Dodge quality gone to the crapper?!

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Dan Keller Dodge Dakota 7/20/2001 12:21:58	Subject: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: Just wanted to get general opinions here... no flames please. I drive a '01 4.7ltr Dakota 4x4 ext cab, very nice truck.. and beautiful! however, way overpriced at 27k out the door. This is my concern: My cousin drives a '97 dodge ram with the 360 (70k on the clock). It just cracked a head under no real stresses. I've also got a close friend whos had 3 different heads installed from the factory on his '00 durango 360(again, under no real stresses it cracked). Should i be overly concerned with my 4.7ltr? I'm considering offing my truck for a toyota 4x4... payments would be considerably less... i know i'd be giving up the V8 for a six banger, but i just need to know that it's not going to leave me somewhere. Quality wise, i'm not impressed AT ALL with dodge. I special ordered my truck which even after 8 weeks in birthing... they did the sh!ttiest paintjob... missed spots all over inside the door jambs, clearcoat sucks! I'm coming from a bmw, so maybe i'm a bit on the picky side. ;O) As well, when turning at low speeds like when parking... i hear these awful popping noises, like cv joints or something. I this just an AWD thing... my truck has 11k miles on it... jeeze! Built with Pride, my ass. should be "built with budget". Dan
me Dodge Dakota 7/20/2001 12:28:05	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: I came from a toyota to the dakota too. I MISS MY TOYOTA. My alignment is out, bed was crooked, pops from the front, squeaks from bushings i guess, when i go over any bump. I wanted the 4 door cab, but, come on. The quality sucks. I like the power, but hate the little crap. i wanted to try the domestic after being a toyota person for 10 years. i got crap. going back to toyta
me Dodge Dakota 7/20/2001 12:28:26	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: I came from a toyota to the dakota too. I MISS MY TOYOTA. My alignment is out, bed was crooked, pops from the front, squeaks from bushings i guess, when i go over any bump. I wanted the 4 door cab, but, come on. The quality sucks. I like the power, but hate the little crap. i wanted to try the domestic after being a toyota person for 10 years. i got crap. going back to toyta
cr250canada Dodge Dakota 7/20/2001 12:52:35	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: Sorry to hear about your problems. I have a 00 cc and love it, Some alignment problems at first and I'll admit the tires are garbage but other than that, It's been great. Before this truck I had a 98 club cab that was brutal, Of course it was hit from behind at about 55MPH while sitting at a stoplight 2 weeks after I got it. When I got it back, It was a mess. Everything went wrong, So I cursed Dodge and got rid of it. I went Truck shopping and found that nobody made a truck like the Dakota, It was the only truck that was perfectly designed for my needs. I consulted several Dakota driving friends and decided to bite the bullet and try again. I'm glad I did, This truck is my baby. Good luck with your new truck.
Python97 Dodge Dakota 7/20/2001 13:07:53	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: Is an alignment under warranty? My truck pulls to the right also. For a 2001 my truck has been in the shop way to much. ABout 7 times for paint and other stupid Shi!.
MACE Dodge Dakota 7/20/2001 14:23:27	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: I think it may be more of built with budget in mind as you said! Take the 2001 4.7 QC -vs- a 2000 4.7 QC: Lower HP (yah, give the nod to emisions, still they could have taken care of this) No Hood or console light No badges No hood insulation in the SLT models No numbers on the temp/oil pressure gauges Spotty A/C performance (ok, a redesigned dash and outlets, but where was the Q/A and testing?) Crappy paint (almost 2k miles on mine, more and more flaws are showing up the more I become familar with the truck) Not sure if these are 2001 specific: mis-aligned bed saging front end some sliders not tinted Now that I vented, let me say, I love the DAK QC! Go to Edmunds and read posts from owners of non Dodge trucks, they have issues to, so DC is not the only one with poor QC or cutting corners. BTW, DC was in the news, something about the Chrysler Division or North America Division will not lose as much money this year as previously forcasted...cutting corners does indeed seem to have saved some pennies, but at our expense.
Jacob Dodge Dakota 7/20/2001 14:42:33	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: I love the way the Dakotas look also but have had my fair share of problems. First, off this is my second Dakota my first was a lemon, so far though this one has only been in the shop 3 times in a year! All that said I still like my dodge.
MikeC Dodge Dakota 7/20/2001 16:27:07	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: I think everyone here has a point, or 2 = ) If you talk with any owner of a vehicle(who knows anything about it) they will have comments and gripes. All in all, I think Dodge makes the meanest truck, for now. The competition will also be putting out stronger engines in the next few years. Of course, that is not ALL there is to a truck. Dodge has the looks and the means to get stuff done, and that's what matters. My gripe is that the price of 4X4's is out of control. For what we are paying, we shouldn't have to b!tch about no decals, lights, or pinging. Of course there isn't a lot of time to find things out with the pushy sales guy hammerin most of us that walk in the door with the ol' "What can I do to get you in this Baby?!?" Overall, they are making them better than they used to. But most of us expect more for the money. This was my first truck. And I love it. But being more educated on 4X4'n I now have a clearer head, and I have to say I am probably going to move to a Jeep. That is not to say they are "better," I just have found out more what my needs are, and now I am going to go for it. For what it's worth, I'll be back in a Dak in '05 when the HEMI's are out in a screamin 4X2!! ~MikeC 2001 4.7 4X4 CC SLT 235HP movin to a 2002 4.0 4X4 Wrangler Sport 190HP oh yeah - with a monster lift
CyberWolf Dodge Dakota 7/20/2001 16:47:41	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: I like the fact that they no longer have badges The A/C is not as cool as our 97-00 models but it is still cool The under hood insulation is not a big deal to me even though I live in Texas 110 degree weather. I now have a cowl hood and wouldnt be able to use it anyway. I have never seen a 2001 model that the rear axle was centered from the dealer. Mine was fixed at the body shop. Found out that it is not actually the axle. The bed was not centered. That was found after being put on a laser frame machine. I wish my gauges had numbers but I dont think this was a cost issue. Wouldnt it have been cheaper to use the 97-00 gauge face insted of mkaing a new one. And, how much could you save from not putting a number. The sagging front end comes from poor shocks. Yes, the shocks they put on these things suck but it is not only a 2001 problem. I'll be replacing these anyway. My BIGGEST problem with the quality of my truck is the paint. I was told that they only have 1 quart of paint on them from the factory. You can look at my truck and almost see through my paint. I can tell you what color my primer is. Any little thing that touches my truck puts a scratch on it. I went to look at the Tundra for my wife and was told that they have 7 coats of paint. He even took his pen and scrathed the truck then licked his finger and rubbed the scratch out. Why couldn't Dodge do that. Lower HP in the 2001 sucks. They could have gotten around that. All in all, I am extremely happy with my Dak. Most of the problems are minor and just a preference thing. All I can say to the Toyota owners is...... "WANNA RACE???" 2001 CC Sport, 4.7, 5 speed, 3.92 LS, flowmaster catback, cowl hood
MACE Dodge Dakota 7/20/2001 18:34:30	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: Hey CyberWolf, I'm with you...we still have the right to B&M about our trucks but try to pry them away from us! Re: the gauges, I forgot to mention the 2001 models also lost the yellow/red lines on the tach that the 2000 models had (pennies, more pennies saved I tell ya) And your right, it's more of a off-centered bed problem -vs- offset axle...I got a slight benefit out of that...a re-aligned, tightened down bed with undercoating for both rear wheel wells (ok, add that B&M to the list...no undercoating on the rear wheel wells...go take a look!) 2K1 DAK PR4 QC/4.7/Auto/Awd/3.92/T&H/4W-ABS/Sport+ Flowmaster SUV 50 Series Dual Cat-back Jet Chip Stage II Z-tube with their new 9 inch Pro-Flow Filter Robert Shaw 180 T-stat Autolite 3923s Rubber Flap Removed Looking for Flowmetrics 70mm TB and Royal Purple!
Throttle Dodge Dakota 7/20/2001 18:53:40	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: Whew, man you guys have got me sweatin' bullets. What kind of problems am I going to have when my 2002 arrives? I had a 96'& 97' ZR2 S-10 and had zero mechanical problems. The beds were off, but paint, ect. were all fine. When I went shopping for a truck this time around, I was sold on the Dakota because of the V8 and price... 21,000 out the door, compared to 24,000 for the ZR2. Anyway, I hope it has tires when it gets delivered (LOL). Take Care.
Sid Copper Dodge Dakota 7/20/2001 19:45:10	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: Dan I think you need to sit on the crapper,because you are so full of it.Please get your rice burner and stop your crying.You can go to the Toyota web site!Byby
Dan Keller Dodge Dakota 7/23/2001 12:03:30	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: Why don't you read what I had to say, instead of letting your redneck ford/chevy american bullsh!t pride get in the way. I don't like pushing a 5000lb truck through an intersection. American vehicles just plain suck... we just don't have the quality standards as other countries. And that is fact. It seems that "just good enough", seems to be the mentality of our automakers. You can't argue that, don't even try.. you won't win this one. :0) Dan "if you wanna race... buy a car, trucks are fer haulin"
QuadCab Dodge Dakota 7/23/2001 12:36:36	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: Trucks aren't for racing, look at the Nascar truck races! Dodge is successful there.
Mar Dodge Dakota 7/23/2001 13:01:03	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: Toyota sucks dodge rules.
Dan Keller Dodge Dakota 7/23/2001 13:45:34	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: Well, then what you don't know: engineers from toyota were part of the design crew for the dakota... (oh yes, they were) take a look dude, it's all toyota (except for the killer V8 part of course). And even with german parts (bosch)computers blah blah blah, AND THEY STILL COULDNT GET IT RIGHT! There's nothing 'merican about dodge trucks or cars. It's a mexican/japanese/german hybrid. Ask a sales guy at any Dodge dealership that knows his @$$ from a hole in the ground. You may sit down, i'm finished now. Dan
Tom Dodge Dakota 7/23/2001 18:41:07	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: Dan you suck,go back to Poland.Don't sit on the crapper,get your head out of it!Like Sid said,go to the Toyota web site you CRY BABY !
Jeff Dodge Dakota 7/23/2001 19:14:01	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: I agree, Dan, I've had some issues with my Dakota that I'm far less than pleased with. But I've owned, and still own, a '91 YJ. I've completed nearly every upgrade in the book for the 4 liter ho. I still rock-crawl with it once a week on its 6 inches of lift, 33 muds, and over 150,000 miles on it. Never had a problem with her. Pretty decent for American Made. I'm not sure what's going on with the Dakotas though. There seem to be MANY similar problems experienced with these things. I wouldn't be so pissed about it if I had a decent dealership around that could complete repairs with quality and efficiency in mind. You're right though, if you look at the statistics, far less problems occur with say, Hondas or Toyotas against our Fords and Chryslers. But I still love my baby, for some reason :-). Good luck with yours. 2K QC 4.7 4x4 P.S. A couple buds here at the office say to stay away from the BMW 3-series. Having all kinds of small quality control issues.
Kevin Dodge Dakota 7/24/2001 13:03:21	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: I just got my '01 Club Cab, 4x4, SLT, v8, blah, blah, blah and the only thing I noticed that was wrong was a very minor dust speck in the paint (1/8") and I was missing the famous ash tray light and hood insulation which the dealer is going to install. If you compare the Dodge to the Toyota's you've also got to consider cost, resell, etc. You can't touch a fully loaded Toyota for under $20K and sure, the resell value is higher but you paid $7K more for it new. Waiting 8 weeks for a truck to be built is pretty normal I think too. So far, I'm happy with my Dakota and it gets almost at good as my Tacoma did going 80-85mph on the freeway with more room, etc.
BlkBird Dodge Dakota 7/24/2001 18:16:03	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: Ive had no problems with my '92 Dak, I ran the crap out of the original 318 then built a 360 for it, and have no problems with it either. I even run a boat load of NOS through both motors(and the 318 was a stock bottom end!!) and have never had any problems with heads or head gaskets. I just bought an '01 Durango R/T, if that give you any clue to my thoughts on their quality.
FlkeysR/T Dodge Dakota 7/24/2001 19:33:09	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: Hi folks...i couldnt help but respond here.....ive got a 2000 blue R/T cc with 18000 on the ticker and have to say its the best all around truck ive ever had...im not sure about the claim of one quart of paint on our dakotas, frankly im satisfied with the overall quality of my paint...the blue clear coat lights up nicely with a good wax job. Now of course its not quite in the league of my wife's Audi A6 in terms of fit and finish...but my truck isnt costing me my right leg and first born child like her car is...lol.... All things considered i think dodge has done a pretty darn good job of building a darn good truck at a decent value. I'd buy one again, but not before i have my fun strappin a powerdyne and other misc. goodies on this one and gettin my fun out of it! I'm new to this site but i do want to say im really enjoyin the insight of you gear heads that know so much more than I.....Thanks for bein here!
Zaurusman Dodge Dakota 7/24/2001 21:08:25	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: Well, I feel everyone's pain. My '98 V6 RC 5-speed went in countless times under warranty; replaced the horn, seat belt, rear speakers (Infinity system), A/C compressor, several gaskets due to leaky thermostat, the central timing unit twice (wouldn't run on me three times; security system malfunction - stranded me at work of all places three freakin' times), the cat three times (next replacement due in about 15000 miles, under 80K emissions warranty), had the bed straightened, and took it in about ten times and called Chrysler Customer Service for (get this) the tailgate rattling. They never figured it out; I gave up. After the warranty went out, the upper ball joints did as well to the tune of about $550. The lower balljoints have clunked since new, the engine pings on anything but premium, the tailgate still rattles (though slamming it with all my might helps), and it consumes a quart of oil between oil changes. And I'd like to pack my wheel bearing for prevention, but of course they're sealed into the hub. I have 56K miles on the truck now. How's all that? My last truck was a '94 Ranger, and I had it for almost as long as my Dakota; it NEVER went back into the shop. Heck, the '81 Omni with 80K miles I got in '92 had fewer problems. So which would I rather have? My Dakota! I've thought about trading it in a couple times (who wouldn't?), but I love it! It's loaded with creature comforts, some not even available on the other compacts, like the overhead console and self-dimming mirror. Somehow, it's longer than the Ranger but turns tighter. It's anti-locks are phenomenal - the Ranger's standard rear ABS would screw me up under hard dry braking then lock up on ice! It feels awesome driving down the road - it's wide and stable, the steering's more responsive than anything I've owned, the 5-speed shifts well, the V6 sounds good, the stereo rocks, et al! And I especially delight in calling other compacts' beds "cubby holes!" As for the price, well, when I was at the dealership and it came driving up I panicked, looked at my sales rep and said "Wait a minute - HOW much did I just sign I'd pay??" Just $19K. GOOD DEAL!! So who the heck cares about under-hood insulation? -tk
lesley Dodge Dakota 7/27/2001 17:14:47	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: I have a 97 Club Cab. I absolutely love to drive this truck. However, I have had lots of problems too: catalytic converter replaced 3 times, timing chain at 60,000 kms., upper & lower ball joints at 70,000. I agree about the paint job - mine is black & scratches easily, the front bumper is almost paintless it is so thin, & already rusting. Other than that, (knock wood) I can't complain, I would not give up this truck.
jLo Dodge Dakota 7/28/2001 03:35:50	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: by the way... you said originally you'd have to give up your V8 if you got the Toyota, not if you get the Tundra.. toy's new fullsize comes with a nice v8
Mopar67 Dodge Dakota 7/28/2001 10:21:56	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: Folks its as simple as this: So long as we have stuffed shirts and beancounters running the car business in detroit, we will never match the germans and japanese for quality. For too many years now, executives have been worrying about next quarters bonus and the value of their stock options. Lots of costs were cut on the 2001 Dakotas and if you look at the new Jeep Liberty's window sticker, you will find 80% domestic content in parts and labor. NAFTA only exacerbated this on going problem. ITs easier more so than ever to move production down to MExico. Folks (myself included) have complained on this board about lousy brake durability. Check your rotors and drums next time you take off your wheels. On the hub, you will see "Mexico" stapmed on it. Funny thing is, the older cars I used to drive had domestic sourced brake rotors and drums and I never had issues with them warping. I could go on and on on what is made where these days but it still does not change the cold hard reality that companies will go to wherever they can get it cheaply made. China, Mexico, you name it they will go there. And to hell with quality. THe guy in the car business who "becomes the one to watch" is not a designer or an engineer. Its the guy who figured out how to take $2.00 cost on a $20 part. Its the beancounters who say, "no, way, that costs too much." Case in point: Chrysler had to fork out over $200 million in 1980 to replace rusted fenders on Aspens/Volares. Seems during the 1975-78 production run, a beancounter ordered the factories to use less rustproofing on the fenders. So they saved $70 a car. However, Chrysler lost customer loyalty after the customers found holes in their fenders. CHrysler had to spend far more money in advertising and rebates to get people to condsider their cars all because someone wanted to shave a few bucks on cost. Not to mention the cost of having to repair all those cars. Wouldn't have been far more cost effective to spend the money up front and maintain customer loyalty in the long run? Ever notice how Toyota and Honda sell Camrys in Civics without rebates? In closing, I still believe we can build good products provided our people are given the resources to do so. America does have a good track record of excellent cars etc. Witness the Slant Six. SImple, durable, and legendary among mopar fans. SO that goes to show you we CAN do it. Yet we choose not to. SO long as executives think next quarters profits and bonuses, we're in serious trouble in the world marketplace. You see, the consumer has far too many choices out there and while styling sells cars, it is quality that keeps them sold. Is anybody in Detroit listening?
Mar Dodge Dakota 7/30/2001 14:12:01	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: Dan The dodge designers for the dakota came from GM not toyota. Bosch is english not german and you suck. Find a toyota forme. Just one problem better learn japanise to speek with the other fans.
Mar Dodge Dakota 7/30/2001 14:13:55	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: AS far as german and japanise quality i live in canada and we make half the parts for every car company.
Kenny Dodge Dakota 8/23/2001 00:42:05	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: I don't know how this guy finds all these people with Dakota's with cracked heads.I have been reading complaints about the Dakotas from different places on the Internet and his is the first I read about a cracked head problem. They have been mostly ball joints and beds not on straight. I would agree that Toyota puts out good quality stuff. But you pay for that quality. My brother in law has a four banger Camray. Nice car. But he paid more for that than I did my Eagle. And mine is a six that runs on reg. gas. I have power everything. His runs on mid grade gas and he only has power steering,brakes,and is automatic. When he takes it to a dealer.He pays more to service it than I do at a Chrysler dealer.We both bought the same year new. The only thing I had to do with my Eagle was replace the radiator. He didn't have to replace anything except the usual stuff. So I may of put out over $500.00 more on repairs than he did. But he paid more for his. Not as big an engine as mine. Cost him more to service and cost more per gallon to fill.Plus, he has no power seat,windows or door locks on his. I'll take my Eagle. My Son has a 2001 Toyota Tacoma 4/4.It is a nice truck.But the seats are hard. You can't be comfortable riding for more than 25-30 miles. He paid as much for that as I paid for my 2001 Dakota Club Cab two wheel drive. Again, his is almost striped except for automatic,power steering, brakes and radio. My Dakota has power everything except seat. And it rides like a dream. It is quiet, solid and beautiful.Plus I can haul a few kids inside. He can't. I doubt very much he will use the four wheel drive that much and he is already complaining about the seats and not having power windows and locks. He may have better luck with his truck than I do with the Dak. But I love driving my Dak.Much more than he enjoys driving his Toy.But he may be able to talk all along about quality while he uses a cushion on that seat. Don't think I don't point that out to him either.
Kenny Dodge Dakota 8/23/2001 00:44:14	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: I don't know how this guy finds all these people with Dakota's with cracked heads.I have been reading complaints about the Dakotas from different places on the Internet and his is the first I read about a cracked head problem. They have been mostly ball joints and beds not on straight. I would agree that Toyota puts out good quality stuff. But you pay for that quality. My brother in law has a four banger Camray. Nice car. But he paid more for that than I did my Eagle. And mine is a six that runs on reg. gas. I have power everything. His runs on mid grade gas and he only has power steering,brakes,and is automatic. When he takes it to a dealer.He pays more to service it than I do at a Chrysler dealer.We both bought the same year new. The only thing I had to do with my Eagle was replace the radiator. He didn't have to replace anything except the usual stuff. So I may of put out over $500.00 more on repairs than he did. But he paid more for his. Not as big an engine as mine. Cost him more to service and cost more per gallon to fill.Plus, he has no power seat,windows or door locks on his. I'll take my Eagle. My Son has a 2001 Toyota Tacoma 4/4.It is a nice truck.But the seats are hard. You can't be comfortable riding for more than 25-30 miles. He paid as much for that as I paid for my 2001 Dakota Club Cab two wheel drive. Again, his is almost striped except for automatic,power steering, brakes and radio. My Dakota has power everything except seat. And it rides like a dream. It is quiet, solid and beautiful.Plus I can haul a few kids inside. He can't. I doubt very much he will use the four wheel drive that much and he is already complaining about the seats and not having power windows and locks. He may have better luck with his truck than I do with the Dak. But I love driving my Dak.Much more than he enjoys driving his Toy.But he may be able to talk all along about quality while he uses a cushion on that seat. Don't think I don't point that out to him either.
Mar Dodge Dakota 8/23/2001 10:50:55	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: Well if toyota puts out such high quality tell me why my 1996 toyota 4runner limited heater broke right in the middle of winter I had to use the crappy rear heater and that was half assed. Then one night i was in reverse and hit the gas to spin the tires and the tranny light went on (It went of after i reset the ignition. Then 1 year after i bought it she stalled at a light. Then about a week after that my head gasket blew and cost me the engine. The truck lasted 1 year and a few weaks. The toyota people said it was my driving that it not a race car you have to take it a bit easer. I went accross the street to the dodge dealer bought a 5.9 durango and Nothing absolutly nothing has gone wrong with this truck. I drive it even harder because unlike the toyota which was gutless and invented the term body roll the durango is fun to drive. I will never leave dodge now NEVER.
techknow Dodge Dakota 8/23/2001 14:01:24	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: My father owned Mopars. Road runner, challenger, charger r/t. I've grown up having a fond respect for the dodge name. I still do. I don't rag on any company really - I test drove the Tacoma V6, Frontier V6, and the Ranger 4.0L V6 w/4.10's. They were all ok trucks, but the Dakota just felt at home. It's comfortable, almost luxurious in some aspects. The frontier road nice, but was not powerful enough. The tacoma was pretty good power, but an uncomfortable drive for a long period of time. The dodge just felt at home. My first car when I was 16 was a neon. I loved it, learned about the 4 bangers and all. Then I got a 98 avenger. Awesome car. I didn't have any problems with either car. Now, I'm 21, andhave a 2000 club cab 4.7L Automatic Dakota Sport. I love it - I wouldn't trade it. I traded the avenger in because I liked the truck, and at the time, I was in the process of moving, and it had the V8. I've put about 8000 miles on it (It's at the 25k mark now) - I've had no problems. As a long time dodge buyer, I know the rotors and brakes suck - I plan on changing them anyway. I paid 17k for my truck (dont ask! :) and i wouldn't trade it for the world, except for an R/T, which is what I wanted but they couldn't get one supposedly. My preference is dodge, each person finds their own though. If you feel toyota was better to you, why not see about getting it again? Each person has to drive what they're comfortable in. I think dodge's quality is still ok -I've had nothing but great service from my 5-star dealers in town. The people at the dealership are nice as well - they show an interest in your truck after you've bought it. I'm a happy mopar customer, and I hope and wish all of you will feel the same, or do already. No rants please, just stating my 2 cents. or maybe 5 cents :) mark '00 cc 4.7L black dak sport click here for my website.
Demon-Xanth Dodge Dakota 8/23/2001 17:33:46	RE: Dodge quality gone to the crapper?! IP: Logged Message: When people say american cars are crap, I've driven some pretty crappy japanese cars and can tell you where they come from doesn't make that much difference. If you want I can tell you about my grandma's maxima that left me with a sore back from a trip back from arizona and sent my dad to a chiropractor on a trip to LA.
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