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nevrflush
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2/07/2004
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Yo, R/T Blue, I do have a set of micrometers. All different sizes. They are also digital Mitutoyos to boot. Im a tool and die maker by trade. And yes Ive torn more than a few apart. And Ive owned (my Mom owns it now) a 2.5 turbo that has 180,000 on the clock and still running strong. I put rod bearings in it at 150,000 and they looked like new. Id just say you are lucky with the engines you have and the reason you didnt have a stroke with yours is that you keep up with them. Not to say what would happen if you didnt and let the sludge build and then flush.
And diesels? If yours smells like diesel in the oil, well, my Dad drove truck for 42 years, and if you give Caterpillar a oil sample that smells like diesel, the warranty is over! WOW! Ill need a commode to FLUSH all your b.s. Also the reason diesels outlast gas jobs has nothing to do with the oil....THEY RUN AT LOW R>P>M>!! And owning a couple of fat B-bodies dont make you Mr.Mopar! AAAARRRRGGGG!! Ill bet you cant even read inside mics!
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R/TBlues
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2/07/2004
14:23:53
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Once again you are "blowing smoke" up everyone's ass. It is impossible to keep diesel out of the oil. Just like in a gas burner, you have "blow-by" getting past the rings on a diesel. This blow-by contains diesel vapors. These vapors condense and mix in with the oil. It's why they put PCV valves on gas burners. It was possible for enough fuel vapors to build up in the crankcase to have an explosion. They first started with the crankcase open to the atmosphere and then the EPA stepped in and made them vent the vapors into the intake with the PCV vlave.
Being in the military for 16 years, I have sent in hundreds and maybe even thousands of oil samples that have diesel in them and they DO NOT reject these oil samples. They reject oil samples that they find traces of bearing-babbet material in them and other metal fines. So, go blow smoke somewhere else because you don't know what your talking about.
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nevrflush
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2/07/2004
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not blowin smoke buddy, you are. Yes there will be SOME blow by and SOME gas or fuel in the oil to an extent, but if you can smell it, and it reeks of, you better cut the fuel back on her bub! Dont care how long you were in the military. You might call Caterpillar up if you work on anymore of em . Because if they find babbit that isnt what voids the warranty, although it can be a sign of a problem that they might have to cover in the warranty. cranking them up wanting to make them run good and putting too much fuel in the oil (just one example) is what they are looking for. Call Caterpillar and ask them yourself. YOU go blow smoke!
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here r/t
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2/07/2004
16:48:27
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Core test for Cat S-O-S program as follows:
-Wear Metal Analysis: (copper, iron, chromium, lead, ect)
-Physical Test - (Fuel DILUTION DETECTION, water detection, glycol detection)
-Oil Condition- (FT-IR: soot, sulfur compounds, oxidation, nitration.)
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hey R/T Blues
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2/07/2004
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where did you go?
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R/TBlues
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2/08/2004
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There's no cutting the fuel back on a multi-fuel 6x6 5ton. They run lower compression and boost with a rich fuel mixture to accommodate a wide range of fuel in combat situations. They are called MULTI-FUEL engines. The Military does not reject oil samples with diesel contamination unless it is severe. I've seen them go 5 years without changing the oil. As long as everything is normal/acceptable in the oil sample they leave it alone. Usually, by the time they detect contaminated oil, whether it's by metal fines, sulfur, dirt, water or whatever, the damage has been done. Very seldom has an oil sample ever come back bad that the engine didn't get replaced. I'm speaking from Military experience. Civilians do things differently, like change oil every 3,000 miles.
I'll keep flushing my engine and you never will and nothing is going to change either of our minds. Neither of us is wrong because neither of us has destroyed our engines. My Grandfather never changed his oil period. He was an ex-military mechanic also. He did just like the military. He never changed his oil. He never got less than 200,000 miles out of a car. So, who's right. Don't come on here telling people that something is bad for their engines when you have no proof. I gave an example of myself changing my oil by flushing with diesel. I never told anybody that if they didn't change their oil my way they were wrong. I have questioned whether or not I was actually doing my engine any good by flushing. I like the fact that I can go 3000 miles without my oil turning dark. There is no load on the engine at idle. Your obviously too young to remember the days when it was required on new engine break-ins to run a very light 0-20w oil for like 2hrs. Then you were supposed to drain the oil and put 30w in. This was mainly to break in the cam on solid lifter engines. The slant six in the Dodge was still being produced with solid lifter cams in 1987. Standard break-in procedure on those engines was to run a lightweight oil (0-20w). It will not hurt the engine to idle with lightweight oil. Those (break-in) oils were almost water thin and that is all you had in the engine. I'm only suggesting that you drain 1 quart of oil from your engine and substitute the diesel or engine flush for that 1 quart. You still have 4 quarts of 10-30 in the engine. It will not hurt the engine. In this day in age, you could be sewed for blasting products like Flush-In-A-CAN for hurting their sales and making false statements with no proof to support your. Although, I wouldn'y put FLUSHNACAN in my engine. It smells just like kerosene. Kerosene will ignite. Diesel won't. You can put a match out in diesel. Try that with kerosene. Kerosene is more like a solvent. Solvents don't lubricate. Diesel will lubricate.
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nevrflush
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2/08/2004
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Aw come on! Your the one that called me a moron! And your comparing a military vehicle and its oil samples with high milage 500,000 mile diesels and peoples daily drivers? How many miles go on those military trucks? Generally not many! And dont give me that "im too young crap" either, Im older than you think. Age isnt relevant, so lose the condescesion,. Yes and slant sixes went to hydraylic lifters before 87, and break in oil was used on hydralic AND solid lifter engines. Whos the moron? Whos blowing smoke? Who doesnt know what they are talking about? Whos too young too remember? Good Grief! I was giving my opinion before you came along and started FLAMING and YOU were the one that said to do this or that was wrong!!!!!!
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jeremiah2360
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2/08/2004
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R/T I started a thread on this subject on BITOG. So far the oil geeks don`t see any real problems with your method.
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=005373
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nevrflush
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2/08/2004
14:38:36
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of course not, they are salesmen! Ask a diesel expert or better yet, ask a diesel manufacturer! Who says the oil guys are experts anyway? They dont have to pay if it breaks like the engine manufacturer does!!! They got nothing to loose but a reputation. And that doesnt mean anything anymore.
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jeremiah2360
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2/08/2004
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neverflush,whatever,it`s just a site where people really care about lubrication. It`s not all salesman,it`s mostly people with real world experience. They didn`t exactly agree with R/T`s method, but no one (yet) said "oh my god what an idiot". Take a pill.
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Flush
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2/08/2004
16:00:35
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Someone should pull the handle and flush this pissing contest down the crapper and into Lake Michigan where it belongs.
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King
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2/09/2004
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My grandfathers joke: Anyone have King Edwards in a can?
(King Edwards is an old roll your own tobacco)
Well, if you do you better let him out!
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