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another mark
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What do you guys think of this product that you add to your
oil and run your engine for about 10 minutes (in the garage)
and then drain out with your oil to clean your engine? I
wonder if this stuff is good or bad?
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.boB
Dodge Dakota
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17:30:25
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Depends on the engine. If you've done regular maintenace with quality oil since the vehicle had fairly low miles on it, then you shouldn't need it. If the engine has had poor maintenance or has used cheap oil, it might be helpfull to bring the oil pressure back up.
One consideration is that it will break loose the atherosclerotic plaques and cause your engine to have a stroke.
Personally, I wouldn't use it if the engine is running good and has good pressure.
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Dont
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18:15:31
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engine flush is just colored diesel fuel
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GoLookAtThis
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This is a better product...
http://www.auto-rx.com/
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Jeff G
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The typical motor flushes are either Diesel Fuel or Kerosene, depending on the brand. If your motor was well maintained, then you don't need them (typically). If your motor is clogging up with oil deposits, these flushes will probably help clean the deposits, but you might find that the deposits are the only thing keeping the motor from leaking. I've seen more than 1 motor that was flushed come into the shop for a front or rear main seal replacement. Just my 2 cents.
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jeremiah2360
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The motors needed seals because the flush washed away the crud but didn`t do anything for the seals themselves. AUTO-RX cleans over an extended time and reconditions seals. I bet AUTO-RX could of stopped those leaks even after they happened. I`ll be using it every other year starting this spring. Good stuff IMHO.
03 qc 4.7 auto 4x4 25k
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Jeff G
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2/02/2004
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No argument there, Jeremiah. When seals leak after an engine has been flushed, it's usually because the crud on the crankshaft that was caked up against the seal caused damage to the seal. When the crud gets washed away, there is now a big, open hole for the oil to leak out.
With regular use, a seal conditioner may work fine, but no chemical will permanently fix physical damage.
If someone was to use a flush on an annual basis, then there would most likely never be a problem. It's when someone who has a lot of miles on the motor and then decides to flush the system that the leaks appear. I would never do a flush on my truck at this point. With 233K on the clock, and the engine never having had a flush, I would expect my seals to leak badly.
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Dr. D
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2/02/2004
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AMSOIL offers a great product to help clean the internals of your engine (AMSOIL engine flush).
It does not smell like diesel fuel or kerosene and it has worked very well for me.
Dr. D
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jrr
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2/02/2004
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two letters
B.G.
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2/02/2004
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Re: Auto-RX (www.auto-rx.com)
I have recommended it multiple times on this site.
IMHO, it is the best flush on the market.
From my personal knowledge and per their website, Auto-Rx is a synthetic, biodegradable, highly effective, safe metal cleaner. Auto-RX is gentle, slow acting, and thorough. I know many vehicle owners that have used it and no one has reported any problems.
Auto-RX is inert in your oil,it does not negatively affect any aspect of your host oil except to clean and disburse crud to the oil filter. There are no negatives associated with it's use. Auto-RX was developed as an alternative to solvents for a slower non hazardous alternative that does not deplete, but ends up disbursing the crud in a very small form ... small enough to flow by bearings etc.
If anyone decides to use this Auto-RX product ...
(For the record ... I do not sell it)
... FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS RELIGIOUSLY.
I wish that I sold it ... but it is a proprietary product.
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another mark
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2/02/2004
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Thanks for the great info guys! Eye opening.
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nevrflush
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2/03/2004
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im sure your oil pump will love all the dirt that flushes off your internals . Jamm city! Seen it happen! Ask a good engine builder and he'll tell ya to never flush anything!
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marke
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nevrflush
If the owner performed regular maintenance there should not be such a buildup that he should worry. The filter will catch everything that should be caught. I know experts that flush engines. No Problems.
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nevrflush
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2/03/2004
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uuuuuhhhhh, the filter is AFTER the oil pump! Man, I wouldnt go to your "expert" engine builder! Use your brain. Sludge can happen in any engine, and theres dirt in ALL engines, You are better off to leave it alone. Never would I put anything in that cuts the oil.Hey Another Mark, I would get more opinions if I were you to see if Imm telling the truth or just blowing smoke. That flushing stuff out can be a nightmare. If your talking about the 4.7's drainback holes being too small and plugged, then I would pull the valve covers off and the intake off and flush it out right with a parts brush and 10 gallons of diesel fuel. No way I would "flush the engine thru the oil galleries. P.S. Dont think you need to flush a 4.7 just because there is a little sludge in the fill tube, they ALL do that. Mine has had mobil 1 since 1700 miles and it is change regularly and it even has a little.
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ZPosey
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2/06/2004
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You may think about running a oil change or two with a good diesel & gas API certified oil. The diesel oils have more detergents and would probably clean slowly unlike the flush. I am not positive, but if you are worried about non-oil cleaners, I think this might be an option. Any thoughts?
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R/TBlues
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I flush my engine. I don't do it to physically clean the block or remove any sludge. I do it to make the old oil drain from the block faster. I warm the engine up, drain about a quart of oil out and poor about a quart of diesel in and let it run for just a few minutes to mix with the oil good. This thins the oil to the point were less of it clings to the engines internals. Now when you drain your old oil and put in the new oil your new oil will stay cleaner longer. I go almost the full 3000 miles before my oil turns dark. At 2000 miles you can still see through my oil.
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nevrflush
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yeah and the diesel also washes off oil on internals like bearings and camshafts and other high pressure surface area parts.....your nuts! That IS the purpose of oil in the first place. OUCH!
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R/TBlues
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Nevrflush,
Diesel is oil you moron!
The only way you can "WASH" all of the oil off the bearings and cylinders is to run a solvent through it. I'm simply thining the oil with a thinner oil so that it drains better and there is less residue left in the block to mix with the new oil I'm putting in.
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nevrflush
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diesel is an oil. Im not a moron. Diesel is NOT a crankcase lubricant. Your doing more harm han good. But I aint got a nickel in it. What is it with you R/T Blues. everyone that doesnt btow to your inferior mechanical knowledge is a moron, a chevy whore, ect, ect. A Ive had discussions with you on different post and its the same old crap. Enjoy your loose clearaces and crank gouges. You think you are Mr. Mopar with your ironhead full framed sherman tank of a vehicle..... a real mopar would beat those two ton sleds with flat tires..I know...I got one. you might as well put a 360 in a 4 door fury or imperial and race it
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R/TBlues
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What are you talking about? Full frame 2-ton sled??? If your calling my R/T a 2-ton sled you'll get no arguement from me on that. It's a F**KING truck! How many engines have you ever tore down and miked with a set of micrometers? I've done several. The 383 I pulled from my Charger had 138,000 miles on it. It was my dad's car orignially. We had always flushed the engine prior to the oil change. I dropped a 440 in it so I wouldn't blow-up the numbers matching original engine. Because I was storing the engine, I tore it down and packed everything in grease. Everything I miked was in specs. There were no scars on any bearings. The engine was 20 years old at the time and had never had the valve covers off it. I think if diesel was going to do any damage to an engine it would have done it in 138,000 miles. My 1989 TURBO SHADOW I bought used with 30,000 miles on it in 1991 blew a head gasket in 1999. When I pulled the head on it I miked the bores. They were all in spec and there was no scarring. I dropped the oil pan and pulled all 4 pistons and rods out of the engine so I could re-ring it with GapLess rings and I put new rod bearings in it. All 4 rod journals were in tolerance according to Dodges manual for the 2.2L. That engine had 188,000 miles on it when I blew the head gasket. I sold that car in 2000 and it is still running oday. It has over 250,000 miles on it. It still has the ORIGINAL TURBO!!! No one has ever done that in a 2.2L Turbo. I credit the life of that engine and it's turbo to the ENGINE FLUSHING I did to it for 9 straight years. There's no other explanation. I drove the SH!T out of that car. I have 6 broken right front axles and 3 clutches to proove it.
Have you ever checked the oil in a Diesel? Do it some day, MORON! Wipe the dipstick with your finger and then smell it. It smells just like DIESEL. There's a reason for that. It is contaminated with DIESEL. Has that ever caused a DIESEL engine to fail? NO. Diesels typically outlast gas burners. Why, because they don't have GAS washing the oil off the cylinder walls. Gas is a SOLVENT. Diesel is an OIL. You rarely ever see any scaring in the cylinder bores of a DIESEL. You flood a gas engine and you wash the oil off the rings. You flood a Diesel engine and you've done no harm. Don't talk about crap you obviously no nothing about.
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R/TBlues
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By the way.... I am Mr. Mopar. I was born in a 66Coronet and I have always owned a Dodge. I do also own a Chevy. It's a true 2ton sled. I like having multiple brands in my driveway. It helps remind me how much better Dodge is than the rest. I've owned 1 Toyota, 3 Fords, 2 Chevies, 2 Mitsu's, 3 volkswagens, 1 Subaru, 1 Pontiac, 1 Oldsmobile, and 10 Dodges. I'm sure I missed one somewhere. All those cars had their strong points. Most had several weak points like the Pontiac. I'll never own another Pontiac. It was a 1989 Grand AM and it had the extremely rare (for the Grand AM at the time) 2.8L V6. I put 4 distributorless ignitions in that piece of crap. I have NEVER blown up an engine in any make or model. Anyone that knows me knows I drive everything hard. Dodge is the only thing that I've owned that can handle the abuse I dish out. Dodge does have several problems. BRAKES for one, but where it counts the most like in the engine internals, I have had the best results with DODGE products. My 2.2L Turbo is the best example I can give. If I was doing damage to that engine by FLUSHING it prior to changing the oil then it even makes a stronger case for DODGE as beeing the BEST!!!
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