Japenese import.
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scott1981
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2/25/2005
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i bet they are scarfing down rice by the second while googling the hell out of the internet trying to find a million mile import. just that thought makes me laugh
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prowlrt
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2/25/2005
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This is straight from guiness world records.
Highest Car Mileage
A 1966 Volvo P-1800S owned by Irvin Gordon of East Patchogue, New York, USA, had covered in excess of 3,572,342 km (2,219,751 miles) by March 2004. The car is still driven on a daily basis and covers over 160,000 km (100,000 miles) per year, thanks in part to being driven to numerous car shows and events in Europe and the USA.
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/
Diehard DODGE man
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2/25/2005
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Qualify what an IMPORT is for us.
Dodge is a German truck built in the US.
Nissan is a Japanese truck built in the US.
Toyota is a Japanese truck built in the US.
To me the only guys driving REAL AMERICAN TRUCKS are the Ford and Chevy guys.
I think your statement is based on your racial hatred of foreign peoples, which is something most white Amerian males suffer from. You all hate "ethnics".
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2/25/2005
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I bet the forum censor will disagree but most white american males do hate anything that isn't "white".
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2/25/2005
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What about pink?
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HONDDODGE FAN
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2/25/2005
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GET THIS MY 2000 CIVIC SI HAS 80,000 AND I NEED TO REPLACE THE SEALS... MY 97 DAKOTA HAS 160,000 AND I HAD TO REPLACE THE GAS CAP..
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