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Pat
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6/07/2004
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I'm sure this has been asked before, and I took a look through with the search but didn't find anything. I'm just wondering beyond looks how were the gen Is different from the gen IIs.
I'd assume the front end geometry, and I think they are shorter and narrower, and the suspension doesn't hold the truck as high. If there exists a site with all this info that'd be fantastic.
Pat
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IntenseDak39
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6/07/2004
19:31:43
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the genI has different hood, fenders and grill. There might be more to the body than that but i am unsure about the back end or cab. The engine bay is bigger in the genII. Also the genII has magnum engines while the genI was all premag and the only V8 offered in the genI was the Shelby Dakota (i may be wrong about that.. so don't flame). GenI also recieved a different bolt pattern rotors and axles but could be switched to the genII's. Other little differences but i believe those are the main ones.
6.6 Lt. Big Block, 727 TF shift kit, 452 heads, edelbrock 750 cfm, .513/.513 284/300 crower cam, comp cams springs, comp cams pushrods, 1.5 roller rockers, dp intake, mopar ignition, mopar windage tray, dual exhaust w/ 40 series flowmasters, 4.10 gears, coilover drag suspension, approx, 3500 lbs
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gen1dak
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6/07/2004
20:03:56
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The '91 GenII's had pre-Magnum V8's as well. The GenII frame rails are also extended to accomodate the front end extension. There were some minor interior changes and the spring rates were changed a bit in the front suspension. I think the body was unchanged other than the front end changes.Intense is correct that only the GenI Shelby's had V8's.
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Chris
Dodge Dakota
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6/08/2004
11:16:25
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what really is the difference between the two engine types? Also, the tailgate lettering was changed in 93 i do believe.
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Kevin
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6/08/2004
13:06:59
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Gen 1 had pre Magnum engines. I think they had TBI instead of MPI. 1992 saw the introduction of the Magnum 5.2 and 3.9 engines. They had MPI fuel injection and a significant boost in power. I think 1993 was the year they changed the tailgate and removed the large raised DODGE and went to a smaller sticker type nameplate. I think the grille and hood also changed, became a little more rounder.
Gen 1 V8 - 190hp
Gen 2 V8 - 230hp, dropped to 220 or 225 in 1993/4
Gen 3 V8 - 230hp(5.2) 235hp(4.7) 245hp (5.9) 250hp(R/T)
Also - 1992 5.2 was a Magnum. The 5.9 Magnum did not appear until 1993 in the full size trucks, Ramcharger and vans.
I think I got everything right.
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gen1dak
Dodge Dakota
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6/08/2004
13:24:43
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Practical differences in the engines break down to a further evolution in the smallblock heads to improve the flow over previous heads. The barrel intake was designed with truck power in mind in an MPI design. The bolt patterns for the intake to the heads were changed, and the heads require a different set of bolts (lengthwise), though the pattern is the same. The valve covers were changed, and are a 10-bolt design, though the LA 5-bolt pattern is a subset of the 10 bolts, meaning, with the right gaskets, you can run LA covers on a Magnum. The rocker ratio was changed to 1.6:1, from the 1.52:1, and the rocker style was changed to an old AMC-style pedestal rocker, from the shaft-style rocker. The Magnum V8's also incorporated the engine mount triad pad in the lower center of the block.
Gen I's had carb, then TBI.
Gotta get me one of those non-Tonka lettered tailgates.
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Chris
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6/10/2004
09:46:46
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yeah, sure glad i didn't have the tailgate with the raised letters, a pain to remove from what i hear.
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Kevin
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6/10/2004
12:11:27
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Actually I prefer the raised letters on mine, but that is also because I am more of a traditional Dodge truck guy. Goes well with my toolbox, headache rack and grill guard. Never really liked the GenII Rams or GenIII Daks as much as mine. Next vehicle in my stable will be a 92-93 Ramcharger. That is just my personal preference. Of course now all my paint is delaminating, will be due for a complete paint job in the next year and probably a new engine as well.
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gen1dak
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6/11/2004
11:01:22
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I hear ya Kev. I still remember an early photo of the Dakota as shown by Hot Rod magazine. It was tricked out with MP goodies, including 4V carb, 15X8 wheels, etc and was seen doing skidpad runs. Anyway, it had the clean tailgate, which, it was hoped, would make it to production since it ooozed a cool street-scene flavor. Marketing won out, and the huge letters got the nod, but anyone who has seen a Shelby would probably agree that the smooth 'gate would fit the rest of the truck better. Well, I do, but then again, it was a nice thought to consider all those little Harbody Nissans and other minis of the time...the last thing they saw when I took off was...D O D G E... :-)
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Chris
Dodge Dakota
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6/11/2004
16:59:26
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the ones from 94- 96 were not just decals, they are reflective letters for visibility i guess. I like those, just doesn't look good if you are making a custom ride. Why is it that i can not seem to keep the tailgate clean though? one trip somewhere and it is covered by dust, when nothing else is.
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01Motorsport
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6/11/2004
17:53:26
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The 1991's had the new front end, but came with the older pre-magnum 318 with 170 HP. So the 60 HP jump to the '92 Magnum 230 HP caused quite a stir. The raised tailgate letters were used until 1994, when the smooth 'gate with third brake light was introduced. The '94's also got body-color side molding on the main upper character line, and Magnum V8 or V6 emblems on the front fenders for the first time. The '92-'93 5.2's had 5.2 EFI emblems. Curiously, the same year 5.2 Jeep Grand Cherokees had 5.2 MPI emblems. I always liked the raised body-color-only letters on my old '92.
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Chris
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6/11/2004
20:28:28
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what is the differences between the transmissions between 92 thru 96? aren't they all the same? just wondering because those seem to last a lot longer than do the newer ones. seems odd to me that the older stuff lasts longer. Anyone else here notice this? Just wish more companies would make stuff like they do for S 10's all the way back in the 80's.
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gen1dak
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6/12/2004
14:06:46
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The design on the trannies was supposedly improved for better lube, but I can attest to the poor durability of the first overdrive units. They were no better than they are now. About the only real strengthening I've seen that has really worked involved the heavier planetaries in the V10 and Cummins units. Naturally, the aftermarket solved these issues, but most people don't know about this, so they just keep going back and getting shagged by the dealers. The tranny designations changed through the years, and in 1996, they were adapted to full electronic control.
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matwood
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6/13/2004
12:06:18
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the big raised "DODGE" on the tailgate was on the '94, sticker on '95
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