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samtheman
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8/09/2004
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DC has spent a gazillion dollars promoting the hemi. There are probably thousands of truck buyers buying the Rams because of the hemi. The profit on a Ram is greater than on a Dak. If they were to offer the hemi in the Daks, they would have thousands of potential Ram buyers jump ship and buy a Dak to save a few thousand.
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Martin
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8/09/2004
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I doubt that man most people want full sized pickups.
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Roger
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8/10/2004
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I heard that the "new" hemi is really not a hemi at all. Something to do with the manifold. Can anyone verify or denounce this?
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RadioMan
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8/10/2004
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I had a Hemi in a 55 Dodge Custom Royal Lanser.
It was a 392 and dual point dist from the factory.
It ate up tires and lots and lots of gas! Gas was
35 cents a gallon then. With todays gas prices I
can't see why someone would even want a Hemi.
The 5.7 eats more gas than the old 5.9! And
that's if you don't put your foot in it!
Call me old but after owning over 40 different
kinds of cars and trucks (so far) in my lifetime,
straight six bangers are still king! Not for
speed but for gas mileage and longer lasting.
Just my thoughts guys...
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dakondubbz
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8/10/2004
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the new hemi isn't a true hemi cuz its not hemispherical
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Roger
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8/10/2004
17:35:04
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Thanks dubbz.
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actually
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8/10/2004
18:55:26
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it is "more" of a hemi then the old big block hemi's were as the heads are more "hemi" shaped then the old ones were, as per Hot Rod Magazine.
As far as the "manifold" being related to a Hemi----- no way does an intake or exhaust manifold have anything to do with it, it is all about the internal shape of the conbustion chamber.
there are rumors floating around the Toledo Jeep Assembly plant that the Hemi will be available late in the 05 or early 06 Daks.
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Ken
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8/10/2004
20:56:08
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Either it's a HEMI or it's not, here's what HEMI means:
In a HEMI engine, the top of the combustion chamber is hemispherical. The combustion area in the head is shaped like half of a sphere. An engine like this is said to have "hemispherical heads." In a HEMI head, the spark plug is normally located at the top of the combustion chamber, and the valves open on opposite sides of the combustion chamber.
Most cars prior to the 1950s used what was known as a flat head, and many lawn mower engines still use the flathead design today because it is less expensive to manufacture. In a flathead engine, the valves are in the block, rather than in the head, and they open in a chamber beside the piston.
Now, the guys that say it's not a true HEMI, well, couple of reasons. One of the ones I've heard is because it doesn't make as much HP (like the 426 HEMI). The HEMI design, at that time, was more efficient of using any untapped power. However, 4 valves/cylinder designs have proven to be more efficient now, and you cannot really do 4 valves/cylinder on a HEMI engine..
Go here for more information: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/hemi1.htm
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04SXT
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8/10/2004
22:46:48
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Kens right. The Hemi got its name from the shape of the combustion chamber. Its an efficiant and powerfull design. Most modern cars have hemispherical shaped combustion chambers. The new Hemi, in my opinion, is more marketing and a link to the good old days of Dodge. I still want one though.....
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gen1dak
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8/10/2004
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4-valves are more readily used in a flattened hemi shape, so it's more pent-roof, not perfectly round. The name "Hemi" has nothing to do with how much HP it makes, though a Hemi design offers tremendous HP potential. Hemi simply means half, as in Hemispere....half a sphere. The key to the Hemi is the layout of the valves.... in an opposing position, instead of side-by-side. This allows the mix to come in one side, and go out the other, nearly a straight path. The "new Hemi" retains this layout, so in that sense, it is a Hemi. It is said to not be a "true Hemi" since the areas in the cylinder head that were formerly open, are now filled, thus providing dual quench areas. So, in that sense, it's not a Hemi, as they were in the past. This comes down to a difference between purists and non-purists. The whole point in having the Hemi-style head, is to gain the breathing ability in a Hemi valvetrain. The new Hemi retains this ability, so at worst, it should be seen as a "New Age Hemi." Maybe we could call it the Hemi-X. Consider this point. The tire. From the first weenies on the first cars, through to bias-ply tires, on into the introduction of the radial tire in the 70's. The design changed, but the function remained. Is it not still a tire? Then by the same note, with better combustion chambers, would it not still be a Hemi? Consider this. Before Mopar began incorporating swirl port heads on the LA smallblocks in the 80's, there were aftermarket pistons available that did the same thing. In other words, the flat-top piston face was replaced by a shape that filled in the open chambers of the heads and induced a swirl of the mixture as the piston approached top dead center, essentially doing the same thing as the swirl port heads did later on. (Read about them in a 340 buildup from the early 80's). So, just as domed pistons are used in older Hemi designs to increase compression, how about a piston that filled in the open parts of the , say, 426 Hemi chamber. Would it still be a Hemi? Of course it would. By filling in the sides from the head side, and not the piston, you keep piston weight down, and accomplish the same thing.
Oh, and the reason the Hemi isn't available in every vehicle DC sells is because there aren't enough of them to go around. You don't bet the farm on a new engine all at once. You phase it in. The biggest and best packages get the new "special" engine. Later, the other units get it. However, it appears the demand has been greater than anticipated. Crate Hemi engines have been rare as cheap gas. No point offering an engine if you can't produce enough to go around, so it won't happen til the bottleneck has been addressed.
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Martin
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8/10/2004
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Radioman the old 5.9 gets worse mpg then the new Hemi haven't you read anything about the new engine. And Ken aren't most 4 valve heads a hemi they got the half a sphere shape with the spark plug in the middle? Well think the hemi is more then a marketing ploy 345 hp and 345 ci is pretty impressive for a pickup engine and is the same as the gen I Hemi's with there 1hp per ci.
Have you guy been hearing about the 6.1 version of the hemi coming out? 425 hp it will replace the V10's in the rams and be put in the 300C's to make a SRT-8 version of them. Can you emagine that engine in a dakota? I drove a 300C this weekend at Chrysler headquarters in detroit they had a little festivel type thing and wow that is one fun fast car with the Hemi and it handles great.
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Martin
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8/10/2004
23:54:54
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Oh thanks GenIdak you covered everything better then i did. Hopfully they understand now.
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Ken
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8/11/2004
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Yes, I've heard of the 6.1 HEMI, making between 420 and 430 HP, and 390 TQ. It's suppose to actually Debut in the Charger SRT-8 (or R/T?) in February at the Daytona 500, then they'll make it available for purchase the next month, going to full production in Summer 2005:
http://www.allpar.com/cars/lx/dodge-charger.html
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Anthony
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8/11/2004
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The Hemi WILL NOT be offered in the new 05+ Dakotas, reasons being DC tried to stuff it under the hood. But it wouldn't fit, without needed modification to the engine bay.
This is straight from the horse's mouth!!
It's cheaper to make the new Hemi motor than it is the 4.7 motor. So if Dodge could fit the hemi in the new Dakota, they would. It would cost them less and make more money at the same time.
Anthony
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Mr. Ed
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8/11/2004
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It will fit.
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Eric N.
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LOL! "It will fit".
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Ken
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8/12/2004
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Giving an infinite number of dollas, infinite number of Monkeys, anything is possible :)
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BigBlueQC
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8/12/2004
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Anthony, so I guess the fact that it looks like the redesigned Durango means nothing. THe new Durango has the HEMI. Just wanted clarification. thanks
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Mr. Ed
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8/12/2004
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He can't clarify.
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Anthony
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BigBlue,
No sh!t the Durango and the new Dakota look the same. I got the info from an automotive journalist that contacted DC regarding fitment of the hemi in the Dakota. Anything is possible but Dodge is not willing to go the extra mile.
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dontbuyit
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8/12/2004
23:11:12
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We want more evidence than some "journalist" said so. I am sure I can find one that will say it will fit.
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