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01Motorsport
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4/01/2004
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The oil companies are about to reach into your wallet again. Any excuse to raise prices more than necessary. It's easier to ask forgiveness than do the right thing. Unfortunately, this news doesn't apppear to be an April Fool's Joke. Anyway, "All in favor of fuel conservation raise your right foot!".
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JES
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4/01/2004
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GOOD!!!! I hope they cut production more. Anyone notice that the traffic on the parkway is much less than a year ago? Sweet. Once it gets to about $4.25 a gallon, I should be able to cut my 45 minute commute down to about 25 minutes.
Eric -- http://photos.yahoo.com/jes_96
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CThomp
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4/01/2004
09:11:30
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Makes me want to go out and buy a Ford Excursion. Ah yeah.
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Nitro Junkie
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4/01/2004
09:29:43
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these guys are crooks ! I look forward to the day when a majority of vehicles run on hydrogen , etc.... And gasoline used for leisure driving (ie Hot rods, racing etc.)
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deerridge
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4/01/2004
10:26:32
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Hydrogen is a hot fuel. It might make everything run like nitrous in the gas when perfected. The Space Shuttle ain't slow. Gas engines have been around for over a hundred years. Its time for a clean update anyway. The auto makers best get it together. Its coming.
Real Horsepower
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CThomp
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4/01/2004
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Who do you think will own the hydrogen companies Nitro Junkie? The oil companie will own them. Oil companies don't just deal in oil. They deal in other petroleum products, natural gas, solar, wind, and soon Hydrogen. Oil companies=energy companies.
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Bob Backlund
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4/01/2004
11:59:01
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Makes me want to trade my V8 Dak for a 3.9. Just Kidding....
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Jeff
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4/01/2004
11:59:45
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opec is not the oil companies you morons!
opec is Algeria, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Venezuela, getting together to form a monopolistic regime that has the power to control worldwide oil prices.
they cut production, spot market buyers of crude oil go nuts and pay more for reduced inventories, and oil comanies pass the incresed costs along to their cutomers.
several solutions are available:
the spot market buyers could form their own union and agree to not bid above each other, thereby holding the price at a reasonable level despite decreased supply.
the billionaire oil companies could pressure opec nations to stop f!@#ing with our oil supply.
the government could pressure thte opec nations, or even impose sanctions relative to the cost level of oil.
we could assasinate the opec nations' oil ministers.
we as a nation could stop buying any opec oil.
we could drill for oil in our own country and avoid opec. yes, this means drilling in alaska.
we could all "conserve at the pump" as many would like us to, regardless of the fact that we live in a free nation where one should be allowed to use as much fuel as he wishes to without fear of affection the national economy.
we could produse highly inneficient, ugly, hugely expensive alternative fuel vehicles that don't go far enough.
we could stop blaming the oil companies for protecting their profit margins for just long enough to see that opec is the one that is really hurting us, that gass prices were fine until opec decided to start cutting production.
so, now that you are informed, go forth into this crazy world we live in and vote for drilling in alaska to end america's dependence on foreign nations for oil and economic health.
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deerridge
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4/01/2004
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It takes money and investment to start any new technology. That leaves alot of chances for new guys to get in with new ideas and direct that money to better ways of doing things. The oil company's don't care what they make money on. They just want to make money. It'll be interesting, but it will happen. Fossil fuels have a limited life span. Cut off the need for oil and the Arabs will implode on themselves. Should be "interesting".
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ummm
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4/01/2004
13:25:45
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Hydrogen is not a petroleum product. The best source of Hydrogen is...water. You know, good ole H20. The cost of extracting the Hydrogen molecules from water is the limiting factor today, but the discrepancy lessens each time oil goes up. The comparison to the space shuttle is totally invalid though. Hydrogen powered vehicles would not be liquid hydrogen/liquid oxygen rockets. They would be hydrogen fuel cells, which create modest horsepower but are clean and effecient (the only discharge is water vapor)I would miss having internal combustion engines, especially motorcycles, but personally, if we could cripple OPEC and therefor Al-Queda and all the other terrorists..I'm all for it.
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Mr.Sleepy
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4/01/2004
13:28:42
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The best solution I've ever heard of is....
For every hike in oil, America should hike the price of drugs and food goods to the middle east. The middle eastern opec nations can barely produce enough food and materials to keep itself surviving on its own, just jack the price of goods and services to the opec nations of things they cant make themselves. Then use the additional profits to supply the states with cash and lower the state gas tax which is about 51 cents a gallon here in michigan.
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JES
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4/01/2004
13:34:33
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Gas/Oil prices are determined by the market. Until the price reaches the point of diminishing returns, the price should increase. If you could sell just as much oil for three times the price, wouldn't you? Free Enterprise ... that's what it's all about. Now ... I gotta get back to my Hydrogen Powered DAK prototype. :oP
Eric -- http://photos.yahoo.com/jes_96
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01Motorsport
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4/01/2004
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I read an article last week that said that gas prices would have to approach $3/gallon before Americans would consider more fuel-efficient vehicles than what they now own. Hang on to those R/T's; just fewer full-throttle blasts..LOL.
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99DAK
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4/01/2004
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Jeff-
The US consumes about 12 million barrels of oil per day, over half of which comes from OPEC countries. ANWR (Arctic National Wildlife Refuge) could, according to the DOE, supply about 1 million bbls/day. And if they started today this oil wouldn't be online for at least 5 years. So please explain how ANWR oil is going to "end america's dependence on foreign nations for oil"?
As to your other "solutions", I assume you were joking. By behaving exactly like good 'ol American capitalists, OPEC hasn't violated any international laws, and they certainly aren't subject to US anti-trust laws. So forget about your sanctions.
"we could assasinate the opec nations' oil ministers."
Oh, now there's a brilliant plan.
" we as a nation could stop buying any opec oil."
Equally amusing (and ridiculous).
Oddly enough, conservation and alternative energy are the only realistic choices. The world is going to be out of oil, according to most credible estimates, in 36-50 years, whether we like it or not.
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gottaluvit
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4/01/2004
18:19:30
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NASA hydrogen technology ? Doesn't NASA stand for
Need
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Seven
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4/01/2004
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I'VE RAISED MY GAS PRODUCTION BY 10% COULD BE ALL THOSE PEPPERED TURKEY SANDWHICHES I EAT HUH?
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WipLash
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4/01/2004
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. I guess there's nothing we can do about it, but I think I have an idea that would work. The problem would be getting everyone to participate. Here it goes....
We have to have gasoline. Therefore we can't quit buying it. We can boycott certain manufactures. If everyone would quit buying gas at Exxon/Mobile for about 3 months they would be forced to lower their gas prices. Then everyone could buy from them and boycott Citgo or Fina. Then Citco would have to lower their prices to compete with Exxon and you would spark a GAS WAR.
It would only work if you could convince everyone to do it.
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Levey
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4/02/2004
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Possibly, doubtfull..first off the gasoline manufacturers mix their products more than you think. A lot of stations get their fuel from other company refineries if its territorial closer or cheaper..(ie. the shell station may get the same fuel as the Quiktrip or Mobil down the road).
This happens even more frequently now that the US is divided up into specialty fuel markets..such as the low-emissions fuel in STL metro, chicago area, california...all use different formulas of gas.
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deerridge
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4/02/2004
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Back on the hydrogen thing. Fuel cell technology is what I was pointing too. The shuttle analogy was just a power point. Bush, remember him?, was pushing it awhile back as a coming thing in maybe ten years. The exhaust of course from a burning hydrogen is the H2O you get the hydrogen from. The cost of extracting hydrogen from water through electrolsis is high but renewable (hydro electric, solar, nuclear)closed circle. Screw OPEC and the camel they can be riding in the future.
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CThomp
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4/02/2004
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I still think biodiesel is a big way out of this mess.
Imagine what that would do for your fuel consumption if you were able to cut it by half. If your Dak could get around 40mpg on the highway. The engines have already been built. Detroit diesel has one (4.0L V6 215-235h.p.) and Cummins (4.2L V6 250h.p.). Both engines have gobbs of torque. Cummins tests showed like a 60% improvement in fuel economy over the 5.9L Gas V8. The test vehicles weighed over 5000lbs. Imagine how that engine would performe in a 4000lb Dak?
Once diesel (hopefully low sulfur soon) mixed with a biodiesel agent is run in the engine, say a B20 mix, the emmissions are even significantly less. Running straight biodiesel is even possible given the diesel engine is set up properly to do so.
We already have to technology to start moving away from Mideast oil. Politics hold things up.
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WipLash
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4/02/2004
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There are a group of college students that have already done the bio-conversion. They are running Deisel VW Rabbits, Golfs, and Gettas on Peanut oil. They take discarded Peanut oil from places like KFC and use it for fuel. They run the engine long enough on Diesel to get the combustion chamber good and hot and then they switch over to peanut/vegitable oil. One guy has been running his for 2 years now.
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