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jeremiah2360
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1/14/2005
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http://members.rennlist.com/oil/Motor%20Oil%20101.htm
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Jeff
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1/14/2005
22:49:37
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are we supposed to read ALL that??
lol
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Jeff
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jeremiah2360
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1/14/2005
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Well you have your reading glasses on anyway(roll eyes). It is a long read but is very informative. After reading I am considering running Mobil 0-20 in the winter, 0-30 in summer for max start up protection and flow.
03 qc 4.7 auto 4x4 46k
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u_fool_u
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1/15/2005
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Isn't it amazing how people believe anything and everything that is posted on the internet.
Is the internet the place of true wisdom? Is the internet the place with only 100% factual information? All free and available to those who perform a search function?
Man that is just some word document posted on a members only site.
Jerimiah. Man you are a fool.
And a DumbAssssssssssss
Hey! Wanna buy the brooklyn bridge? I read a post on the internet that it was for sale. Just do a search for the -- facts man. Get it! The facts?!?!?!?! Ha Ha fool.
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well
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1/15/2005
11:45:10
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At least he had something interesting to say.
'u-fool-u', go back to using your dino oil in your POS GEN1 RC long bed, nobody cares what you have to say.
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AmsoilSponsor
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1/15/2005
14:25:55
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Well, "u fool u" could have stated his case in a more friendly manner, but he does remind us to be careful when reading posts on the Internet. For the record, Amsoil has been in business for 30+ years with no FTC complaints, so I am comfortable with their literature, claims, analysis, comments, etc.
The writer (and therefore the owner) of the recommended article (link above) did make some factual comments:
"Let us compare mineral (a.k.a. crude, dino or NON-Synthetic) and synthetic oils. I will not talk about chemical but rather functional differences."
" ... mineral oils (a.k.a. dino or NON-Synthetic) are too thick at startup yet too thin when hot. The viscosity was corrected with the hot engine by adding VI improvers.
"Synthetic oils are derived in the laboratory. They are pure, usually nearly clear. I describe mineral based motor oils (a.k.a. crude, dino or NON-Synthetic) as a distilled, concentrated product. The impurities need to be removed from the raw petroleum. These (dino) oils are therefore less clean and contain many impurities."
People repeatedly say that synthetic oils are more stable in a hot engine. I hear that they lubricate better. The answer is yes and no. Oil molecules do not break down, just the additives. Generally, the synthetic oils do not have VI improvers so have less to lose.
There are some properties of synthetic oils that actually result is less wear than with mineral oils. These help increase your gas mileage as well. Due to a reduction of internal friction of the synthetic oil your engine will run a bit cooler. Wear increases as temperature increases, all other things being constant.
A main advantage that the synthetic has over the (NON-Synthetic) mineral based oil is the ability to lubricate at startup. Both types of oil have the same specifications at 104 F, 212 F and 302 F. It is the startup viscosity characteristics that separate these oils. Synthetic oils do not thicken as much on cooling. They have better fluidity as the temperature drops.
A synthetic oil that is labeled as 10W-30 is less honey like as a mineral based 10W-30 motor oil at startup. They both have a thickness of 10 at normal operating temperatures. At 75 F the synthetic is not as thick. At 32 F the difference between the two is even greater. At 0 F the mineral oil is useless yet the synthetic works fairly well. Just keep the RPM to a minimum.
At temperatures below zero you will not be able to start your car with mineral oils (a.k.a. crude or dino) while the synthetic oils may be used to -40 or - 50 F. Oils are so thick that the normal method of viscosity measurement is not possible. Instead we measure if the oil can even be pumped or poured. Again, we are only discussing a single category of oil, the multigrade 10W-30 API / SAE grade.
Motor oil becomes permanently thicker with exposure to northerly winter type weather. This is more of a problem to mineral based oils (a.k.a crude or dino). Waxes form. This is why it is a bad idea to even store a bottle of (dino) oil in a cold garage. It goes bad on the garage self just because it is exposed to the cold.
Since the synthetic oil thickens less on shutdown your startup will be easier and so will the stress on your engine. This is perhaps the best thing the synthetic class has over the mineral based (dino) oils.
As it turns out synthetic oils do cling to parts better as they have higher film strength than mineral oils. Synthetics are thinner overall. They have greater slipperiness. Yet they stick better to engine parts.
The synthetic lubricated engine will turn over easier. This has the effect of using less power from your starter motor. It will last longer. Your battery has less of a current draw. This will also last longer. The battery was discharged less during the start so the alternator will rob less power from your engine to recharge. The alternator lasts longer and you get a little better gas economy. ... signed by "aehaas"
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The above represents just a FEW of the many attributes of Synthetic Oils and Lubricants. Many have been posted by me on this site within different threads ... especially the thread:
Winter Preparation = Amsoil (Synthetic Oil) Protection!
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1/15/2005
14:52:33
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For confident winter starts, it is important to keep a watch on three critical areas: 1) the lubrication system, 2)the cooling system, 3) and the battery.
Check Your Motor Oil
It is important to check your motor oil levels on a regular basis. Without lubrication, friction between moving parts leads to engine wear.
But it is also important to think about the type of motor oil you are using.
For severe cold, there is a significant performance difference between SYNTHETIC MOTOR OIL and conventional mineral (dino) motor oil.
Cold weather is tough on engines because of the limitations of traditional, conventional mineral (dino) lubricants (NON-synthetic).
In cold temperatures, Motor Oils and Greases become thicker, thus ...
-- slowing starting rpm
-- restricting oil flow to critical engine parts
-- increasing wear on bearings and rings
-- decreasing engine life, and,
-- increasing the burden on an already overtaxed starting system.
For really cold weather, ONLY Synthetic Motor Oils and Lubricants offer the kind of performance that allows cars and trucks to start with ease.
Many synthetic motor oils still flow or pump at temperatures up to sixty and seventy below zero (-60F to -70F) ... and synthetics have a broader service range than traditional petroleum.
The admonition to check your motor oil is intended as a reminder to not only watch fluid levels, but to consider whether your motor oil is fulfilling its lubricating function in severe weather. No sense in being stranded on an isolated road because your engine couldn't turn over.
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KenD
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1/15/2005
21:55:18
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Very interesting oil info link. Yes, I read every word.
Requires what's known as a shift of paradigm to really understand the point the guy is trying to make in that article.
I think that's why u_fool_u didn't understand what he was reading. And all he did was criticise jeremiah2360 as being foolhardy, but didn't justify the claim, nor did he factually dispute the article in any way.
Every once in a while, a person comes along who has a different way of looking at things, such as the author of the article, and decides to try an experiment to test his theory. If his testing confirms his theories, and he makes the results public, such as the author of the article did, many times people are so accustomed to seeing things a certain way, they become unwilling to accept the new information, such as u_fool_u.
Jeremiah. If you do try it, let us know how it runs with that oil in it. I'm thinking of trying it too, at next oil change.
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karl
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1/17/2005
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thick is bad
thin is good
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