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Kaderdak
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12/21/2004
10:59:14
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 Subject: torque conv realignment on install
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Any of you guys out there who are good with automatic trannies please lend me a hand here.
I just took the tranny out of my truck, only to read in the manual afterwards (yeah, I'm an idiot) to mark the alignment of the torque converter with the flywheel. Obviously I forgot to do that and now I'm wondering 1. why does it need to be aligned in the same place upon reinstallation? 2. how do I do it now?
Any help would be greatly appreciated
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RadioMan
Dodge Dakota
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12/21/2004
11:06:22
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I'm not a expert when it comes to trannies but I
know that if you don't get the torque converter
back in correct, you'll bust the pump the second
you turn the engine over.
Better get some help, Kaderdak.
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vern
Dodge Dakota
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12/21/2004
12:19:11
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the alignment has to do with the flex plate,
with the convertor out of the trans try bolting it to the flex plate,[you may have to try several times before you get it right]when all 4 bolts go in, then the convertor is aligned,mark convertor and flex plate with paint or something that don,t wipe off
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99DAK
Dodge Dakota
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12/21/2004
17:50:33
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Vern are sure that the holes are not evenly spaced.?
When I replaced my convertor with a higher stall, it went right in the first time. Maybe I was lucky.
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Kaderdak
GenIII
12/21/2004
20:50:55
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Well, I'm 99.8% sure I got the converter back on right, hopefully I did the transgo kit right too, and my new front seal quits leaking. Suppose I'll find out in the morning when I get everything put back together. After all this work, if something isn't right I'm gonna drive the truck off a frickin' cliff!!!
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Mike S.
Dodge Dakota
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12/22/2004
05:48:37
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I've had my trans out several times, Just as Vern said marking the converter/flexplate position is just too help you get it aligned. I couldn't tell you how many times I got 2 or even 3 converter bolts in only too find the rest were not aligned. If you got all 4 bolts in It should be safe too say it's aligned properly.
Mike S.
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Kaderdak
GenIII
12/22/2004
22:34:19
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Sweet love!!!! Everything works fine and dandy. Can't say I was too impressed by the transgo kit, may take it back out and do some drilling. Otherwise, she runs just fine, hopefully my coverter doesn't blow up here in a few days :-)
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ha ha ha
Dodge Dakota
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12/23/2004
15:53:43
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you'll bust the pump the second
you turn the engine over.
WHAT?????? I have never heard of that . In reality it has to due with rotational balance anything else is just some clown that thinks he knows something but in reality is just a dumb dork.
"I'm not a expert when it comes to trannies "
then shut it up cuzz you are so VERY wrong.
and the holes ARE evenly spaced.
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turbostang
Dodge Dakota
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12/24/2004
21:48:20
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I think he was referring to not getting the converter fully seated in the pump..That will cause your pump to break on startup or boltup..
I put a transgo kit in my truck also (2002 5.9 QC 4x4).. This thing does shift pretty firm.. Even my converter locks up with much more authority.. Feels like a 5th gear..
The only problem I have with the shift kit is.. If you accelerate from a stop, and the tranny shifts from 1st to 2nd.. Then you let off the gas, it will clunk going into 3rd on coast down.. I called Transgo about the problem and they said I'll just have to live with it..When you firm up the shifts, that happens.. So I've learned to manipulate the gas to soften the hit in situations like that..
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Kaderdak
GenIII
12/25/2004
00:34:11
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Thanks for all the replies fellas, got the converter back on, all the way, and lined up with the flexplate. All is working well.
Unfortunately, I don't think I drilled to aggressive enough on the seperator plate when I was doing the transgo. My shifts don't feel a darn bit different. I did go to replace the spring in the 4th accelerator piston (whatever that is) to find the one that was in there was already broke into two pieces!?
Also, I adjusted the bands, but I'm not sure If I got it right. For some reason around 10 or 12 mph it feels like the tranny is trying to shift into 2nd, obviously way too early. It never catches but it sure feels like it's trying. Is this because of the bands or is something else not right? Also, If i'm manually in 1st it will drive through without doing it, but if I'm manually in 2nd I still feel the same lurch around 12 mph. This confuses me even more because the tranny shouldn't even be trying to shift, It's in 2nd, hands down. Any comments or suggestions would be great. Thanks.
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RadioMan
Dodge Dakota
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12/25/2004
07:57:17
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Hay ha ha ha at least I did admit not being a
tranny expert. I have heard the things really
screwing up if not installed right. I was only
trying to *help* Kaderdak ANY way I could.
What do we read from you. NOTHING BUT BULL CRAP!
GET A LIFE YOU ASS HOLE!
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Mike S.
Dodge Dakota
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12/26/2004
08:29:53
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Hey ha ha ha, if you believe that those holes are evenly spaced then you obviously haven't had a tranny out before. Trust me I've done the job more than a few times and they are NOT!
Kaderdak, I don't believe your problem is with the band adjustment but I'd start by readjusting the bands. If that doesn't fix the problem you may need to get back inside the tranny and drill the seperator plate deeper and double check all the instructions from the kit. I hate to say that but I've heard these kits aren't very forgiving if the instructions are not followed exactly.
Mike S.
91CC Carbed 390 w/nitrous(7.47@92.43 1/8th)
97cc 6er (little work horse)
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turbostang
Dodge Dakota
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12/27/2004
08:05:28
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I've installed a transgo kit that works great, and here is what I've found..
When adjusting the bands you need to do it by the factory manuals method.. They say to torque the bands to a specific "inch pound" torque wrench setting.. Then back off a specific amount of turns.. The Transgo instructions say to "snug" the band bolts, then back them off.. The difference in the two methods is "REAL BIG"..After I "snugged" the band bolt to what I "thought" was an appropriate degree of tightness.. I then put a inch pound torque wrench on it, and got several more turns out of the bolt before I achieved the factory recommended spec..
As far as your truck shifting too soon.. That is more than likely caused by your TV cable being mal-adjusted.. Mine did the same thing before I got it iron out.. One thing that I learned from talking to Transgo after my installed.. Is that the kit likes your TV cable to be slightly over adjusted..In other words..When adjusting the cable to align with your closed throttle, you want to extend the cable slightly pass the throttle linkage before locking it down.. When I say slightly, I mean like 1/8 of an inch.. The adjustment is sensative..
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Kaderdak
GenIII
12/27/2004
16:01:27
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Thanks for the suggestions fellas, that gives me something to work with. I took it to a tranny shop here in town to get their opinion and I asked the guy about band adjustments. When I told him I tried to adjust to factory torque specs and then back off, he just laughed. He said they do every transmission, no what kind it is, to just snug then back it off 1 1/2 to 2 turns. This seems kind of lame to me, I'd imagine a factory torque spec would be a much better way of going about it.
Just out of curiousity my manual suggests that after tightening to back the bolt out a certain number of turns depending on what transmission it is? I'm fairly certain I've got a 44RE (but not positive). Anyone think it might be something else? It's a '97 4x4, 5.2, 3.55 gears. It would definitely make a difference on my bands if the tranny is not a 44RE.
I'll try the TV cable too, but I need to take the valve body back out to do a little more drilling, so it may be a few days. Thanks again for all you help, any more suggestions would be great.
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