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dak 04
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3/18/2004
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do you recommend going to synthetic oil in a 2004 dak? i plan on keeping it for a while so i want the best for it. will it really make any difference ?when is the best time to change over? before or after the first oil change is due? thanks.
dak04
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3/18/2004
22:31:08
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Regarding the use of Synthetic Motor Oils in brand new (or rebuilt) engines, it is recommended, however not mandatory, that the motor be initially operated with the "factory fill oil" until its first normal drain interval.
The advantages of doing this are as follows.
New engines or engine components generate high wear metals to begin with and may contain debris from machining and assembly. It is more beneficial to allow these wear metals to collect in an inexpensive motor oil than to circulate throughout the crankcase for extended periods in a premium synthetic motor oil. By operating the vehicle to its first drain interval with "factory fill", these wear metals and manufacturing debris collect in the oil and are then flushed out of the crankcase when drained. This allows for a much cleaner operating environment for the synthetic lubricant.
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rich
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3/18/2004
22:37:05
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AmsoilSponsor,
I was told to not use synthetic oils until after 25,000 to 30,000 miles. I looked through my manual, and the section about synthetic oil section says to refer to the maintaince schedule, which doesn't even mention synthetic oils.
Is there a recommended milage that you should drive before switching to synthetic?
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3/18/2004
22:50:49
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Rich,
Someone lied to you.
Many vehicles come "factory fill' with synthetic lubes.
Run "factory fill oil" until the first normal drain interval.
Your manual probably states 3,000 miles.
Personally, my first oil change has always been at 1,000 miles.
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rich
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3/18/2004
22:53:15
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I just change my oil @ 9000 miles (3rd change)
Would it be ok to switch to synthetic @ 12,000?
What steps need to be taken? Just the usual steps.
i.e.
1: drain oil
2: change filter
3: fill oil
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dak04
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3/18/2004
22:59:45
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thanks for you replies all.
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3/18/2004
23:00:41
| Synthetic Oil Myths - Free Amsoil Catalog
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While we are at it ... Let's put to bed some of the objections you will hear concerning the use of synthetic engine lubricants (some are old debates ... some are new ... most are old wives tales and grumpy old men that only understood "crude" oil):.
Plus, most of these "MYTHS" started many years ago when Synthetic oils were a novelty. now Synthetic oils are on every shelf and even "Factory Fill".
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Myth #1: Synthetic motor oils damage seals
Untrue. It would be foolhardy for lubricant manufacturers to build a product that is incompatible with seals. The composition of seals presents problems that both petroleum oils and synthetics must overcome. Made from elastomers, seals are inherently difficult to standardize. Ultimately it is the additive mix in the oil that counts. Additives to control seal swell, shrinkage and hardening are required, whether it be a synthetic or petroleum product that is being produced.
Myth #2: Synthetics are too thin to stay in the engine
Untrue. In order for a lubricant to be classified in any SAE grade (10W-30, 10W-40, etc) it has to meet certain guidelines with regard to viscosity ("thickness"). For example, it makes no difference whether it is 10W-40 petroleum or 10W-40 synthetic, at -25 degrees centigrade (-13F) and 100 degrees centigrade (212 degrees F) that oil has to maintain a standardized viscosity or it can't be rated a 10W-40.
Myth #3: Synthetics cause cars to use more oil
Untrue. Synthetic motor oils are intended to use in mechanically sound engines, that is, engines that don't leak. In such engines oil consumption will actually be reduced. First, because of the lower volatility of synlubes. Second, because of the better sealing characteristics between piston rings and cylinder walls. And finally, because of the superior oxidation stability (i.e. resistance of synthetics against reacting with oxygen at high temperatures.)
Myth #4: Synthetic lubricants are not compatible with petroleum
Untrue. The synthesized hydrocarbons, polyalphaolefins, diesters and other materials that form the base stocks of high quality name brand synthetics are fully compatible with petroleum oils. In the old days, some companies used untested ingredients that were not compatible, causing quality synthetic lubricants to suffer a bad reputation. Fortunately, those days are long gone. Compatibility is something to keep in mind, however, whether using petroleum oils or synthetics. It is usually best to use the same oil for topping off that you have been running in the engine. That is, it is preferable to not mix your oils, even if it is Valvoline or Quaker State you are using. The reason is this: the functions of additives blended for specific characteristics can be offset when oils with different additive packages are put together. For optimal performance, it is better to use the same oil throughout.
Myth #5: Synthetic lubricants produce sludge
Untrue. In point of fact, synthetic motor oils are more sludge resistant than their petroleum counterparts, resisting the effects of high temperatures and oxidation. In the presence of high temperatures, two things happen. First, an oil's lighter ingredients boil off, making the oil thicker. Second, many of the complex chemicals found naturally in petroleum base stocks begin to react with each other, forming sludge, gums and varnishes. One result is a loss of fluidity at low temperatures, slowing the timely flow of oil to the engine for vital engine protection. Further negative effects of thickened oil include the restriction of oil flow to critical areas, greater wear and loss of fuel economy. Because of their higher flash points, and their ability to withstand evaporation loss and oxidation, synthetics are much more resistant to sludge development.
Myth #6: Synthetics can't be used with catalytic converters or oxygen sensors
Untrue. In fact the very low ash content of synthetics will extend the life of every exhaust system component.
Myth #7: Synthetics void warranties
Untrue. No major manufacturer of automobiles specifically bans the use of synthetic lubricants. In point of fact, increasing numbers of high performance cars are arriving on the showroom floors with synthetic motor oils as factory fill. Which may not make the dealers too happy since oil changes usually lead to other service work.
Myth #8: Synthetics last forever
Untrue. Although some experts feel that synthetic base stocks themselves can be used forever, it is well known that eventually the additives will falter and cause the oil to require changing. However, by "topping off", additives can be replenished. Through good filtration and periodic oil analysis, synthetic motor oils protect an engine for lengths of time far beyond the capability of non synthetics. Amsoil's unique additives packages allow for extended drain intervals.
Myth #9: Synthetics are too expensive
Untrue. Tests and experience have proven that synthetics can greatly extend drain intervals, provide better fuel economy, reduce engine wear and enable vehicles to operate with greater reliability. All these elements combine to make synthetic engine lubricants more economical than conventional non synthetics. In Europe, synthetics have enjoyed increasing acceptance as car buyers look first to performance and long term value rather than initial price. As more sophisticated technology places greater demands on today's motor oils, we will no doubt see an increasing re-evaluation of oil buying habits in this country as well.
There are other MYTHS and non-truths circulating the forums, garages, and race tracks. The nine above are just a few that I wanted to address.
Conclusions
Since their inception, manufacturers of synthetic motor oils have sought to educate the public about the facts regarding synthetics, and the need for consumers to make their lubrication purchasing decisions based on quality rather than price. As was the case with microwave ovens or electric lights, a highly technological improvement must often overcome a fair amount of public skepticism and consumer inertia before it is embraced by the general population. But the word has been getting out as a growing number of motorists worldwide experience the benefits of synthetic lubrication. The wave of the future, in automobile lubrication, is here, and Amsoil has lead the march, recently celebrating their 30th year in business. For the environmental enthusiasts, the use of synthetics could reduce waste oil disposal by 80%, so if environment is your thing, then synthetic lubricants should be your choice.
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kj
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3/18/2004
23:46:36
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I switched at 500 miles. I don't know where these old wives tales come from concerning waiting for 5,000 miles or however many.
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Killthebunny
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3/19/2004
01:44:59
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So all said and done what is the recommended interval
between oil changes when using synthetic?
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3/19/2004
06:31:27
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Go to the following site under the Car And Truck Gas Engine Oil forum:
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php
State which Engine you have and how your going to drive it. Ask what oil and drain interval they recommend. Someone will help you out.
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jp
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3/19/2004
06:44:42
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Why don't you answer questions rather than
give a link to another forum?
I went to that forum before and all they did was
provide me with more internal links. Nothing was
ever resolved.
That forum is a bunch of boneheads that think they
know everything, but they can't even agree.
I searched their site.
If you listen to them every oil is the best and the worst.
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dak04
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3/19/2004
07:15:10
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thanks for all the replies. that amsoil oil is new to me, never heard of it, can u buy it in canada?
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3/19/2004
08:43:14
| Amsoil Synthetic Oil and Canada Distribution
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jp,
Let's play nice. BITOG is a great site but I agree that in many cases they over analyze everything.
dak04,
Yes,
Amsoil has been a provider of Premium Synthetic Lubricants for over 30 years.
Yes, Amsoil is available in Canada.
CANADA AMSOIL DISTRIBUTION CENTERS
Toronto, ON, 6625 Tomken Rd., Units 12-14, Mississauga, ON L5T 2C2
Edmonton, AB, 14543-121 A Ave., Edmonton, AB T5L 2T2
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Independent Amsoil Dealers are located across the country -- in all 50 states, Puerto Rico, Canada, and New Zealand. Amsoil has no interest in competing for the "big-box" shelf space (i.e. Walmart), but if you want to buy Amsoil retail ... specialty "Performance" stores are a good place to start your search.
Amsoil is usually purchased through an Independent Amsoil Dealer (via catalog or their website) but if you want to find it on-the-shelf in your area ... one way is to check the Yellow Pages under automotive lubrication and/or oil. Word-Of-Mouth at a local track may also help you find Amsoil Products in a local store.
If you can't find it locally, I would appreciate the opportunity to be your Amsoil Dealer and help you in every way possible. Support an advertiser (me) that supports and advertises on one of your favorite sites ... www.DodgeDakotas.com ?
Again, the benefits of ordering via catalog ... you can become a Preferred Customer and save between 20% and 25% across the board on all retail prices ... basically buying at the same wholesale prices as an Amsoil Dealer.
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Amsoil Preferred Customer Memberships are recommended for people who want the lowest possible prices on the best lubrication and filtration products for their vehicles and equipment. Preferred Customers pay the same low prices for Amsoil products that Amsoil Dealers pay.
Ten dollars ($10) gets you a six-month trial Amsoil Preferred Customer membership for buying Amsoil products at wholesale prices. Preferred Customer memberships may be renewed indefinitely for only $20/year. Preferred Customers can upgrade their membership to an Amsoil Dealership at any time. Preferred Customers receive an information kit on AMSOIL products, an Air and Oil Filter Application Guide, and the monthly Amsoil product, racing and application magazine, the Amsoil Action News.
If you and your family purchase $100 or more each year this will save you money.
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Amsoil is more than Synthetic Lubrication. We also carry Hastings Filters, BOSCH Plugs, Wire Sets, and Wiper Blades.
Amsoil also has the Altrum Division which includes AGGRAND Organic Fertilizer, Altrum Vitamins and Nutritional Supplements, Water Filtration, and Detergents ... all of which you can order at a discount with the SAME "Preferred Customer" status.
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W. Sikorski
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3/19/2004
21:56:27
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I've been running Mobil1 5w30 and Mobil1 oil filters in my 2000 QC, 4.7 4x4 since my first oil change at 3k. Currently have 53k on it.
Did the same thing to my 2004 Jeep Liberty.
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