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Terry
Dodge Dakota
8/12/2001
08:01:45
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A new Dak 2001 CC, 4.7, AWD/4x4, owner. Just curious to know if anyone has done a rear drum to disk conversion. If so, how difficult and of a job was this. I have priced the kits on the net and they are going for around $650. Wondering if this would be a worth while modification given the feedback I have read in the TSB/Recall forum. If any one has suggesetions or ideas I would appreciate it.
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
8/12/2001
11:33:48
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It realy is not worth it!!!! The front brakes provide 70% of your stopping power. It would be better to upgrade the cheap single piston slideing caliper design of the front. I am considering checking Brempo, Baer, and Willow wood to see if the make a nice 4 piston non-slideing setup that can be adapted to may 2001 QC 4x4. Remeber that rotors lock up easier then drums do and with the lght rear end you would propable end up with reduced brakeing. Drums also do a better job when you are towing. The fad less under satained moderate brakeing. Rotors are great but for the rear of a truck it takes a well designed brake system. Most of these rear rotor conversions require you to get a seperate adjustable combination valve/proportioning valve so you can re bias your sytem to prevent them from locking up. You also would have to contend with your ABS system. Is there a whl spd sensor and tone wheel that you must deal with? I do not think that any of the 2001 have had any brake related recalls. I think it has been 2000 Dak's and Durango's. Are these rear calipers non-slideing 2,4 or 6 piston calibers or are they old single piston slideing GM clipers? If I was going to upgrade my system it would be far better to upgrade the front calipers and rotors. I do not have ABS up front so it will require less work to kake it work right. All I need to do is make sure my master cylinder provides enough volume to provide full hydralic pressure to the new calipers. I hope this has helped.
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Terry
Dodge Dakota
8/12/2001
22:52:08
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Hey thanks for the info. I'll use that money else where like in an exhaust upgrade.
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Manuel
Dodge Dakota
8/13/2001
08:47:08
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Hey Sandman, I have a squealing problem. The pitch sounds like a fanbelt, but seems to be coming from the front brakes. I suspect it may be due to excessive brake dust build up on the rotors. I've had it into the dealership several times and concluded that my rotors were warped. A friend and I had those replaced, and it seemed to cure (or at least lessen) the problem, but its doind it again. Would a quality caliper from Brembo or Baer solve this? What is a non-sliding design?
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
8/13/2001
15:33:50
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Manuel Non-Slideing means that the calipers stay in a fixed location and when you apply the brakes pistons on both sides of caliper push pads into contact with the rotor. With slideing calipers you have one piston on one half of the caliper. When you apply the brakes that one piston pushs a pad against the rotor and the other half of the caliper with the other pad slides towards the rotor and presss against the rotor. Slider are very inconsistent and as they age you have to rebuild them alot.They tend to wear out pads alot quicker because they drag longer after pressure is released and pressure on pad is not evenly distributed. They are not very precise. I have never seen this set up on vechile as expensive as the QC. If you want performance and durability then non-slideing calipers with multiply pistons is the way to go. If you want cheap then sliders are the way to go.
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
8/13/2001
15:54:49
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sandman, you said "rotors lockup easier than drums" and you dont have front abs. well if you put on some brembo's with a 4 or 6 piston caliper, wouldent the disc's lock up even more?
ERic
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Manuel
Dodge Dakota
8/13/2001
19:51:36
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Thanks Sandman. You know your brakes. Well, maybe you can help me with this. Could you give me an educated guess as to what's causing the squealing I described above. I'm fairly sure its coming from the brakes. Keep in mind that I've replaced the pads and rotors in hopes of fixing this problem. While it did help at first, it cam right back. It seems to be an intermittent problem, although is very frequent.
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
8/14/2001
20:52:45
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I would make sure that your pads are not down to the wear indicator or rivets. I would then make sure that the anti squel shim or epoxy depending on what your vechile uses are installed correctly. I have never seen brake dust cause a squel. There may be a redesign for your pads to reduce noise. I see this alot with Cadilacs and especialy if they are useing AC/Delco pads. Finaly make sure that your pads are fully disengaugeing.
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
8/14/2001
21:08:02
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Kota on 20's the reason the rear drums lock up so easy is because of the weight transfere to the front under hard brakeing and the lack of any realy weight in the rear of the truck to begin with. They have to bias the brakeing system to be a good comprimise for towing at max capicity and driveing along empty. They use a variable porpostioning valve that atemptes to compensate for load but load compensation is not linear and their is a finate amount of variation available. This is why they install abs on the rear of the Dakota Quad Cab as standard equipment. Rotor clamp much quicker and harder then drums so they will always lock up quicker and harder. In a car or large SUV there is a more even weight distribution and they tend to have less weight transfere due to less nose dive. If you keep weight over the rear wheels you do not lock up as quickly with the same amount of clamping force. Try this! Secure 500 lbs of weight in the rear of you truck behind the rear axle get up to 60 and then do a panic stop. If you have abs just nail them; if you do not have abs then use thresh-hold breaking. Know unload the truck and do the same thing again. Do you feel how much easier the rear breaks are locking up. If you have rear abs you will notice alot of pulsateing when empty and very little while loaded. Hope this helps!!!
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
8/15/2001
02:53:35
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i know the rear will have less weight over the axle and will tend to lock up easy because of weight transfer to the front under hard breaking.
but you said the disks will lock up easier than drums and you should upgrade to bear or brembo's. will if this is so and the disks will lock up wont the brembo's cause them to lock up even faster?
Eric
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joe spinoso
Dodge Dakota
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9/21/2002
22:34:05
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Hello everyone. I have a 2001 dodge dakota Quad Cab 5.9. I hate the brakes the are already warped because I drive it like a sports car. I would like to put the Brmbo 6 piston caliper kit on the front and rear. What site sells them at a good price? Thanks for the help! You can email me at everlastn1@hotmail.com
Joe
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Michael
DakotaEnthusiast
9/21/2002
23:28:55
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I don't feel like typing this entire argument again, but the rear disc is by far one of the best upgrades in my opinion. Check out pics of my install at www.pbase.com/wiz473. And to check out the arguments search for rear disc conversions. As far as lockup that does not occur and for abs the rear disc are much better suited for the task. And the kit does not require another proportioning valve, only a modification to the distribution block a minor one at that. With the disc you have greater control during braking and shorter stopping distances. If you were close to where I live I'd take you for a test stop. (hehe)
Z-Tube, R/T Rims, SSB Rear Disc Conversion, Alpine Head-Unit, Infinity Kappa Speakers, SilverStar Headlights, HO Cams & Intake installed.
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Michael
DakotaEnthusiast
9/22/2002
21:15:20
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If drums are so great then why are all the newer vehicles coming equipped with rear discs.
Z-Tube, R/T Rims, SSB Rear Disc Conversion, Alpine Head-Unit, Infinity Kappa Speakers, SilverStar Headlights, HO Cams & Intake installed.
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handi2
GenIII
9/22/2002
21:47:05
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To help with squeeking disk brakes make sure that the sliders, pins, bolts w/bushings whatever you want to call then are very clean when reinstalled. Lubricate if needed. You can also apply silicone caulk to the back of the pads. Spread it on and let it set up.
Most of the squeeking is from the pads vibrating.
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Andrew Bayers
Dodge Dakota
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10/01/2003
00:52:18
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Hey, Will the RDC(rear disc conversion)kit for the 1991 dodge dakota fit the 1990 dakota??? please help if anyone else knows anything please email me at andy5053@aol.com thankx ASAP !!!!
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shaggy
Dodge Dakota
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12/22/2003
14:18:19
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I'm with Michael...new SUVs all come with 4 wheel disk...including the Durango!
If you lookup 2000 SUV comparisons the Durango and the Nissan Pathfinder are first and second in almost all categories until braking were Nissan is 1st and Durango is a distant 6th.
I have posted on this thread previously and sadly the poor braking resulted in a accident recently.
Now I am upgrading my braking system with rear disk. Is is worth looking into ABS for front...in other word converting from 2 to 4 wheel ABS???
shaggy
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shaggy
Dodge Dakota
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12/22/2003
14:33:01
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Has anyone tried the The Streetrod Manufacturing Co. Inc Rear Disk Upgrade kit???
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Price is better than the SSBC kit.
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CThomp
*GenIII*
12/22/2003
15:20:38
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Thats a hell of a price. I'm curious if anyone has it as well.
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michael
DakotaEnthusiast
12/23/2003
23:42:37
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Remember you get what you pay for. SSBC rebuilds the calipers with stainless parts. And by the way, my kit has still been the best upgrade for my truck. Still on the first set of front rotors from when I upgraded the rear. Due to the better distribution of brake force. No I'm not a salesman for SSBC, just really happy with it. They should send me some money as much as I promote them. Hope you read this SSBC!
Later,
Michael
Z-Tube, R/T Rims, SSB Rear Disc Conversion, Alpine Head-Unit, Infinity Kappa Speakers, SilverStar Headlights, HO Cams & Intake installed.
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rtdkota
R/T
12/24/2003
10:26:05
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I sell the SSBC conversions for $625 + shipping. If you add up the parts for the other brand, you are very close to the SSBC price.
Sam
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www.socaldakota.com
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