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Lounyc Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 1/31/2004 15:11:07	Subject: Mobil 1 IP: Logged Message: With mostly city driving when should i expect to do next oil change?
jrr Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 1/31/2004 17:02:42	RE: Mobil 1 IP: Logged Message: every 3000 miles
jrr Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 1/31/2004 17:17:32	RE: Mobil 1 IP: Logged Message: the owners manual say if one of the folling applies to you change oil every 3,000 miles or 3 months whichever comes first: frequent short driving (less than five miles) frequent driving in dusty conditions trailer towing extensive idling the first and last describes city driving the manual also says if none of those apply change every 7,500 miles or 6 months whichever comes first I say change it every 3,000 miles and using mobil 1 synthetics will only extend the life of your engine. :)
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 1/31/2004 17:52:44	Mobil1 vs. Amsoil Extended Oil Change Interval IP: Logged Message: First ... Not all oils are the same ... not all engines perform the same (even using the same oil) ... therefore, depending upon your engine, your driving habits, and your climate ... your oil will perform differently than the next guys. Severe Driving = Pedal to the Metal Driving --- City Driving - Stop-and-Go in bumper-to-bumper Driving --- Crowded downtown Conditions --- Weather ... as in Extreme Heat or Extreme Cold --- Engine Condition --- Towing a Trailer --- Hilly or Mountain Conditions --- all affect the life expectancy of an oil. If you believe that your oil (Mobil1) operates under severe driving conditions (see above) I would change every 3,000 miles. If most of your miles are highway miles and do not fall under the above conditions --- you could go further between changes. ================================================== Now, a word from the "Amsoil Site Sponsor" There is a lot of debate regarding extended interval oil change, dino vs. synthetic, Brand "X" vs. Brand "Y", proper filtration, etc. AMSOIL has 25 years of oil analysis data showing their oils provide extended interval oil drain service capabilities. Big oil companies can't argue with that data or explain it away. They would prefer that you "buy into the myth" of 3k mile oil changes because it adds profits to their bottom line. The 3k mile oil change myth Making a blanket statement that additives in oil begin to die after only 2k to 3k miles is simply put ... wrong. It is true that the additives in many oils begin breaking down after only a few thousand miles. What needs to be recognized is that there are different qualities or “grades” of additives just as there are different qualities or "grades" of just about any other product that you buy. There are also different combinations of additives that tend to work better ...and for longer periods ...when combined ... than when they are used individually. AMSOIL offers extended drain intervals because the oil and additive packake is properly balanced, blended, and capable of performing for extended drains. Now the entire industry is moving in that direction. It has been published that automotive manufacturers will be recommending extended drain intervals of up to 15,000 miles in the near future (they already are in Europe where oil standards are higher than for the on-the-shelf oils in America) ... because that's what consumers want. Amsoil's Extended Oil Drain Interval: It is the right thing to do for the consumer, for the environment, and a way to reduce american dependence on foreign oil. Longer intervals = less oil used. ================================================== *** READ THIS PLEASE EVERYONE: Under a combination of city and highway driving, AMSOIL recommends up to 2 or 3 times longer drain intervals, ... it means up to 2 or 3 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation (If your owners manual states 3k miles , then you can change at 9k, and if your owners manual states 5k then 12-15k changes would be alright based on driving habits ... the harder you drive, the sooner the change). Proper filtration is also very important. Notice: Modifications to engine will change service intervals. Notice: More frequent service may be required under severe service operating conditions. Notice: For drain interval beyond 3x manufacturers recommendations (especially Amsoils Extended Drain Interval of 25k mile oil changes) --- Regular oil analysis is recommended for establishing drain intervals. AMSOIL --- 30 years of manufacturing oil and mountains of data and tests make these clains possible. Let me know if you need additional information. -------------------------------------------------- Click below for a FREE Amsoil Catalog**: Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
Mudlizard Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 1/31/2004 20:27:30	RE: Mobil 1 IP: Logged Message: I used to work for Valvoline. I have been to their testing facility in KY. They compare all brands of oil to theirs. Extremely interesting the amount of time and money invested in oil R&D. I use synthetic in all my vehicles. First off throw away what the vehicle manufacture says......they dont know squat about oil. If you want to know about oil, talk to an oil manufacturer, they know how their product works in a specific application. If you let oil stay in your vehicle for over 3K your nuts. Just because its synthetic doesnt mean you can go extended oil change intervals. Thats a myth. Blow-by from the rings is still going to contaminate your oil irregardless if it cost .99c a qt or 6$ a qt. Absolutely get your oil changed no more than 3K no matter what your driving conditons. However the short hauls are harder on the crankcase. If the engine doesnt get hot enough long enough it will produce condensation in the crankcase. not enough to turn it a milky color but still, do ya really need water in the oil?? I drive 6mi. one way to work....change my oil every 2-2500mi. And you bet I cough up the big nugget for the synthetic oil. Ya it hurts but I do it to protect a costly investement.... my '01 R/T. Hope this help'd some.
Rich Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 2/01/2004 00:11:52	RE: Mobil 1 IP: Logged Message: Here's an interesting read on oil analysis for Mobile 1 http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/oil-life.html
andys1960 Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 2/01/2004 08:01:22	RE: Mobil 1 IP: Logged Message: Mud lizard you mentioned you used to work for valvoline just curious what brand syntetic do you use?I agree with you it is just hard to buy into extended drains for me.even if the lubrication properties do hold up the oil still has contaminants and is dirty.
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 2/01/2004 09:32:10	Mobil1 - Amsoil Extended Drain - Valvoline IP: Logged Message: As a www.DodgeDakotas.com Site Sponsor, and to keep everyone informed, I would like to post the following article reprinted from an well respected Industry Trade Magazine. In other words ... I'm not asking anyone to take only my words for the facts I post ... here is your Industry Expert __________ --------------- (David McFall's column on AMSOIL, reprinted from "Lubes 'n' Greases" Industry Trade Magazine, March 2003, in the hopes of "Reducing America's Dependence On Foreign Oil", and the elimination of tens of millions of unnecessary oil changes) --------------- AMSOIL Applauded for Extended Drain Technology AMSOIL founder A.J. Amatuzio coined the phrase "extended drain intervals" back in 1972 with the introduction of AMSOIL 10W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil, formulated for 25,000-mile/one-year drain intervals. Not only was AMSOIL motor oil the first synthetic oil to pass American Petroleum Institute (API) service requirements, AMSOIL INC. was the only motor oil company promoting oil drains beyond 3,000 miles. Today, motorists are still bombarded with propaganda from the major oil companies promoting 3,000-mile oil changes. However, the industry is slowly but surely coming around. Vehicle manufacturers typically suggest 5,000- to 7,500-mile intervals in their owners manuals, and many manufacturers have also started incorporating oil life monitors into their vehicles, allowing motorists to safely extend drain intervals by monitoring oil life and alerting drivers when the oil needs changing. Competing oil companies have also begun marketing their own synthetics, some claiming service lives extending beyond 3,000 miles. Lubes-n-Greases Automotive Editor David McFall, once with the American Petroleum Institute recently tackled the issue of extended drain intervals in his March column, criticizing the standard 3,000-mile oil change and referring to the American motor oil market as "shackled". "In Europe the average engine oil drain interval for current gasoline-fueled cars is about 10,000 miles," explains McFall. "In the United States, indicates the Automotive Oil Change Association, the average drain interval followed by most drivers is somewhat less than 5,000 miles, one-half of Europe's. "Every year in the United States, this "too-short" drain interval results in the unneeded production of 300 million to 400 million gallons of engine oil; excess consumer expenditures of around $1.5 billion; and tens of millions of unnecessary oil changes." Not only are these unnecessary oil changes an expense to consumers, explains McFall, but they have an environmental cost as well. "The added environmental cost of having an average 5,000-mile oil drain interval (instead of 10,000 miles, as in Europe) may be nearly 100 million gallons of engine oil being dumped, untreated, into the U.S. environment annually." McFall's examination of Mobil 1, Shell and AMSOIL demonstrates the differences among companies who are shackled to the current system and one who isn't. According to an ExxonMobil spokesperson, "Car owners should follow the oil change intervals specified by the manufacturer. We believe it is inappropriate to recommend drain intervals that may conflict with those set forth by the car manufacturer's specifications." "Here, in a nutshell," says McFall, "is this observer's take on ExxonMobil's and the oil industry's 'owner's manual' position: It is designed solely to increase motor oil sales." He backs it up by mentioning that Mobil 1 SuperSyn motor oil claims to meet European ACEA A5 and B5-02 specifications, two specifications intended to extend oil drain intervals. "If the oil can be used in Europe for extended drain intervals, why doesn't ExxonMobil notify U.S. consumers of that capability?" asks McFall. Although Shell Oil Products, owner of Pennzoil-Quaker State, has broken through the shackles enough to offer an API unlicensed oil specially formulated for higher mileage engines, they make no mention of a recommended drain interval, preferring instead to avoid the issue and keep consumers in the dark. McFall marvels at the success of the independent motor oil company that offers drain intervals up to 11 times longer than the standard interval offered by conventional oils, saying, "Purists can sniff that AMSOIL's data isn't derived from a controlled field study, but the sheer mountain of vehicle miles over three decades, and the absence of any confirmed performance, wear or maintenance issues, speaks volumes." McFall sums up his column by highlighting the true value of AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oil, stating the cost may be "two to three times higher than most retail conventional oils but if you can securely count on a 15,000- to 25,000-mile drain interval, it's a flat-out bargain, not to mention providing a clear environmental bonus." So, what is it that allows AMSOIL motor oils to be used for extended drain intervals, while other oils must be changed significantly sooner? First, the synthetic base stocks with which AMSOIL motor oils are formulated are worlds apart in quality compared with conventional base stocks. The synthetic molecules are uniform in size and shape, resisting the vaporization that boils off the smaller molecules of conventional motor oils and leaves behind a thicker, higher viscosity oil that compromises engine protection. AMSOIL motor oils surpass even the most stringent European volatility standards, providing superior protection for extended drain intervals. Second, AMSOIL spares no expense when it comes to additives, selecting the most robust additive packages on the market. These additives keep AMSOIL motor oils shear stable, resist the degrading effects of varnish and sludge, keep engine components clean and deposit-free and effectively resist rust, corrosion and foaming. By using only the highest quality synthetic base stocks and additives available, AMSOIL motor oils are capable of extended drain intervals, all while maintaining performance, providing long-term wear protection and fuel economy, keeping engines clean and deposit-free, providing cold weather starts and protecting against rust and corrosion. -------------------------------------------------------------- Lubes 'n' Greases logo is a Registered Trademark of LNG Publishing Company, Inc. _______________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________ VALVOLINE It is no wonder why Valvoline should be changed every 3000 miles. That is all it can stand up to. Valvoline Synthetic uses a Group III base oil, so it's not technically a synthetic, but hydrocracked conventional petroleum oil --- or "dino" ... (a PRETEND SYNTHETIC), and there really is no comparison between it and Amsoil, which is a TRUE SYNTHETIC (other than it's XL-7500 line which was developed solely for the Quickie Lubes). Valvoline's additive package is pretty weak, while Amsoil's is very good. Long drain intervals are Amsoil's big selling feature, and I would not want to chance going long intervals with Valvoline, as I don't believe it would handle it very well. If you use Valvoline, your oil should be changed often and regularly. A TRUE synthetic uses either the Group IV or Group V base oil, or a mix of the two, plus their own unique additives package. As a matter of fact, I don't think any of the TRUE synthetics use all of one, they mix a combination of both. Group IV is PAOs (Polyalfaolefins or PAO's) while Group IV is the esters. By nature, Esters tend to swell seals, while PAOs tend to shrink them. So to counter this effect, the oil companies mix these two fluids (Group IV and Group V). _______________________________________________________ Interested in learning more ... request a FREE Amsoil Catalog by clicking the following link: Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 2/01/2004 09:50:12	Redline Confirms Amsoils Extended Oil Drain IP: Logged Message: More Industry Expert support and advice? This time from Redline. Please note --- This is NOT a Redline vs. Amsoil post, just a post whereby Redline confirms Amsoil's claims of Extended Oil Drain Intervals. Redline FINALLY confirms Synthetic Oil Extended Drains. Amsoil has confirmed and marketed this for 30 years. -------------------------------------------------- Redline's new information per their website: "Red Line Synthetic oils have been shown to last 25,000 miles in field tests; however we recommend shorter drain intervals in order to provide a margin of safety with the oil. High-speed freeway driving is easy on the oil due to its excellent thermal stability. If the engine is worn and if considerable stop-and-go driving is involved, 10,000-12,000 mile drains are suggested. A good rule of thumb to follow is to change the oil at least once a year regardless the mileage. Filters can be changed every 5,000 to 7,500 miles in order to assure filter durability is not a problem." ... etc., etc. -------------------------------------------------- Amsoil comments regarding Extended Drains (in my words): Amsoil has been in the oil industry for 30 years. Due to Amsoil's superior synthetic composition and advanced performance additives, AMSOIL performs much longer than do conventional petroleum and other synthetic motor oils. No other major oil manufacturer matches AMSOIL's 25,000-mile or one-year drain interval recommendations (whichever comes FIRST, changing the filter every six months). However, the 25,000 mile /1 year that is on the back of the bottle IS NOT an absolute! One must realize that is for non-severe service (highway miles where you have stable operating conditions) and that the indicated drain interval also has a time period of 1 year maximum as well. Under a combination of city and highway circumstances, AMSOIL recommends up to 2 or 3 times longer, it means up to 2 or 3 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation (If your owners manual states 3k miles , then you can change at 9k, and if your owners manual states 5k then 12-15k changes would be alright based on driving habits ... the harder you drive, the sooner the change). Proper filtration is also very important. AMSOIL SDF Oil Filters must be changed at least every 6 months regardless of miles driven. Notice: Modifications to engine will change service intervals. Notice: More frequent service may be required under severe service operating conditions. Notice: For drain interval beyond 3x manufacturers recommendations (especially the 25k change) --- Regular oil analysis is recommended for establishing drain intervals. AMSOIL --- 30 years of manufacturing oil and mountains of data and tests make these clains possible. ------------------------------------------------- To request a FREE Amsoil Catalog click the following link. Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
B1owner Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 2/01/2004 13:25:30	RE: Mobil 1 IP: Logged Message: How does Amsoil compare to Royal Purple synthetics?Im probably going to synthetic in my race car and heard awesome stuff about Royal Purple from VERY knowlegeable people. Care to comment?. I might run Amsoil, just not sure, I used to run Kedall GT-1 conventional oil with lots of luck, like it alot. But then it was supposedly bought out by a California company and it is garbage in a bottle. Looks like pennzoil crap now, where it used to be a high quality looking dark green. ..Where can I get more info on Amsoil prodcts?
QuackDak Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 2/01/2004 14:32:11	RE: Mobil 1 IP: Logged Message: B1owner I was trying to decide myself and found this info. Royal Purple products are not 100% synthetic. So why are they priced similar to a full synthetic? (taken directly from company website) "The Synerlec technology provides the best protection and performance increases available, however, it is very expensive. We have blended our street oils to exceed the performance characteristics of any other blended or "Full" synthetic. If having a full synthetic is important, we have our racing line which can be considered a "Full" synthetic." Questions I asked myself: "Blended " ???? "can be considered" a full synthetic ??? (they are selling us a load of duck doo) MAKE SURE YOU BUY PASSENGER TRUCK 100% TRUE SYNTHETIC and I don't care what brand. NO "blend", No "Maybe", No "can be considered", I want real deal. Any Comments Amsoil Guy?
Mudlizard Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 2/01/2004 14:37:46	RE: Mobil 1 IP: Logged Message: Andys1960 Valvoline Synthetic is my choice. Keeps my oil nice and clean. When I check it on the dip stick, it still looks like I just put it in the day before. Thats how it has taken care of my Tahoe after 70k. I got no complaints. And after reading all the posts about oil.....its like anything else, everyone has their own thing that works for them and they have formed a mental opinion of a paticular product. Just like I love my R/T and some hate Mopars. I love Val Syn and hate other brands of syn. Nice thing about America is all the choices!!
Dave01 Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 2/01/2004 14:49:13	RE: Mobil 1 IP: Logged Message: I agree. Royal Purple's street oil is not 100% synthetic and their race oil does not have enough additives for street use. Stick with a true synthetic. Click the Amsoil Sponsors link at the end of any of his posts and you can request a catalog. I did and have been using Amsoil in my '01 Dakota and in my wife's '01 Durango for 2 years.
Dave01 Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 2/01/2004 14:51:43	RE: Mobil 1 IP: Logged Message: Mudlizard, U should stop calling your valvoline a synthetic. It's not .... ....and that's why u have to change it every 3k miles. It's CRUDE oil .... DIRTY dino.
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 2/01/2004 15:19:29	Mobil1 - Amsoil - Synthetic Motor Oils IP: Logged Message: Thanks Dave01 ... and you are mostly right. Mobil1 and Amsoil are synthetic chemical based oils. True synthetics are pure with no impurities in the oil where petroleums will have sometimes as much as 30% impurities in its oil. True synthetics have higher ranges of temperature (hot and cold) that they can handle than petroleum and give better performance. -------------------------------------------------- Synthetic and Non-Synthetic Differences The major difference synthetics perform longer than petroleum oil is heat tolerance. Flash point is the temperature at which an oil gives off vapors that can be ignited with a flame held over the oil. The lower the flash point the greater tendency for the oil to suffer vaporization loss at high temperatures and to burn off on hot cylinder walls and pistons. The flash point can be an indicator of the quality of the base stock used. The higher the flash point the better. 400 degrees F is the minimum to prevent possible high consumption. Today’s engines are expected to put out more power from a smaller size and with less oil than engines of the past. Therefore, the engines run much hotter than they used to. That puts an increased burden on the oil. Even the best petroleum oils will have flash points only as high as 375 and 420 degrees F. For today’s hot running engines, this may not be nearly enough protection. Just about any synthetic you come across will have a flash point over 430 degrees. High quality synthetics can have flash points over 450 degrees (Every AMSOIL synthetic oil has a flash point of over 450 degrees F with some exceeding 475 degrees). As a result, you will see little noticeable breakdown due to burn-off. Just as important is the way in which petroleum and synthetic oils burn off. As a refined product, petroleum oils molecules are of varying sizes. Thus, as a petroleum oil heats up, the smaller molecules begin to burn off. Since the ash content in most petroleum oils is very high, deposits and sludge are left behind to coat the inside of your engine. In addition, as smaller particles burn off, the larger, heavier molecules are all that is left to protect the engine. Unfortunately, these larger particles do not flow nearly as well and tend to blanket the components of your engine which only exacerbates the heat problem. Synthetic oils, because they are not purified, but rather designed specifically from the ground up for lubrication purposes, are comprised of molecules of uniform size and shape. Therefore, even if a synthetic oil does burn a little, the remaining oil has the same chemical characteristics that it had before the burn off. There are no smaller molecules to burn-off and no heavier molecules to leave behind. Moreover, many synthetics, have very low ash content. As a result, if oil burn-off does occur, there is little or no ash left behind to leave sludge and deposits on engine surfaces. Obviously, this leads to a cleaner burning, more fuel efficient engine. It is true that the additives in many oils begin breaking down after only a few thousand miles. What needs to be recognized is that there are different quality “grades” of additives just as there are different quality grades of just about any other product that you buy. There are also different combinations of additives that tend to work for better and for longer when combined than when used individually. -------------------------------------------------- Amsoil 0w-30 Synthetic Motor Oil This is what I recommend for the winter. Light-truck engines today are built for fuel efficiency and power. AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil optimizes efficiency and power without the sacrifice in wear protection that comes with many fuel-efficient, low-viscosity oils. Our Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil efficiently transfers energy from the engine to the drivetrain. Its low friction inhibits the energy loss common to high viscosity oils. Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil protects in high temperatures better than high-viscosity conventional and synthetic oils. Even after extended service in the engine, Series 2000 Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil maintains its ability to protect in high temperatures. Amsoil Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil is also specially formulated for superior cold temperature engine protection. It retains excellent fluidity in extremely low temperatures, so it flows quickly and reliably to allow easy starting and immediate lubricating protection. Our Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil is highly resistant to volatility. For example, in heat that causes conventional motor oils to lose as much as 25 percent of their mass, AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil loses less than ten percent.AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil's resistance to volatility keeps oil consumption extremely low and, more importantly, keeps the engine thoroughly lubricated and protected. Its resistance to volatility also helps keep fuel efficiency high and emissions low. AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil remains free of sludge, varnish and other by-products of high temperature degradation. With no deposits to foul them, engines stay cleaner longer for top performance and efficiency and maximum service life. AMOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 0W-30 Motor Oil is highly shear-resistant. With our excellent viscosity retention, the protection that goes into the engine is the protection that stays in the engine. -------------------------------------------------- Request a FREE AMSOIL CATALOG by clicking the following link: Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
mark1 Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 2/01/2004 15:33:42	RE: Mobil 1 IP: Logged Message: I used amsoil in my 01 dakota brand new had oil analysis at 10,000 miles and was ok no need to change the oil GOOD TO GO!!
Lounyc Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 2/01/2004 16:28:38	RE: Mobil 1 IP: Logged Message: so i should be ok with Mobil 1 at 5000 mile intervals?
Dakota_VA Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 2/01/2004 20:59:55	RE: Mobil 1 IP: Logged Message: Just a question for the Amsoil dealer/sponsor. Why isn't your products sold at Wal-Mart, K/Mart and any other auto parts dealers/stores? Why can I only order it online? I'm not knocking your product, but if it's not avaible to me locally, I will buy something else. I change my oil & filter at 3000 miles so any good quality oil and filter suits me fine. I have been doing this for the last 30yrs and NEVER had any problems !!!!
jeremiah2360 Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 2/01/2004 23:46:43	RE: Mobil 1 IP: Logged Message: I recommend the following site if you have any questions about motor oil. Lots of other good info too. http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php 03 qc 4.7 auto 4x4 25k
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 2/02/2004 08:46:18	Amsoil Distribution Warehouse Centers -- Retail IP: Logged Message: Dakota_VA, AMSOIL introduced the first synthetic motor oil with an API (American Petroleum Institute) Service Classification in 1972. Since that time, AMSOIL has varied and expanded its product line. Amsoil is available in some stores -- mostly high performance speciality shops -- that lean more towards quality (for building performance and race engines, or an owner that appreciates superior products) than to a "price point" retail store (i.e. Walmart, etc.). I do know quite a few NAPA Stores that carry Amsoil (my cousin for one). In the beginning, Amsoil, being a small speciality oil manufacturer, could never compete with the big guys for shelf space. Shelf space at the big stores is not free --- you have to pay for every inch of shelf frontage that you use. (I used to work in Management for an Import Company so I know this to be fact). So, Amsoil started (over 30 years ago) as a multi-level marketing company, also know as MLM, and once they decided upon this concept they could not change their business structure or 1000's of Independent Dealers would loose their business. If you see Amsoil on the shelf, the retail store works in the same capacity as an Independent Dealer. His discount is only 20% --- so a lot of retail stores would rather carry higher mark-up oils, etc. __________________________________________________ So, for the most part, Amsoil is available thruough Independent Dealers such as myself. Orders are placed either from the catalog (tollfree #) or from the online store when you visit my website(secure credit card orders can be placed direct from my website). If you would like a FREE Amsoil Catalog you can request one at my website by clicking the link at the bottom of all my posts. __________________________________________________ Amsoil Distribution Facilities Amsoil has fourteen (14) distribution facilities in the United States, two (2) in Canada, one (1) in Puerto Rico, and one (1) in New Zealand. Many Retail Stores carry Amsoil, but it is difficult to obtain an address list since they often operate as Independent Amsoil Commercial or "On-the-Shelf" locations. Another option os to "pick up" the product direct from the warehouse. You can still request a catalog, order, and then "pick up" at the warehouse locations if you choose. -------------------------------------------------- Amsoil Distribution Warehouse Locations Locations where Amsoil can be "picked up" rather than delivered via UPS. United States of America DISTRIBUTION CENTERS Anchorage, AK, Mile 42 1/2 Glenn Hwy, HC05 Box 9639, Palmer, AK 99645 Orlando, FL, 3724 Silver Star Rd, Orlando, FL 32808 Chicago, IL, 295 Lincoln Ave, Bensenville, IL 60106 Dallas, TX, 2234 Commerce Dr., Arlington, TX 76011 Lancaster, PA, 1917A Olde Homestead Rd, Lancaster, PA 17601 Las Vegas, NV, 4545 N. Lamb Blvd., Unit C, Las Vegas, NV 89115 Portland, OR, 18379 SW Boones Ferry Rd, Building A, Portland, OR 97224 Richmond, VA, 5616 Charles City Circle, Richmond, VA 23231 Superior, WI, 2206 Winter St, Superior, WI 54880 Wichita, KS,3800 West 29th St., Suite 5, Wichita, KS 67217 ------------------------------ CANADA DISTRIBUTION CENTERS Toronto, ON, 6625 Tomken Rd., Units 12-14, Mississauga, ON L5T 2C2 Edmonton, AB, 14543-121 A Ave., Edmonton, AB T5L 2T2 ------------------------------- PUERTO RICO DISTRIBUTION CENTER Carolina, PR, AMSOIL Distribution Center, Roberto Clemente Avenue, 117A #2, Villa Carolina, Carolina, Puerto Rico 00985 ------------------------------- NEW ZEALAND DISTRIBUTION CENTER Auckland, NZ, AMSOIL Distribution Centre, 3/1 Binsted Rd., New Lynn, Auckland, NZ __________________________________________________ To request a FREE Amsoil Catalog click the following link: Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 2/02/2004 09:08:47	Amsoil Retail On The Shelf Program IP: Logged Message: I would like to continue my discussion about Amsoil in Retail Stores and add the following: Does anyone on DD.com own a Retail Store, or work in a retail store --- that would be interested in carrying Amsoil products on-the-shelf? Amsoil has a Retail-On-The-Shelf Program. Retail-On-The-Shelf Accounts can be one of the following: - Auto Parts Stores - Auto Service Centers - Quick Lubes - Hardware Stores - Department Stores - Any Establishment Where Automotive Products Are Purchased Retail establishments that qualify as an Amsoil Retail-On-The-Shelf Account purchase products at competitive retailers' wholesale prices and resell at a generous profit. Qualifying factors are: You must be a retail seller, either of products exclusively or of products to a service. The business must be in a business location, with regular hours. Home businesses do not qualify. Amsoil Products cannot be the primary product or service of the business. Discount Programs If your order totals $3000- $5999 there is a 50% discount on freight. If your order is $6000 or over freight is free. In addition to buying below Dealer wholesale a Retail account will qualify for additionl credit after the first year as an AMSOIL reseller.This credit can be used for qualifying advertising or to purchase AMSOIL point of purchase materials and promotional items. After one year: 3% Credit on every order $0-$7,499 purchased annually. 4% Credit on every order $7,500-$24,999 purchased annually. 5% Credit on every order $25,000 or more purchased annually. Based on the previous year sales Note: The Amsoil Retail-On-The-Shelf Account is available only in the United States, Canada, Puerto Rico, and New Zealand. If you are interested in selling Amsoil Products Retail-On-The-Shelf, please click the following link and request information, or send me an Email by clicking on the email link (the little envelope under my AmsoilSponsor Member Name). __________ _____ Thank You, Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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