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mrgl02
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12/09/2004
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Just minutes ago on the CBS Evening News. The government has asked Daimler Chrysler for a recall of 600,000 vehicles.
Daimler Chrysler says they will respond by Monday.
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rob25
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12/09/2004
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What years of dakota got recalled and was it a certain model. Sport,r/t,slt,ect. I ask cause i have a 00 R/T that tends to pop when i make a sharp turn. I hope mine is recalled so they will replace them for free i think they needed to be replaced anyway.
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tom
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12/09/2004
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rob, did you read his message??
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DSW
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12/09/2004
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Copy-n-Paste, Here ya go
(CBS) Two of the most popular vehicles on the road could be dangerous, and now the government orders many of them recalled, reports b>CBS News Correspondent Mika Brzezinski.
Six hundred thousand popular vehicles could be recalled if DaimlerChrysler complies with the government's demand.
The recall order covers model years 2000 to 2003 of the 4x4 Dodge Durangos and the Dakota pick-up trucks with four-wheel drive.
So my question is, what happened to the 2 wheel drive Dakakotas and Durangos, they have crappy ball joints also.
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03kota
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12/09/2004
19:37:25
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i would think that they would go ahead and recall both 2WD and 4WD models if they're going to do a recall. they might as well, because everyone that owns either vehicle is going to get it checked or be concerned regardless of the 2WD or 4WD model. bad publicity for DC, but maybe they'll stop being cheap. oh well, we'll find out monday.
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mrgl02
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12/09/2004
19:41:19
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I would guess that they've seen a higher (possibly a substantially higher?) rate of failure on 4x4's. They can and will expand it if is determined to be necessary. I would bet that they will continue to monitor complants and failures of 2wd models also.
The Government has already hit Daimler Chrysler with a big request here. Lets see how DC responds with what they've already been slapped with, the response is supposed to be by Monday.
This should be veeery interesting...
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mrgl02
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12/09/2004
19:45:03
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Here's the complete transcript of tonight's report on the CBS Evening News:
"Two of the most popular vehicles on the road could be dangerous, and now the government orders many of them recalled, reports CBS News Correspondent Mika Brzezinski.
Six hundred thousand popular vehicles could be recalled if DaimlerChrysler complies with the government's demand.
The recall order covers model years 2000 to 2003 of the 4x4 Dodge Durangos and the Dakota pick-up trucks with four-wheel drive.
The government action highlights a problem first uncovered by CBS News more than a year ago.
"Unfortunately, it could have been a really deadly situation," Monique Conrad, a former Dodge Durango owner, told Brzezinski
Back then, Monique Conrad's 2000 Durango had only 31,000 miles on it when the right front wheel suddenly flew off while she was driving.
"My tire, along with a piece of metal about a foot long, was bouncing across this four-lane road," Conrad said.
Her experience along with similar complaints prompted the government to investigate possible premature wear of Dodge Durango upper ball joints — a ball and socket attaching the wheel assembly the vehicle.
Since our first report, CBS News received hundreds of e-mails, photos and calls from viewers around the country like Kate McGeehan-Sawyer from Maine.
"The wheel just flew out," McGeehan-Sawyer said.
Tina Czech, from Massachusetts, experienced a similar road trauma: "The wheel had completely fallen off," she said.
And Joyce and John Gosch, truck owners from Pennsylvania, pointed to the damage: "This just ripped off," John Gosch said.
As the complaints piled up, the government expanded its investigation to include the Dodge Dakota pick-up truck, which uses the same upper ball joints. Dakota owner John Cohron, said his truck looked the same as many others with similar tire trouble, after his wheel flew off.
"So you got out of your truck and what did you see?" Cohron said. "I saw the tire and the wheel underneath the front end of the truck."
According the government, a third of the nearly 2 million vehicles investigated had defective upper ball joints. And almost all were produced at an Indiana plant. Customers paid up to $1,200 dollars to replace these parts — a recall could mean a huge financial hit for DaimlerChrysler.
"The cost is certainly going to run into hundreds of millions of dollars," said Clarence Ditlow, from the Center for Auto Safety.
DaimlerChrysler also faces mounting lawsuits like the one filed by David and Christina Shaffer. They were on the highway in their Durango with their four young children when suddenly they experienced a shock of their life.
"It seemed like we went into a frenzy of flipping," David Shaffer said.
Bodies went flying everywhere. Christina — who was pregnant at the time — suffered numerous injuries including a broken neck. Doctors were not optimistic.
About the baby, David Shaffer said, "there was no certainty. You know they actually came to me and recommended to me to take the baby's life."
Medical bills forced the family into bankruptcy. And while they consider their new baby girl a miracle, the Shaffers say they wish DaimlerChrysler had acted sooner.
"It could have been our whole family gone," Christina Shaffer said.
In a statement issued late Thursday, DaimlerChrysler maintained that the upper ball joints do not pose a safety concern and that owners have substantial warning of any problems — like noise or tire wear that would be picked up during routine inspections.
The company says it is reviewing the governments order for a recall and will respond next Monday."
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Jimmer
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12/09/2004
19:51:40
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Here it is again guys! Get on the bandwagon! If you have ever replaced or are in need of replacing your balljoints file a complaint with the NHTSA!!!!
Do it!!
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Lets get the ball rolling here. Anyone that has replaced their ball joints needs to file a complaint with NHTSA. Lets pummel them with incident reports.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
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Heavyweight
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12/09/2004
20:08:24
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We will get Ball---Joints from these idiots finally...
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CJ
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12/09/2004
20:49:41
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Wow i kinda feel jipped... Yet am very happy about this... but I have a quick question here... it says 2000-2003 daks and durangos... I just replaced ALL FOUR balljoints because they were horrible, and spent all my money on thsi repair ( I am 19) and had to take a freakin loan on it. This is the thing. I have a 1999 4x4. Does this mean if they do a recall my dak wont be under the coverage? They all have the same problem, so I don't get it, and I'd love to get my money back somewhat or anything... thanks guysWow i kinda feel jipped... Yet am very happy about this... but I have a quick question here... it says 2000-2003 daks and durangos... I just replaced ALL FOUR balljoints because they were horrible, and spent all my money on thsi repair ( I am 19) and had to take a freakin loan on it. This is the thing. I have a 1999 4x4. Does this mean if they do a recall my dak wont be under the coverage? They all have the same problem, so I don't get it, and I'd love to get my money back somewhat or anything... thanks guys.. and good luck to you 2x4 guys w/ this as well.
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modain
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12/09/2004
21:08:12
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Those of use with 4x2s are getting cheated. Both vehicles in the 4x4 and 4x2 configuration use the same top BJ, and that's the one that is bad. Who has to die with a 4x2 before the NTHSA and DC wake up and realize the problem is more extensive than they have admitted so far?
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Jimmer
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12/09/2004
21:42:45
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File the reports!!!!!!!!
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
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cj
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12/09/2004
22:32:37
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You think they'll accept 99's?
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Dr. D
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12/09/2004
22:44:44
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I also own a Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins Turbo Diesel and the
ball joints on it went at 70,000 miles also.
ALL Dodge products from about 1998 and up have sh!tty ball
joints.
Dr. D
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Crums
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12/09/2004
22:45:46
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Great... there goes the resale value of our trucks... no one would want to buy them now!!!!
Can I get a Quarter over here...... how about a dime?
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qpg
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12/09/2004
23:20:26
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Here is the whole web sight from the news cast for you all.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/09/eveningnews/main660217.shtml.
CJ follow Jimmys, link and file it. Mines a 1999 too, why leave the 1998-99's and 4X2, out of the picture we are all in the same boat. My right one already went 700 miles away from home.
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12/09/2004
23:59:42
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I, am happy that DCX has to pay to replace the ball joints. You also have to know that DCX did not manufacture the ball joints, a company by the name of TRW did. They also make the key fobs that you use to open your trucks and the heater controls you use to keep the cab comfortable among many other things. They also supply these same products to many other car makers. Yes, the ball joints suck on dakotas and durangos, but they also fail on other less popular cars too. Why don't they have recalls on these vehicles? Recalls always depend on the amount of lawsuits filed. Low number of lawsuits, no recall. The lawsuits that are filed also result in the many problems that we bitch about, such as tire pressure monitors on newer cars. Tire pressure monitors are federally mandated to be on all cars by a certain year (I think 2007) and are due to the firestone/ford fiasco. I believe in recalls when the manufacturer is at-fault when they throw away saftey for $$, but what company doesn't. It is all touch and go, they all teeter on the edge of criminally negligent for better profits while the normal person has to deal with the effects. They consume the profits while the cars are on the road. When people start dying they start thinking of ways to "save face" by issuing "friendly" recall notices to the customers. What the customers don't know is that when they take their vehicle to the shop, the tech that performs the recall is being grossly underpaid because it is, in fact, a recall. Dealer techs (among others) are paid a flat rate to perform the job at hand. If your ball joints need to be replaced and DCX says it takes .4 of an hour, that is all the tech gets paid (.4 hours of his hourly wage no matter how long it takes)! Believe me, these times are grossly underestimated by the manufacturer and the techs refuse to lose money on them and find any way they can to shortcut it. So, HOW SAFE DO YOU FEEL NOW? I am just posting this because I am sick of dealing with the car maker's crap and think that everyone should know how they treat the people that actually perform the recalls. Whould you feel safe flying in an aircraft maintained by a tech that was paid this way?? Thanks for reading and sorry for the long post.
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12/10/2004
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For the record ...
Feds urge recall of 600,000 Dodge trucks
From Jennifer Westhoven -- CNN
Friday, December 10, 2004 Posted: 5:12 AM EST (1012 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Federal safety regulators Thursday demanded that DaimlerChrysler recall up to 600,000 vehicles from two of the most popular lines on the road, the 4x4 Dodge Durango and the four-wheel drive Dodge Dakota pickup, due to problems with front-end ball joints.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's recommended recall covers Durangos and Dakotas built from 2000 to 2003, a spokesman confirmed.
CBS News has reported that some Durango drivers were put in dangerous driving situations when ball joints failed.
Ball joints are part of an automobile's front-end suspension system, attaching the trucks' wheel assemblies to the vehicle. CBS reported that NHTSA found defective ball joints in nearly a third of the vehicles it investigated, and almost all were made at a plant in Indiana.
Recalls are very expensive for car companies, and the costs could rise if DaimlerChrysler is hit with lawsuits as a result of the vehicle problems. The company has until Monday to respond to the government's recall request.
An NHTSA spokesman said that some companies do not comply with its requests for recalls. If that is the case, he said, the agency would fight for a recall.
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tractorfix
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12/10/2004
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I notice 04 is not listed. Do 04's use different Joints or have 04 complaints not piled up enough yet? The new style Durango would mean that for 04 only the Dakota would be affected and it might take longer for complaints to pile up.
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RadioMan
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12/10/2004
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I sure hope there is a recall. I just had the left
upper replaced Tuesday the 7th. I can't believe
the third degree I went through to convince them
I knew it was a ball joint problem. They kept
asking me "how do YOU know it's the upper left
ball joint?" I finally told them, "I grew up
repairing my own cars and trucks BEFORE you guys
stopped sucking the nipple. I know a bad ball
joint when I feel it in the steering wheel and
raise the truck and feel the play. This is what
happends when some STUPID ENGINEER trying to save
a company a buck comes up with a idea not to
install grease fittings. SO FIX IT!!"
It's just too damn bad you have to talk like that
to stealerships. I can't believe they WANT to
stick up for a company that could care LESS
about safety.
With all the ball joints they have replaced
under warranty, I sure hope DC got rid of that
real smart ass engineer. But I would not be a bit
supprised if he got a promotion!
Just my 2 cents worth guys. I just had to vent
it out... Seasons Greetings!
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Chris
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12/10/2004
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Well this stinks... I have a '99 Dakota.
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