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herb
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Deciding what oil to put in your car used to be as simple as ordering an after-dinner drink in Dublin. You'd buy a quart of 10W-30 as reflexively as I'd order a glass of Jameson's whiskey.
OIL DESIGNATIONS
The numbers following an oil's name -- 10W-30, for example -- indicate how viscous, or thick, the oil is.
The first number, 10 in this case, shows how viscous the oil is at low temperatures. The second, 30, is its viscosity at high temperatures. The W means "winter."
Both numbers are important. Oil must flow freely at low temperatures for lubrication when the engine first starts and during the winter. But the oil must also flow at high temperatures, such as when the engine has been running for a long time.
Today, topping up your crankcase is more like watching my friend Deb order a martini: Bombay gin -- Sapphire if you have it -- a hint of vermouth, a dash of olive juice and bleu cheese instead of a pimento in the olive -- no, make that two olives on a skewer.
Oil companies advertise a bewildering variety of oils they say were painstakingly developed for specific vehicles. Whether you drive an SUV, a car with a lot of miles on it, or a sports car, they claim to have the one and only oil that's right for it.
It's enough to drive a person to drink, and it's a waste of money, according to a variety of experts.
"They're trying to distinguish an essentially generic product," said an expert on Ford's vehicle-service operations, who asked not to be named. "They're marketing a commodity."
The designer oils with their special claims can cost six times as much as motor oil distilled from the black goo that came bubbling up in Jed Clampett's backyard. A recent check of Detroit-area stores turned up synthetic oils selling for as much as $5.99 a quart, versus 99 cents for store-brand 10W-30.
That's an extra $20 to $30 an oil change, but it's chicken feed compared to rebuilding an engine, so a lot of people dig into their wallets just to be on the safe side.
Automakers say you should simply stick to the oil and service schedule they recommend.
"We test oils in extremely rigorous circumstances," said Tracey King, Chrysler Group product development specialist responsible for testing and recommending oils and other organic materials. "Our engineers try to break the engine's parts. If they succeed, we specify another oil."
"As long as you follow the manufacturer's recommendations, you can't go wrong," said Harold Schock, professor of mechanical engineering and director of Michigan State University's Automotive Research Experiment Station.
The American Petroleum Institute, the oil and petroleum industry's trade group, certifies oils and agrees that the manufacturer's recommended oil is the preferred choice.
"We always recommend consumers follow their owner's manual," API spokesman Kevin Ferrick said, although he added that owners of classic cars from the 1960s and earlier should also consult with car clubs for the latest information.
The API's "Starburst" emblem on the container guarantees an oil meets the automakers' standards, King said. Beyond that stamp of approval, the API does not endorse any specific oil.
Chrysler recommends traditional oil, sometimes called mineral oil, for almost all its vehicles, she said. The only exceptions are high-performance models like the Dodge Viper, for which the company recommends synthetic oil. Most automakers recommend a single grade of oil -- at Ford Motor Co., it's a 5W-20 synthetic blend -- for nearly all their cars and trucks.
Ford recommends oil changes every 5,000 miles or six months for vehicles that get normal use and every 3,000 miles or three months for vehicles that do heavy work like towing and hauling heavy loads.
Most automakers recommend oil changes in that range, but some, including BMW and General Motors, use engine sensors to determine the interval, which can be much longer.
Some synthetic oils claim to last as much as 15,000 miles, but "we see no evidence of that," Chrysler's King said. "They have not demonstrated it, so we do not accept it."
Automakers all say the oil they put in a new car or truck should be used throughout the vehicle's life.
"Oil companies make so much money off oils for higher-mileage cars," King said. "We don't recommend it. There is no need to spend money on it."
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Jag
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7/15/2004
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Glad to see you can "cut" and "paste". Get off the board, moron.
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Jeff
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7/15/2004
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what are you, a Michael Moore wannabe?
"here's a bunch of unrelated sentences and quotes that really have nothing to do with each other and are so generic and unspecific I think I'll paste them all together as an argument against a specific thing!"
like Jag said, Get off the board, moron.
Jeff
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racerX
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7/15/2004
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ah yes, you're saving us all by shedding light on the corrupt scam artists that call themselves Amsoil. i hear they're almost as bad as Enron.
as said above, just leave. idiot.
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Lifted Dak
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7/15/2004
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Convincing arguement Herb, however if our culture didn't embrace the advent of computers, we would be "discussing" this issue through the mail. Oil should be no different. There are very few commodities that cannot be tweaked or enhanced. One of those being sliced bread. Fact is, synthetic oils are better than conventional oils, regardless of the manufacturer. If this isn't so, why would the auto makers recommend synthetics for their high performance vehicles? At any rate, you may have received a better response if you had altered your subject line to something less confrontational.
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chuckohio
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7/15/2004
15:28:32
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A stupid person; a dolt.
Psychology. A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
A foolish or stupid person.
A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech or guard against common dangers. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
ok now which is this guy a moron or an idiot
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racerX
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7/15/2004
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"The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive."
well if neither classification of each word is in use, wouldnt they both be right?
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opps
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7/15/2004
15:41:56
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1st one is for moron 2nd is idiot
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q
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7/15/2004
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If everything is the same ...
Is Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer the same QUALITY as German Imported Beer?
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rivermaniac
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7/15/2004
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you guys are funny , thanks alot ........ Do you get a better quality of drunkness from pabst blue ribbon than german imported ????? Or are the tastes , or for that matter what you like different ?????
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AmsoilSponsor
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7/15/2004
22:10:05
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I wont call anyone a moron or an idiot ...
but the "cut and paste" comments at the top
of this thread are moronic and idiotic !!!
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To Learn The Truth About Superior Synthetic Lubricants you can Request a FREE Amsoil Catalog by clicking the following link!
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AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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AmsoilSponsor
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7/16/2004
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DODGE DEALERSHIPS NOW CARRY AMSOIL !!!
This was posted by Sephiroth 3/20/2004
V8 Forum --- Subject: New Chrysler Product?!
Message posted by Sephiroth:
"I went in to have my brakes checked today, and when I walked into the garage the first thing I saw made my jaw hit the floor. My local dealership now uses and sells AMSOIL products!! They've got it posted on a big banner over the service-desks. GM may not have been able to get it for their 'vettes, but obviously Dodge was able to, or they found out how awesome it is and started buying at regular price! When I go in for a tranny-filter, fluid, and gasket change next week, it's getting filled with AMSOIL."
Sephiroth went on to state:
"This is at the Raleigh, NC dealership, Al Smith Buick, Dodge, Mazda. I told the guy at the desk I was astounded to see them using AMSOIL and that I had been using it for a while now. After he rode in the truck he said he'd be switching next oil-change in his Ram.
As for me, I've got it in the engine, and I'll have it in the tranny soon! Next up are the differentials. After that I need to get a dyno just for curiosity's sake. IF I get 3-5hp form the differential, and God knows how much from the engine and tranny, that'll be enough without any heavy mods. Well, for all I do anyway. If it is a significant gain, I'll post the results."
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... and as part of the same thread jeremiah2360 stated:
"Norwood (MA) Dodge sells Amsoil too."
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Dodge Dealerships are beginning to realize that Amsoil offers a FULL LINE of SUPERIOR Premium Synthetic Lubricants and Dodge Dealerships are beginning to offer Amsoil.
Why ???
1) Dodge knows Amsoil meets AND exceeds Dodge's requirements.
2) Because their customers are asking for Amsoil.
3) Amsoil = 30 Year History of Research and Development
4) Amsoil offers the best Synthetic Lubricants
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It is less costly to DIY !!!
Especially as an Amsoil Preferred Customer
whereby you can order at Dealer Wholesale Prices!
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You can Request a FREE Amsoil Catalog below.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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MarkKelly
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7/16/2004
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Dodge Dealerships are beginning to realize that Amsoil offers a FULL LINE of SUPERIOR Premium Synthetic Lubricants and Dodge Dealerships are beginning to offer Amsoil.
Why ???
Well you found one dealership that deals amsoil... whoopdy freaking do. Thats one that does and hundreds that dont. You are allways going to find one shady charater in a bunch. That dealerships it.
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mopar_man
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7/16/2004
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Herb
When you get on the whiskey.Stay off the board.
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Dr. D
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7/16/2004
10:07:51
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There are many dealerships in Florida that "use" AMSOIL in the
transmissions and differentials, some even offer the XL-7500
motor oil.
Next time your in the service dept. look on the shelf in the parts
room, you just might see AMSOIL there.
Dr. D
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7/16/2004
10:31:10
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Mark Kelly,
I quoted two regulars to this site, Sephiroth and jeremiah2360 because their comments are well respected. I could list many more Dodge Dealerships / Service Departments that carry Amsoil Products, but that was not the point that I was trying to make. Check with your own Dodge Dealer and see if they are carrying Amsoil. If not, have them contact me and I will set them up.
Remember however, It is less costly to DIY !!!
Especially as an Amsoil Preferred Customer
whereby you can order at Dealer Wholesale Prices!
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You can Request a FREE Amsoil Catalog by clicking the following link!
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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Life Partners
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7/16/2004
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Hey MarkKelly,
All I want to know is if Mark is the pitcher or receiver in you alls relationship. And if he is the pitcher, does he have the common courtesy to give a Kelly a reach around.
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DUDE
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7/18/2004
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AmsoilSponsor, Go to P-2 of the V8 Dakotas and read the posts on "TRANSFER CASE NOISE". You think Sephy's comments are well respected?
I think you better pick a better role model.
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AmsoilSponsor
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7/18/2004
15:19:27
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Okay Dude,
I read part of that thread. Seems that Sephiroth's name might have been hijacked and someone else posted using his name. Not certain ... but that's the way I read it.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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7/18/2004
15:39:52
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Amsoil offers a FULL LINE of SUPERIOR Premium Synthetic Lubricants and Filters and Dodge Dealerships are beginning to offer some Amsoil Products.
1) Dodge knows Amsoil meets AND exceeds Dodge's requirements.
2) Because their customers are asking for Amsoil.
3) Amsoil = 30 Year History of Research and Development
4) Amsoil offers the best Synthetic Lubricants
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Here is a complete listing of Amsoil's introductions.
Your Dodge Dealer/Service Dept. will only carry a few products.
AMSOIL, INC. --- "The First In Synthetics" ®
PRODUCT CHRONOLOGY (in reverse order)
2004 Synthetic 5W-40 European Engine Oil
2004 Saber Outboard Synthetic 100:1 Pre-Mix 2-Cycle Oil (ATO)
2004 Saber Professional Synthetic 100:1 Pre-Mix 2-Cycle Oil (ATP)
2004 HP Injector Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil (HPI)
2004 DOMINATOR Synthetic 2-Cycle Racing Oil (TDR)
2004 INTERCEPTOR Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil (AIT)
2003 Torque-Drive™ Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid
2003 High Performance Interceptor™ Synthetic 2-Cycle Oil
2003 FLOWZAIR Air Filters
2003 Slip Lock™ Differential Additive
2003 SAE 10W-40 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil (XLO)
2002 High Performance SuperDuty Motorcycle Filters
2001 Sirocco® Synthetic Ester Compressor Oil
2001 SAE 0W-40 Formula 4-Stroke Synthetic Motor Oil
2001 SAE 5W-20 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil
2001 X-Treme Synthetic Polymer Food Grade Grease
2001 Supershift Racing Transmission Fluid
2001 Shock Therapy Suspension Fluid
2000 AMSOIL/Dahl Fuel/Water Separators
2000 Hastings Premium Filters
2000 Universal Automatic Transmission Fluid
2000 SAE 20W-50 Synthetic High Performance Motorcycle Engine Oil
2000 SAE 10W-40 Synthetic High Performance Motorcycle Engine Oil
2000 SAE 20W-50 Synthetic High Performance Motor Oil
2000 SAE 10W-40 Synthetic High Performance Motor Oil
1999 Thermally Stable Biodegradable Hydraulic Oil
1999 SAE 60 Synthetic Super Heavy Weight Racing Oil
1999 Heavy Duty Metal Protector
1999 Series 2000 Chaincase Oil
1998 Series 2000 2-Cycle Racing Oil
1998 Super Duty Oil Filters
1998 Gasoline Stabilizer
1998 Octane Boost
1998 AW Series Hydraulic Oils
1998 New By-Pass Oil Filter Kits Introduced
1998 Series 2000 Synthetic 75W-140 Gear Lube
1997 The AMSOIL Quick Lube Program Introduced
1997 Series 2000 Synthetic 75W-90 Gear Lube
1997 AMSOIL INC.'s "The First In Synthetics" is trademarked
1997 Synthetic 5th Wheel and Open Gear Compound
1997 SAE 5W-30 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil
1997 SAE 10W-30 XL-7500 Synthetic Motor Oil
1997 PI Quick Shot
1997 Pro Formula Car Polish
1996 Under Coat
1996 Series 3000 Synthetic 5W-30 Heavy Duty Diesel Oil
1996 Non-Flammable Rust Preventative
1996 Pro Formula Metal Polish
1996 Series 2000 0W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
1996 Silicone Lubricant Spray
1996 Miracle Wash Waterless Wash and Polish
1995 Series 2000 Racing Grease
1995 Water Resistant Synthetic Grease
1995 Lure Gard Aqueous Rust Preventative with Fish Attractant
1995 Multi-Purpose Synthetic Spray Grease
1995 Series 2000 Synthetic 20W-50 Racing Oil
1993 Propylene Glycol Antifreeze and Engine Coolant
1992 Cetane Boost Diesel Fuel Additive
1992 Dual Remote By-Pass Filtration System
1991 Biodegradable 2-Cycle Oil
1991 2-Stage Air Filter
1991 5W-30 100% Synthetic Motor Oil
1990 Rain Clear
1990 BE-100 and BE-110 Spin-On By-Pass Oil Filters
1990 Dual-GARD By-Pass Filter Mount
1989 Synthetic Polymer Food Grade Grease
1987 20W-40 Synthetic Natural Gas Engine Oil
1987 Spin-On By-Pass Oil Filters
1986 80W-90 Gear Lube (GL-4)
1985 Synthetic Multi-Purpose Grease and Synthetic Heavy Duty Grease
1985 2-Cycle Injector Oil
1985 5W-30 Para-Synthetic Motor Oil
1984 75W-90 Gear Lube
1984 10W-30 Turbo Oil
1984 Marine Gear Lube
1983 Heavy Duty By-Pass Oil Filter
1983 TRIGARD Lifetime Oil Change System
1982 Marine Engine Oil
1982 By-Pass Oil Filter
1982 Home Heating Fuel Extender
1982 Diesel Fuel Modifier
1982 Diesel Fuel Additive Concentrate
1980 Engine and Crankcase Cleaner
1980 Automatic Transmission Fluid
1980 Lifetime POD Air Filter
1979 15W-40 Gas and Diesel Para-Synthetic Oil
1979 SAE 40 Racing Oil
1979 10W-40 Para-Synthetic Motor Oil
1979 Air Filter Foam Oil
1979 Lifetime Air Filter
1978 MP Metal Protector
1978 20W-50 Racing Oil
1978 85W-140 Gear Lube
1978 P.I. Fuel Additive
1976 Grease
1976 Engine Oil Filters
1976 Rotary Compressor Oil
1976 Reciprocating Compressor Oil
1975 Farm Tractor Hydraulic/Transmission Fluid
1975 Hydraulic Oil
1975 SE, CC, CD Diesel Oil
1974 80W-90 Gear Lube
1973 2-Cycle Oil
1972 10W-40 100% Synthetic Oil (API SE Approved)
Yes, Since 1972! The FIRST to develop an API-rated 100 percent synthetic motor oil.
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TIM
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That AMSOIL guy talks WAYYYYYY TOOOOO MUCH, BLAHH BLAHHHH BLAHHHHH BLAHHHHH
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