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Darryl
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4/07/2004
17:04:57
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 Subject: Amsoil Series 2000 0w-30 vs SAE 10w-30
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I was thinking of WipLashes experience of his PSI dropping late into his run with M1.
And the Amsoil sponsers explanation of the M1 "burning off" due to M1's poor volatility(compared of course, to Amsoil) as the possible cause.
If that were the case, the M1 would thicken up (as Steve said) and actually RAISE PSI.
The more viscous the oil (thicker) the higher the psi, not the lower.
So based on those facts, there must be another explanation.
Darryl
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WipLash
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4/07/2004
20:38:26
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Darryl,
Did you read the entire post I made?
I said my oil pressure drops and my gas mileage increases at around 3000-3500 miles. I then said my mileage drops way off at around 4,700.(That would suggest burn-off, I think?) I failed to elaborate much on the 4,700 mile perfromance because I only tried this twice. I had planned to start doing 6,000 mile oil changes, but changed my mind after my gas mileage dropped so severely. Also, I don't recall what the oil pressure was doing at the 4,700 mark. I only did that twice.
I went to at least 3,500 nearly evey time I changed my oil. I noticed this event every time.
NOTE: I only noticed this on the 4.7L.
READ MY LIPS!!! I have not had this problem on any of my 3.9/5.2/5.9L engines using Mobil1.
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Darryl
Dodge Dakota
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4/07/2004
22:18:06
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Yes Wip, I read your entire post. Did you read mine?
I was refering only to your psi, I said nothing about your mileage in my entire post, just psi.
Thats why I said that the M1 burning off due to poor volatility (compared to Amsoil) and causing your psi to drop (per Amsoil sponser), was not the cause for the psi drop only.
The oil thickening up could cause lower mpg.
The bottom line is this, M1 10w-30 holds its weight from start to finish as good as ANY (Amsoil) out there.
If you would only go to the web site that I gave, and go to the Used Oil Analysis forum, then search M1 10w-30, you would see for yourself what I say is indeed a fact.
It's a bunch of car guys sharing info on oil, thats it.
Don't get me wrong, I don't make a single penny off anybody using/buying Mobil 1 oil. I am only trying to get unsponsered/biased facts to anyone who is serious about the oil they use.
If I missed something, I would be glad to be corrected.
Darryl
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Newton
Dodge Dakota
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5/27/2004
07:03:52
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Well, we shoulda stocked up. I bought some Mobil1 5W-30 yesterday at Wal-mart and I was shocked to see the 5 qt. Mobil1 10w-30 or 5W-30 were now twenty-nine ($29) where it used to be twenty -two ($22) or less if on sale. The qts. of Mobil1 are now $4.99.
How much is that Amsoil again now?
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Frank C.
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10/26/2004
00:03:23
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I notice a everyone is talking about mobil 1 and comparing it and amsoil. How does Castrol Syntec stack up in this whole senario?
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10/26/2004
08:24:36
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A Good Castrol Thread
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Frank C.
Dodge Dakota
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10/26/2004
09:42:49
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Thanks for the tread Steve. I was using Castrol Syntec because i didnt want to use mobil 1. i came up a while ago to boycot exxonmobil but i dont remember exactly why. i think it had something to do with all the crap in the mideast. i know some of you may think it is stupid to boycot after you forget the reason. i was thinking about switching to amsoil oil and atf. anyone want 10 qts of castrol syntec. shelf price of about $50, asking $35. lol
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Howard
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11/30/2004
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Not any more .....
ExxonMobil Hikes Motor Oil Prices
ExxonMobil Lubricants and Petroleum Specialties next week will raise prices on passenger car motor oils and other consumer automotive lubricants by as much as 56 cents per gallon, according to a letter sent to lube distributors last month.
The company told Lube Report yesterday that the action has nothing to do with a recent complaint by independent lubricant manufacturers that it had employed predatory pricing. Officials with the Independent Lubricant Manufacturers Association welcomed ExxonMobil’s markups but said they will continue to press their case with the U.S. government.
“On the one hand, we are glad to see they took this action,” said Jeffrey L. Leiter, the association’s legal counsel. “Everyone feels it is about time. But I still think ILMA has a long-term concern about whether this was a one-time effort to grab market share, or whether we can expect to see more of it in the future.”
2004 has been a year of unusually steep cost and price increases for the lubricants industry. Record-setting crude oil prices have driven a 20 percent rise in base oil costs (based on posted prices for Group I stocks) and also pushed up costs for chemical additives, transportation and packaging. The motor oil market took a double hit because of the adoption of a new passenger car motor oil standard, GF-4, which requires larger quantities of premium base oils and more expensive additive packages.
Several major motor oil marketers raised prices by upwards of 50 cents per gallon this year. Prior to last month’s announcement, ExxonMobil had imposed two increases, but in both cases exempted products such as packaged motor oils.
ILMA cried foul in late August, saying the company had engaged in unfair business practices by failing to raise finished lube prices despite repeated base oil markups. ExxonMobil is the largest base oil manufacturer in the United States and one of the market’s two largest finished lube producers, meaning that it is a base oil supplier for some of its competitors in markets for motor oils and other products.
ILMA accused the company of holding down finished lube prices in order to wrest market share. The association asked the U.S. Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission to investigate whether ExxonMobil’s pricing of finished lubes was anticompetitive. It also asked the agencies to revisit the commission’s 2000 approval of the Exxon-Mobil merger to consider if it allowed the company too much control of the base oil market.
ExxonMobil has maintained it does not use unfair trade practices but rather follows sound market principles in setting its prices.
The price hikes announced last month are the type of movement ILMA officials would have liked to have seen earlier. In an Oct. 15 letter to distributors, ExxonMobil said it will impose prices increases of 2 percent to 10 percent on selected passenger vehicle lubricants and greases sold under the Exxon and Mobil brands, effective Dec. 1. That amounts to markups of between 28 cents and 56 cents per gallon. The letter attributed the increases to higher expenses for raw materials and production, formulation changes and “changing market conditions.”
“From the ILMA perspective, we are quite pleased to see that ExxonMobil raised a portion of their product line to meet the increased raw materials costs that the industry has seen,” association President James A. Taglia told Lube Report. He added, though, that association members would still like to see similar increases in prices for industrial lubes. “We don’t fully understand why the increase does not apply to all products, since all products have had the same cost increases.”
Taglia and Leiter both speculated that ExxonMobil’s action was at least partly motivated by ILMA’s complaint, but the company said that was not the case.
“We make our own independent judgments on product pricing,” spokeswoman Barbara E. Leatherwood-Gomez said. As it has in the past, the company declined to discuss specifics about its prices, saying that antitrust laws prohibit it from doing so.
Leiter said ILMA has not received a formal response from the Justice Department or the trade commission and that the association will keep pursuing its complaints to try to keep ExxonMobil from holding down prices in the future.
“It still behooves ILMA to continue pushing the Justice Department and the FTC to review the matter, because we don’t know if it will happen again,” he said.
Boycott ExxonMobil
The company engaged in unfair business practices by failing to raise finished lube prices, keeping them below market, despite repeated base oil markups to gain false market share. I guess they can't compete in a fair and honest environment.
Boycott ExxonMobil
What they did was the same business practice as the Japanese and the steel market which cost my father his job. The japanese steel companies kept prices artificially low to drive their competition in the USA out of business.
Boycott ExxonMobil
ExxonMobil is no longer an American Company!
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12/01/2004
06:48:54
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Howard (are you certain that you are not Dontre from the Off Topic Board?)
Well, what can I add. It is unfortunate that Mobil felt that they (quote) "engaged in unfair business practices by failing to raise finished lube prices, keeping them below market, despite repeated base oil markups to gain false market share."
I knew something was up because they kept raising industrial prices on products such as hydrolic fluid ... and MY GASOLINE PRICES ... but were not raising their consumer retail prices on oil, etc.
ExxonMobil owns the world's largest private collection of oil and gas reserves. It is also the largest refiner, as well as the biggest private producer of natural gas.
I guess that is how they can unfairly "price fix".
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I have another ExxonMobil story for you Howard:
Exxon Mobil Being Probed (for BRIBING FOREIGN OFFICIALS)
Friday, August 6, 2004; Page E02
Exxon Mobil, the nation's largest oil company, has joined the list of petroleum firms under federal scrutiny for possible violation of securities law barring bribes to foreign officials. The company, which said it is cooperating fully, said it received a letter yesterday from the Securities and Exchange Commission requesting information from Exxon Mobil about transactions handled by Riggs Bank involving the company and the dictator of Equatorial Guinea and his family. The probe is part of a broader government review, including an inquiry by the Justice Department, into Riggs and its embassy accounts, particularly those involving Equatorial Guinea, former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet and Saudi Arabia.
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