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Dan M
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11/20/2004
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I've posted several times in the past about my 95 CC 3.9 auto. It has 145k miles, runs as good as it ever has except it shakes while idling (cold or hot engine) and in any gear. Also, I'm getting worse than expected gas milage (12-14 and I used to get 14 in 4x4 in snow, 18-20 city, up to 25 highway). I've taken it to several places, everytime the computer diag tests show no problems and noone has offered me any suggestions except a new engine.
I took it to another shop today. The guy said it sounds like I have lifters that are sticking. He suggested I change the oil 1 quart low and put in a quart of transmission fluid. Drive for 500-1000 miles and change it and fill it up with all oil. This should help clean them and wouldn't do any harm. He said that's the cheapest / easiet thing to do. He's being very serious, i originally talked to him about costs for new engine.
Thoughts?
- Dan M
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JasonB
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11/20/2004
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Transmission fluid has fantastic cleaning properties. Putting transmission fluid in an engine for cleaning purposes is not a new idea. It is totally safe, assuming there is no excess engine build up that breaks loose and lodges within the bearing tolerances. You can even leave it in there throughout the complete oil change interval. The only reason to consider draining it after 500 or 1000 miles is in the event of excessive build up as described above.
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Tony
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11/20/2004
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Having rebuilt engines with several oldtimers, the general
consensus was to drain ALL the oil out. Fill up with ATF
(DextronIII was a popular flavor) & run a while. Usually
the time it takes to run a dozen miles to get an accurate
reading on auto tranny fluid levels was our yardstick.
Depending on how severe a case. Sometimes drive around town
for the weekend, put a 100 or so miles on it.
Mixing ATF with oil is new to me. For the price of ATF, we
dumped all the old oil out & put fresh ATF in the crank.
ALSO, changed the oil filter when adding ATF. The ATF can
clean out enough gunk to clog the filter, another reason why
putting 3,000 miles on the stuff was frowned upon. Again
YMMV.
After dumping the ATF & putting in fresh dino oil, replace
oil filter. Cheap insurance.-
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DAHEMIKOTA
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11/20/2004
16:25:38
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When at Chrysler Engineering we would put trans fluid in an engine to accelerate the wear on the cam,lifters and crank bearings.In other words we used it to destroy the engine. I wouldn't drive it at all with trans fluid in it. Just get it to running temp for a while,then drain it while it's hot. Put engine oil in it,run it again till it's hot and change the oil and filter again.
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Dan M
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11/20/2004
18:39:17
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Thanks for the information. What I'll do is run with 1 quart of transmission fluid for around 500 miles then drain and fill with all oil. Then drive another 500 and change again. Of course I'll change the filter every time too. Then I'll be back to changes every 3000 miles. hopefully this is what I need instead of a new engine.
Dan M
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peedee
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11/21/2004
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Iused to use Marvel Mystery oil for that purpose. I was a good top-end cleaner. I also used Rislone that was great stuff too. And yes, watch the oil pressure and change the filter a couple times during the run of the oil.
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Knucklehead
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11/21/2004
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I used a quart of transmission fluid during an oil change to free the sticky lifters in a Mazda pickup I had a couple of years ago. It worked really well.
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garwood
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11/21/2004
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I've used a Dexron mix and Marvel mystery oil on occasion in several vehicles. I buy repos and oil changes are the last thing to do when you can't make car payments. Allways managed to get another 100K out of these vehicles. While the oil in MMO is good, it is also about 40% stoddard solvent. Great for cleaning. If you are comfortable wit that, great. I only buy MMO at garage sales when it is cheap. Otherwise I don't have a problem pouring a little parts cleaner, or kero in too. Even if you consider the extra wear in 200 miles is the same as five thousand, that is pretty insignifigant. Had a 89 Jeep with a clogged crankcase vent. Cut open the oil filter and 1/3 was blocked with these tiny black sludge crystals. Ran some MMO, kero and tranny fluid in the same old oil for 100 miles. Then I drained the oil through a fine filter screen. A couple bits of gasket material was found but none of these sludge particles. There are dangers with any cleaner clogging pickup screens and return passages. Use in moderation.
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daddio
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11/21/2004
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GUNK used to make or still makes an engine cleaner especially for this purpose. 1 qt w/oil & run for about 15 minutes @ normal operating temp. then drain, drop the pan, clean the pick up screen and put back together. worked great even on really nasty engines.
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Dan M
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11/22/2004
09:13:34
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A few things I found out over the weekend.
At least 1 wal-mart near me seels MMO, it's $1 and something a quart. Not too expensive. It's now owned by turtle wax.
bilstein has a system, R-2000, which is for flushing the engine. http://www.redwoodgeneral.com/flush.htm.
I did see this advertised at pepboys, I am planning on checking this out some more this week. I think they listed it for around $90. Anyone used this? familar with it?
- Dan M
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JM_in_TX
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11/22/2004
13:37:12
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Another good cleaner , especially for the top end is Seafoam. You can get it at just about any Autozone or O'Reilly's.
John
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11/22/2004
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The problem with "Shade Tree Mechanic" tricks and QUICK FIX (i.e. abrasive cleaners and flushes) is that the 10 or 15 minute flush products are thin solvents that may loosen big hunks of crud ... but not fully dissolve them. If these loose bits of crud then move around and plug an oil passage, you get the priviledge of writing checks to fix your engine ... you may not notice the negative effects immediately ... but you will eventually.
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I recommend www.Auto-Rx.com
I have recommended it multiple times on this site.
IMHO, it is the best flush on the market.
Auto-RX is inert in your oil,it does not negatively affect any aspect of your host oil except to clean and disburse crud to the oil filter. There are no negatives associated with it's use. Auto-RX was developed as an alternative to solvents for a slower non-hazardous alternative that does not deplete, but ends up disbursing the crud in a very small form ... small enough to flow by bearings etc.
If anyone decides to use this Auto-RX product (For the record ... I do not sell it) FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS RELIGIOUSLY. I wish that I sold it ... but it is a proprietary product.
I also recommend this product when SWITCHING a "higher-mileage" vehicle from dino to synthetic, and for SLUDGE PROBLEMS.
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After you flush please consider Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oil. You can Request a FREE Amsoil Catalog by clicking the following link. Thank You!
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
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11/22/2004
14:23:31
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I've used Marvel Mystery Oil before as well and it works great. I also dump some of it in my gas about once every few months to clean the injectors. Always get a couple MPG better when the MMO is in the gas and the next few tankas afterwards.
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T-Man
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11/22/2004
15:05:54
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Is it too much to ask to have a post without any goddamn ads???
I want to see how others fixed their problem, not some corporate garbage saying buy their product 'cause you can't trust anyone who fixes their car!
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11/22/2004
15:40:40
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There was NO AD ...
I merely posted a link with a brief description.
I have NO AFFILIATION with the link I posted.
It was posted to offer assistance.
Per my earlier post, I DO NOT SELL AUTO-RX.
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11/22/2004
15:50:47
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Regarding MMO, Marvel Mystery Oil
Marvel Mystery Oil contains solvents in a mineral carrier. Many of these solvents are lighter fractions of petroleum, and will thin-out your engine oil.
You are going to have, as a result, a thinner motor oil and a modified additive chemistry that may be harmful.
Almost every oil company states in their technical sheets not to add aftermarket additives and there is good reason - aftermarket additives change the "delicate balance" of additve chemistry.
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The problem with all of this type of "shade tree" mechanic work, is that the people who practice these things think that if the motor just starts and runs afterwards, then the nonsensical thing that they just did was "safe".
For instance, if their camshaft goes flat a few months down the road -- because they ran it with insufficent lubricity or film strength -- they will never connect it to their "shade tree" antics. Not to mention all the harm done by multiple people taking an anectdotal story (which may not even be true), from what may be a special case scenario, and extrapolating that it will work for all cars and circumstances.
Maybe these gimicks worked in your grandfathers engine, but engines are too sophisticated to gamble with today.
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T-Man
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11/23/2004
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I am sorry but I am a dumb C U N T and made a STUPID post
without using my BRAIN.
Please forgive me for being such a dumb C U N T.
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dakotaowner01
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11/23/2004
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T Man you got some issues. Auto-rx is an awesome product. Do a search for auto-rx threads I posted a link to a guys web site where he reconditioned an engine taking it apart and snaping pictures every step of the way. It has about 50 pics at every step of the cleaning and it is very impresive results.
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RadioMan
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11/23/2004
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There use to be (maybe still is) a product called
Reslone (spelling may be wrong) that was just for
lifters. It came on quarts.
I had a 75 Dodge van with the 318. It always had
one lifter that was "clicking" untill I put the
Reslone in. I ended up using it with every oil
change.
Can anyone tell me if it's still on the Market?
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T-Man
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11/23/2004
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I am sorry but I am a dumb C U N T and made a STUPID post
without using my BRAIN.
Please forgive me for being such a dumb C U N T.
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T-Man
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I am sorry but I am a dumb C U N T and made a STUPID post
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