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4/06/2004
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Bowtie-ZL1
Either oil is recommended for most Dakotas.
Most visitors to this site know how I feel about Amsoil Series 2000. Amsoil's SAE 5W-30 or 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oils are excellent oils and have shown to be almost the same quality as the Series 2000. IMHO ... Amsoil 10w-30 gives you the best bang for $$$, and it is the oil I use.
Amsoil Series 2000 0w-30 is the more shear stable of the two Amsoil formulations (SAE vs. Series 2000). The Series 2000 also reduces friction (better gas mileage -- fuel savings of approx 2%-3% in comparison to the 10w-30 in short trip driving), protects from heat and wear better, better engine cleanliness than the 5w-30 and 10w-30 due to higher detergency, better cold weather performance --- in any high performance application, --- and will provide the lowest oil consumption in older vehicles that are experiencing oil consumption problems.
Special note: Amsoil Series 2000 0w-30 can be used to in place of 5w-20/5w-30/10w-30 oils. I'd even recommend it in engines that come with 0w-40 or 5w-40 grades.
Either oil is fine. I use the less pricey of the two. If you drive your truck "hard" --- you might be happier with your choice of the Series 2000.
How about that. A salesman not trying to talk you into the higher priced oil ; - )
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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Bowtie-ZL1
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4/06/2004
06:52:42
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Thank you for your comments.
Now I feel better, had me worried for a minute.
I choose the Series 2000 for the type of driving that I do.
I live in the ATL. area. Traffic is horrible.
I can be driving along at 80mph then can be in stop and go traffic for the next 45 min. then back to 80 then stop and go for the another 30 min. Plays havoc on oil and cooling sytems.
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4/06/2004
08:05:06
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Bowtie-ZL1,
I know all too well the Atlanta driving nightmare.
I was born and raised in Valdosta, Georgia ... and
my sister lives in Atlanta. I have been to Atlanta
dozens of times.
How 'bout sending me a burger w/ fries from The Varsity!
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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Darryl
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4/06/2004
11:36:33
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Steve:
You said that "I" was quoting the starting grades of the oil....Again?????
In YOUR earlier post YOU spoke of Mobil 1 filters being ONLY suitable for Mobil 1 oil due to their viscosity being on the thin side.
I was hoping for a reply and an explanation on your most rediculous comment.
But in as usual Amsoil marketing, you skip over the facts and redirect the conversation to something that you're comfortable with.
Again, now is the time to explain why if Mobil 1 filters can only be used with M1 oil, then which M1 oil??
0w-20
5w-30
10w-30
0w-40
15w-50
They ALL have different starting viscosities, so which one??
I assume what you're saying is M1 10w-30 is around 10cSt @ 100c which is considered on the thin side of a 30wt oil, and other oils might be 11-12.5cSt @ 100c, correct??
So, my point is Mobil also makes a 50wt oil and their filters work fine with that weight. So if their filters were so restictive than why don't they say to "use only with 0w-20 oil and nothing thicker"?
This is why I will never by your product, not because it's inferior, but because of how you market your product.
Darryl
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DakotaEnthusiast
4/06/2004
12:32:54
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I never stated that Mobil1 filters being ONLY suitable for Mobil1 oil.
Clarification of what I was trying to say ...
Since the Dakota recommendation is for an 0w-30/5w-30/10w-30 ... I was referring to those. I meant to state that if someone was using Mobil1 (meaning one of the above viscosities) ... then they should definitely consider using Mobil1 filters -- as you know --- Mobil1 30 wt. oils are a bit thin --- still within grade --- but a bit thin. Because of it's thin nature, the Mobil1 filter is the better matchup.
On the other hand, some of the Mobil1 40 wt. oils thin out and then thicken up. Unstable characteristics.
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WipLash
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4/06/2004
13:25:48
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Hmmm,
I've always used M1 oil, but I have noticed that if I try to go 4 or 5K to an oil change the oil pressure drops off. I'm assuming that's viscosity break down. I only had this problem on the 4.7L. None of my 3.9/5.2/5.9 trucks did this. I could go 5K on them with no drop in oil pressure. Because my 4.7L had problems maintaining oil pressure going beyond 3K on M1, I started changing the oil sooner on all my vehicles.
I may give Amsoil a try to see if I can go back to changing my oil every 5K.
If I can double the interval between oil changes it will pay for itself.
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Bowtie-ZL1
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4/06/2004
19:47:07
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AmsoilSponsor,
I love the Varsity! Eat it now, taste it tomorrow :-)
Burgers have gotten smaller over the years though.
Thanks for the information!
I have the oil and filters might change it tomorrow.
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Lurkin
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4/07/2004
09:03:52
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Two questions:
1) Wip, where was the pressure drop-off? Was it at idle, high RPM, or across the range.
2) AmsoilGuy, can you provide more info on the M1 viscosity break-down that you refer to? Does it mean a 5W-30 oil becomes 20 weight, 15W-20, 30 weight, etc.
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Darryl
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4/07/2004
11:50:37
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Lurkin:
Go to:
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php
This is a great site, use the search feature and start learning.
Mobil 1 holds its viscosity very well throughout the life of the oil.
Mobil 1 blends its starting viscosity on the "thin" side of the scale, but still within grade.
An oil to be considered a SAE 30wt must have a measured viscosity (cSt) @ 100 degrees C between a minimum of 9.3cSt and a maximum of 12.5cSt.
Mobil 1 10w-30 is 10.0cSt @ 100 C, so you can see that "some" think it starts out on the thin side.
Darryl
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trainer
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4/07/2004
12:51:09
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daryl u talk strange techno garble that nobody can understand unless he is a oil-techno-engineer-geek.
I would prob guess that mobil1 is some watery crapola when compared to other hi-er quality synthetic motor oils. How else could they sell it at wally world for approx. $3/qt and still make enough money to advertise everywhere and sponsor racecars. also there must be a hefty markup at the retail store so the true cost is prob $2/qt
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Darryl
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4/07/2004
13:05:41
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You go to all the trouble to post garbage like that, but you won't go to the web site I gave you and learn for yourself????
Keep mouth shut and look stupid, or open mouth and remove all doubt.
Darryl
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Lurkin
Dodge Dakota
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4/07/2004
13:10:16
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Darryl, thanks for the response. It was helpful. While I have been to the site you refer to, I don't spend much time there.
I would still like to hear if this is the data that the AmsoilSponsor is referring to though.
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WipLash
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4/07/2004
13:29:38
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I noticed about a 5psi drop at cruising around 70mph and about a 10psi drop at idle after 3K on M1.
Stranger than that was the jump in fuel mileage around 3,000-3,500 miles. If I left the oil in there another 1,000-1,500 miles the gas mileage would fall way off. That sudden drop in fuel mileage would happen somewhere around 4,700 miles. I can't explain the increase in fuel mileage at 3,200 or the drastic drop in fuel mileage at 4,700. I ususally got 16.5mpg. At 3,200 miles my gas mileage would jump to over 18mpg and then at around 4,700 it would drop back down to below 15mpg.
The M1 is a good oil in my opinion, but it is unstable, for lack of better words. It gets the job done better than most of the other brands.
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DakotaEnthusiast
4/07/2004
13:37:24
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To prove my statements, I would have to post dozens of Mobil1 Used Oil Analysis results that I have read. Posting this is easier.
AMSOIL INC. set out to examine the specifics of the overly broad “Nothing Outperforms...” Mobil1 claim. AMSOIL 5w-30 Synthetic Motor Oil (ASL) and Mobil 1 SuperSyn 5w-30 Motor Oil were analyzed in five key bench tests measuring motor oil performance: NOACK volatility, flash/fire point, pour point, four ball wear and total base number (TBN). AMSOIL outperformed Mobil 1 in all five areas.
For comparisons and this discussion I will post the following:
The NOACK Volatility Test determines the evaporation loss of lubricants in high-temperature service. The more motor oils vaporize, the thicker and heavier they become, contributing to poor circulation, reduced fuel economy, increased oil consumption and excessive wear and emissions. A maximum of 15 percent evaporation loss is allowable to meet the API SL and ILSAC GF-3 specifications. As shown in the graph, AMSOIL 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil lost an extremely low 4.9 percent of its original weight during high-temperature service, maintaining its superior protective and performance qualities,while Mobil 1 SuperSyn 5W-30 Motor Oil lost 9.17 percent of its original weight.
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Mr.Sleepy
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4/07/2004
15:04:26
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Let me know when Amsoil sells a quart of Syn at 1.80 msrp. Until that time I can't afford $30 for oil and $10-12 for a filter.
Just a ole'hard head I guess...
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Lurkin
Dodge Dakota
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4/07/2004
15:12:14
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Steven, let me know if I am interpretting this correctly, but the answer to my question is that M1 will become a heavier weight oil as it "destabilizes". In comparison to Amsoil anyway.
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Darryl
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4/07/2004
15:55:54
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Lurkin:
I don't know where you call home, but I live in the So Cal desert, 5 miles from Willow Springs Race Way.
It gets real hot, real quick, 100+ degrees F from May 1st thru Oct 1st.
I have been using the Mobil 1 0W-40 for awhile now and so far it's great. MPG is the same as any synthetic 10W-30 that I've used (18-20MPG). Seat of the pants dyno says I've lost zero power and my ear says the motor runs smoother & more quietly from start up to hot operating temp.
I will be doing a used oil analysis (UOA) @ 5,000 miles to check wear.
The Mobil 0W-40 meets alot of standards both here (USA) and Europe. SL; GF-3; ACEA A/3 B/4 are the main requirements it meets, but there are more.
As far as I know, it's the only xW-40 weight to be "energy conserving" and A/3 (extended drain). There might be a few other 40wt oils, Steve might know more.
I know our Daks call for xW-30 oil, but for my hot/cold enviorment Mobil 1 0W-40 gives the best of both worlds.
Cold start flow & high temp protection while going 5,000+ miles easily, and it's easy to find at a moments notice.
Plus your MPG won't suffer, (I have the data with over 7,200 miles on my Dak with M1 0W-40 to back it up!!)
Darryl
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DakotaEnthusiast
4/07/2004
16:27:04
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Yes, A lower Noack Volatility helps reduce oil consumption and oxidative thickening.
I can understand why this is confusing.
Noack number tells us what percentage of the weight is lost under a high temperature test condition. The bigger the number -- the higher weight loss -- and you may expect higher oil consumption from the oil that has bigger Noack number.
Volatility is a measure of how much the oil vaporizes.
This means that a quickly vaporizing oil will need:
- to be changed more often
- that the oil will thicken to a higher viscosity
... because the more volatile components (of "low viscosity") of the base oil have left the oil, leaving behind the thicker and more viscous components.
Still my comment of "Mobil1 30 wt. oils are a bit thin --- still within grade --- but a bit thin." still holds true.
And ... my earlier comment ... "some of the Mobil1 40 wt. oils thin out and then thicken up. Unstable characteristics." ... is also explained.
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Lurkin
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4/07/2004
16:45:15
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Darryl, let me start by saying that I switched from 3000mile dino changes to 6000 mile M1 changes 10,000miles ago (02 4.7 auto QC). I have not seen the behavior that Wiplash talks about, but I haven't been watching the pressures that close. My milage has not decreased as the M1 ages.
I'm just trying to ensure that I understand Wip's experiences and AmsoilSponsor's comments that try to explain it. I'm in the Houston area where it stays 85+ for 8+ months of the year.
Just seeking to understand, as I have not been totally sure that extending my drains to 6K with M1 is a good thing or not.
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Darryl
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4/07/2004
16:54:10
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Mobil 1 0W-40 is factory fill in ALL Porsche vehicles, turbo included.
So, I guess either Porsche doesn't know what the hell they're doing, or this is a very good oil.
You guys can be your own judge.
Darryl
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