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Jeff
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1/06/2005
19:23:36
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my local dealer in so cal is charging
$17.67 per gallon + tax
for ATF+4.
just fyi.
Jeff
'99 3.9 clubcab
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DSW
Dodge Dakota
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1/06/2005
19:30:21
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That's better than $7+ per quart a couple of years ago.
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Joel
Dodge Dakota
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1/06/2005
19:51:35
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you can use amsoil synthetic ATF instead of +4
been running it for 70,000 miles now
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Jeff
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1/06/2005
20:50:57
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thats what i was thinking about. amsoil is only a few dollars more per gallon.
Jeff
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wakely
GenIII
1/06/2005
21:19:37
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I plan on changing mine over to Amsoil in the spring. Too cold to do it now (-15 degrees)!!!
I have 18,000 miles on my QC 4X4. I have all Amsoil changed except the trany. I put it in the power steering unit.
2004 QC 4X4 4.7L auto Sport
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DSW
Dodge Dakota
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1/07/2005
01:17:20
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I changed to Amsoil ATF in my old 00 CC when it had 80K, ran great for another 60K until I wrecked it. I had it in the P/S also, nothing but good things to say about Amsoil ATF. I am going to change my 03's ATF and P/S fluid over to Amsoil in the next few months since it worked so good on the 00. I think I am going to run this truck all Amsoil, oil, ATF, P/S, gear lube.
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1/07/2005
08:20:56
| ATF+4 - price at dealer Amsoil Amzoil Ams Oil
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If anyone would like to read more about Amsoil Synthetic Universal ATF you can request a FREE Amsoil catalog by clicking below. Thank You!
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BigBlueQC
GenIII
1/07/2005
12:43:54
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AMSOIL ATF in trans since 4,000 miles. now 120,000. Every 30,000 I dropped pan and changed filter. I could have re-used the approx 7 quarts that was drained out each time if I wanted to (already had analysis done before drain teliing me it was still good) but it is too hard to catch and put back in. That being said, at the 100,000 tran filter change, my mechanic said "and how many miles are on this and what do you ahve in here?? It still looks brand new in there" Was as pink/red as new, no burn smell, and it had already tested as almost new. The trans fluid has not been "flushed" since AMSOIL was put in, it's never needed it.
My point, the AMSOIL synthetic ATF is great stuff. I can't comment on any other brand that makes a synthetic ATF for our trucks as I haven't looked for any nor tried any.
2002 QC 4x4 Sport Plus, 4.7L, auto, Patriot Blue, Tire & Handling group,
Heavy Duty Service group, Leer cap w/out windows, Mopar Step bars and roof rack, Rhino liner in bed and on step bars, Pace Edwards Power Tailgate lock
3.55 rear, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes, all possible fluids are AMSOIL
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garwood
Dodge Dakota
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1/07/2005
13:45:50
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I have this guy that sells me sealed MOPAR ATF+4 gallon jugs for only $4 each. Seems to get it pretty regular. Bought 4 gallons, maybe I should get more!
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Dr. D
Dodge Dakota
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1/07/2005
21:29:34
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I use the AMSOIL ATF and would NOT consider anything else
even if it was only four dollars per gallon.
You get what you pay for.
Dr. D
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1/09/2005
11:08:30
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Chrysler has recommended over time Chrysler ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+3, and ATF+4. Chrysler ATF+4 is the latest version. Bottom Line ... Dodge realized that their transmissions were weak and they had to reformulate.
Chrysler went from ATF+ (MS 7176B) to ATF+4 in less than ten years. Essentially they were trying to make up for shifting problems in some of their transmissions by "tweaking" the frictional properties of their fluid rather than recalling the affected units. The ATF+4 fluid does seem to have solved the problems with some of the transmissions from the mid 1990's.
However, I know many Dodge owners that have noticeable and significant improvements switching to Amsoil Universal Synthetic ATF. They state that the transmission characteristics are better than when it was new.
Amsoil Synthetic Universal ATF is truely "Universal"
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Recommended for applications requiring the following specifications:
GM Dexron II, Dexron III; Ford Mercon, Mercon V; Chrysler ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+3, ATF+4; Mitsubishi Diamond SP II & III; Allison C-3 & C-4 and TES-295; Caterpillar Powershift Transmission TO-2 & TO-3; Voith Commercial Transmissions; GM Strasbourg (European Imports) and Opel; Applications requiring Honda Z-1 transmission fluids; Toyota Type T and T-IV
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Special Note: Amsoil did offer a Synthetic ATF specifically for ATF +3/+4 applications about 3-4 years ago. However once they were able to integrate this additive chemistry into their Dexron/Mercon formulation, they discontinued making this second fluid.
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JasonB
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2005
17:45:59
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The fluid changes were only a small part of the improvements made to the transmissions by DC. Engineering changes were made to most DC transmissions starting with the 1998 an 1999 year model vehicles accross the board. The fluid helped, but it was not a cure. BTW, I did switch my 1999 Dakota to the ATF+4 and have noticed improved shift quality and less debris in the pan when I do my service.
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DakotaEnthusiast
1/09/2005
19:51:00
| ATF+4 - price at dealer Amsoil Amzoil Ams Oil
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Well, I stand by my comments:
"... they (Dodge/Chrysler) were trying to make up for shifting problems in some of their transmissions by "tweaking" the frictional properties of their fluid rather than recalling the affected units."
The constant reformulation of D/C's ATF
was to avoid recalling existing transmissions.
Two family members of mine have owned three (3) Dodge/Chrysler Dealerships
for well over 30 years ... and my comments are from their mouths.
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JasonB
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1/09/2005
22:52:06
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RECALL? Come on Steve, you know there is no grounds for recalling the transmissions. They pose NO safety threat. Poor quality, design or engineering without a safety issue at stake would not make any automaker recall transmissions in this day and age. At worst, it's grounds for losing some business and/or being ridiculed in forums like this. ;-)
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DynamiteDAK
Dodge Dakota
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1/10/2005
19:09:12
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The transmission on my Dodge Ram had a recall on it and
according to the letter it "WAS" a safety issue.
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JasonB
Dodge Dakota
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1/13/2005
19:39:50
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DynamiteDAK
If that is the recall I remember, it was the one concerning a "quick disconnect", it really was not a transmission concern. It was an external transmission fluid line concern.
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DynamiteDAK
Dodge Dakota
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1/14/2005
07:22:09
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My recall affected the electronic module and the shift points that
the module controlled.
Transmission problems can become safety issues.
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mddak
Dodge Dakota
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1/14/2005
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any additional leakage from rear seal with synthetic oil - my rear seal is leaking now and it was replaced 30,000 miles ago
I'm thinking of putting syn in with new seal
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JasonB
Dodge Dakota
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1/14/2005
08:39:53
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DynamiteDAK
You have me curious. I just recently ended a 6 year career in a Dodge service department and don't remember the recall to which you refer. I DO remember multiple service bulletins, many of which are similar to what you describe and none of them for any saftey related failures. They were all for the purpose of improving or enhancing shift points and shift quality and none of them were for internal transmission failures.
There was one recall on early 90's Dakota auto transmission that was deemed a safety concern and involved something about a check valve.
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jeremiah2360
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1/14/2005
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mddak,I had the pinion seal go at 10k, replaced under warranty. Have 46k now and it`s still fine and have been running Amsoil Series 2000 75-90 since 8k. I don`t think it matters if its synthetic or not, but is a quality issue as pinion seal leaks are relatively common.
03 qc 4.7 auto 4x4 46k
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Duck
Dodge Dakota
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1/14/2005
14:47:52
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Just wanted to add- and correct me if I am off a bit: the +4 is a synthetic OPTION to the dodge spec 7176 atf. I don't have a manual for the 2000+ dakotas in front of me so I dont know if dodge now specs atf+4 for new ATX's. But older ATX's spec'ed for 7176 can be flushed and filled with +4 for those who want sythetic ATF. Thats all.
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