| From | Message |
Zippy
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/24/2004
17:29:44
|
 Subject: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
03' and 04' hemi's are averaging around 250 to 260rwhp in 2wd rcsb trucks with only a couple being over 260. 03' and 04' (the 04' is stock 10 more hp than an 03') averages around 225 to 235 rwhp. at around 4700lbs for a rcsb2wd, that's pretty close to 600lbs heavier than the silverado at around 4100lbs. at 260rwhp, that gives an 18.08 lb. per rwhp for the dodge and at 235rwhp, that gives the chevy 17.45lbs per rwhp. i'm not saying the hemi isnt' putting out power at the flywheel, but it's loss is terrible to the wheels and the extra weight just makes the hemi enough to run with an average 5.3. i've seeing on both types of sites kills of 5.3 over a hemi and hemi's over 5.3's. i work for a dealer that sells both, trust me they're about dead even with more times the 5.3 coming out ahead. check out dragtruck.com, or our fastest times list, or ls1tech's fastest times list. where's the hemi's fastest times list, i'd surely like to compare.
on another note, you Dodge people say the ss is nothing special, hmm. in that case find one of your dodge boys with a stock 4wd quad cab hemi truck to run an ss. i'm sure i can get a volunteer from here. or if you're ready we have a base silverado on the showroom floor i'd be willing to run against a stock hemi and i'm sure i could encourage the sales manager to approve it and video it.
|
EBL
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/24/2004
18:12:14
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
Do you realize that this is a Dakota forum? To the best of my knowledge the Hemi is not offered in Dakotas.
Maybe you should try a Ram forum.
|
B1owner
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/24/2004
18:53:25
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
You friggin chevy people make me wanna puke. Do you know what a truck is for? Seriously. Have you ever towed with a new chevy? Its a terrible vehicle to tow with! Dont take my word for it! Try it out! Yeah it will go alright if its empty, but put a 3000 pound car on the trailer and youll KNOW what i mean..TORQUE is NOT HORSEPOWER! If If Dodge made and designed their hemi to run fast, then it wouldnt tow as good (I feel like Im talking to a 13 year old) . Yes and if you dont think Hemis arent any good, just check out the Keith Blacks in top fuel. They are the same design as Chryslers 60's an 70's hemis, right down to the cross bolted mains. Ill take a Hemi over your canted valve SS chevy junk.
|
Nate
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/24/2004
20:07:10
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
The chevy SS could of had a lot more help in the design department. Compare it to the Dodge Ram SRT-10. The Ram blows it out of the water in every category, from looks to speed. I have no beef with Chevy, it's just their trucks don't do anything for me. They look like typical work trucks. Dont' get me wrong, the SS is sharp, but compared to Ram Hemi's or the SRT-10, it's no contest. Don't fall into the category of most modern day import racers who think the only thing that matters about a car (in this case truck)is speed. I take my quote from a long time Pontiac racer..."It's not that the GTO was the fastest muscle car back then, it was just the coolest." Same applies here. To me, Ram Hemi's are just the coolest truck....but I prefer my Dakota!!
|
Nate
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/24/2004
20:09:28
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
And another thing...these freakin chevy die hards who come and post here all the time only ever talk about their one truck, the SS. What about your S-10s and extremes? Start comparing them to the Dakotas...ha, didn't think so. Kotas blow them out of the water too.
|
tim
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/24/2004
21:01:38
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
two words: PISTON SLAP HAAAHAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA
|
DSW
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/24/2004
21:07:39
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
Zippy, Ha that's funny, my aunt used to have a dog maked Zippy.
I used to be a Chevy guy until I needed a truck with good gas mileage that could tow. Chevy didn't have anything, BUT DODGE DID! S-10's get 20+ MPG but can't tow anything and fullsize Chevy's get 14 MPG, Colorado's have a 5 cyl LOL, what's a guy to do,,,, BUY A DODGE!
I am realy impressed with the Dak and don't know why I would go back to Chevy. Maybe if I wanted a gas truck that sounded like a diesel I would go back. Dodge made their trucks to resemble diesel's with the lower fenders and raised hood. Guess Chevy was trying to make thier truck sound like a diesel with the piston slap.
|
janesy
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/24/2004
23:07:37
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
same story as the 60's and 70's, someone will always try to steal the throne out from under the king. But the Hemi is one stuborn king!
5.3, gimme a f*cking break
|
WipLash
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/25/2004
00:50:51
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
The new silverado's aint SH!T!! I ran two today in my 2000ccR/T and neither one could hang with me. My R/T is bone stock right down to the tires. Both of the Silverados I ran were RC. Both pulled up beside me and challenged me. I didn't blow their doors off, but I managed to pull far enough ahead of them to be able to change lanes and cut them off. My R/T only puts down 195RWHP. It weighs over 4100lbs. The RC 5.3L Silver weighs 4073lbs. My buddy has one and it is right there on his vehicle registration 4073lbs. My R/T beats his and everyone else that has a 5.3L silverado.
|
BrianY 02 R/T
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/25/2004
14:26:22
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
OK let me start by saying its not right for some one to come on to a dodge forum and bash dodges, the same as it would be if we did the same on a chevy or ford forum. Now I may drive a dakota but I am a chevy guy. I bought my dakota becouse it looks cool and chev didnt offer a mid size truck. I do have to say that I am dissapointed at the performance and millage it gets. DSW said the chevy gets 14 mpg. Silverado ss get that but a 5.3 or 4.8 gets way better than that. My dakota averages 9 and gets a best of 14 on the highway.
Nate say to compare S10s and other chevys. Two words for ya pal... Syclone and Typhoon. Even the srt 10 ram couldnt touch one.
Now Im going to get hate mail on this one. But the hemi of old in street version was nothing but a cool nick name for the combustion chaber it had. They do respond well to blowers and that is why you see them in top fuel. Alot of top engine builders have said that they could have made alot more power with a wedge head, but the tech on the hemi head has gone so far it would take to long to cacth up in a sport where the compitition is fierce.
B1 owner.
Small block chevys are not canted valve heads. They are the same as a small block dodge.
Let the hate mail begin
|
BrianY 02 R/T
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/25/2004
14:27:47
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
Oh ya, I forgot , ZIPPY your a dick
|
BrianY 02 R/T
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/25/2004
14:49:59
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
I really wish there was an edit option on this forum.
B! said have you ever tried to tow with a new chevy?
Take a look at your local tow truck companys. How many dodges do you see compared to the chevys and fords. They dont pick there trucks becouse of personal preferance. I worked for a towing co. where the owner was one of the biggest mopar nuts I have ever seen, and all his trucks were chevy gas powered trucks. The only mopars in the compound were his 69 road runner and his 70 hemi cuda. Both real cool cars. I asked him why no dodge trucks being such a mopar nut, and he told me that dodges cant tow what the chevys car and the chevys get way better gas milage.
Now Im not trying to bash dodge becouse I do like them and own one but if I could go back to the day I bought my dakota, I would have picked a full size chevy instead. Ibought the dakota becouse of its cool looks and style. They are all good trucks (ford chevy dodge)in there own way, but some excell the others. I say we team up and pic on the rice trucks instead.
|
B1owner
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/25/2004
17:40:04
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
Yes I know that small block chevys are wedge heads. Ive seen hundreds of them at yard sales....I was referring to the Hemi's competion of big blocks...the rat motor (big block chevy). So you know engine builders that like wedge heads better? I wouldnt let them fix my bicycle!!!! Ever hear of a flow bench? Im sure your out-of-date engine builder hasnt! Benches dont lie. And you say hemis respond well to blowers? Of course. MOst engines do if set up properly. As for the hemi being a fancy combustion chamber design as you say, what the hemi is is the death knell to ALL valve configurations in competion use.Do you know why the Hemis of todays prostock classes have so many restrictions? Do you know why it was legislated out of Nascar in the early 70's ( no hemis in areo cars, ect)Do you know now why Im not a chevy guy? Ever hear of a restrictor plate? It was designed originally for the Hemis as well. IT WASNT BECAUSE IT WAS A FANCY COMBUSTION CHAMBER! mORAL OF THE STORY....MORE FUEL/AIR INTO THE CYLINDER = MORE POWER. HEMISPERICAL VALVE CONFIGURATION IS SECOND TO NONE.
|
GreenGoblin
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/25/2004
17:45:15
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
I know I'm going to get some love notes for this but here goes:
Hey Zippy, why don't you go let the Nissan Titan forums know how bad your 5.3 Chevy is? Also, lets compare trucks to trucks. Check out Car and Driver where they compare 4 door 4x4 pickups 1/2 ton pickups. These are the Chevy (5.3), Dodge (hemi), Ford (5.4), Toyota(4.7) and Nissan (5.6). The Titan was the quickest. Ifyou'v ever driven one, you would understand that this is indisputable. This was followed by the Ram, which posted a 0-60 time of 8.0 seconds (compared to 7.6 for the Titan). The Chevy was THIRD, barely able to outrun the 4.7 Tundra. These were comparisons of trucks that were made to be trucks. So why does the Chevy fall so short when it comes to truck duty?
|
B1owner
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/25/2004
17:46:08
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
BTW Bryan Y rt 02, P.s. small block dodge heads are 18 degree, chevys are 23, Ugg! Mopars all have angle plugs, most chevys dont . They are NOT the same,
|
WipLash
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/25/2004
18:13:05
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
Like I said, I beat 2 RC 5.3 Silverados yesterday form a stand still to about 70mph where we both had to let out of it do to traffic conditions. I was able to cut both of them off and pull away. My 2000cc R/T weighs 50# more than a RC Silverado. I drove a 2002 Silverado from Memphis to Dallas. They not all that. Neither is my R/T, but it still runs better than the Siverado. The Hemi Ram weighs 500lbs more than the Silverado. I would hope that the Siverado could outrun the Ram. The new Dakota coming out in 2006 will weigh about what the Silverado weighs. I doubt that anything Chevy makes will keep up with the new SRT-8 except maybe the Corvette.
|
R/TBlues
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/25/2004
18:22:42
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
I've been here before. This agruement about Chevys vs. Dodge has been going on 4ever. I've never been beat by a Chevy Silverado. Back when I had my 93cc Dak 5.2L Auto there was nothing for me to run against except Chevys and Fords because Dodge wasn't very popular back then. I always won against Chevys. The Chevy owners always cried that I had a lighter truck than they had. My Xcab Dakota weighed more than the Reg Cab Siverado.I loved betting Chevy owners than my Dakota weighed more than their Silverado. It was an easy $10.00 bet everytime. They had 5.7L engines and I had a 5.2L. Fast forward 10 years and nothing has changed. Dodges are still porkers, but they make up for the extra weight with HP and torque.
|
B1owner
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/25/2004
18:28:42
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
Bryan y 02, With all due respect, I can give you examps of Drilling companies, tow companies,ect that use cummins powered Dodges exclusively. You can argue this for hours, but I know folks that wouldnt give a dime for a gas powered chevy in the industrial realm. Probably the main reason ( i agreee with you on this one that gas jobbers are not as common) is because they get crap for fuel milage. Yes and like the rest of the car companies they got their problems, and Chrysler better get on the stick with their transmission troubles among other things.
|
WipLash
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/25/2004
18:55:42
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
BrianY,
No Chevy whore would ever admit to buying a Dodge. Get real. Especially for an excuse as lame as the one you came up with."The Dodge Dakota is cool looking". Come on! Do you even own a truck. Your probably the person that started this whole argument under some one elses name. AHHH! It just came to me! YOUR A FORD OWNER!!! hehehe Your really realy weird man. If you are a die hard Chevy man and you bought a Dodge Dakota then MOPAR (more-power) to you. Oh, by the way, Chevy has a mid-size truck. I hear them calling..."Brian...Brian...Come Back...Come Back to Chevy, we made you a Colorado."
|
BrianY 02 R/T
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/25/2004
19:09:35
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
See I knew I was going to get to every one on this. The point I was leaning towards with the old hemi is that its legand was biger than its bite. As I recall LS6 chevelles with a canted valve big block would walk all over hemi cars back in the day. Probably becouse the hemi weighed 800 lbs.
As far as cummins power I agree with you totally on that. Its way better than the pos diesel chevy makes. But thats not the point.
Im talking 1 ton and under for towing use. Regardless of the engine. Im not say no one at all uses dodge for that but the majority use chevy and ford
And I thought that the restrictions on the dodge pro stocks is becouse they are afraid that there using nitrous oxide again.
Chevy makes a good truck with a good engine. Ford makes a good truck with a good engine and dodge makes a cool loking truck with a good engine. They all have there high and there lows.
If I had my way, my dakota would have a new ls6 small block and a ford nine inch. That way I could have the good looks of the dodge, the power of the chevy and the durability of the ford. The magnum 5.9 make good low end power but you really pay for it when you have to fill it up every other day.
Wiplash I am not suprised that you beat those trucks with your R/T. Take some gear out of yours or add some to the chevy and you may see a different out come.
The dodge guys are always going to pic on the chevys, The ford guys are always going to pic on the chevys and the chevy guys are going to pic on both. Everyone will always find somthing they dont like about the other.
|
BrianY 02 R/T
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
1/25/2004
19:17:13
| RE: Your Hemi Sucks.. I take 5.3 Chevy
IP: Logged
Message:
Alright wiplash.
I do own a 2002 black club cab R/T Dakota. I like all of the big three but i prefer chevy. And they can keep there colarado. What are you 12 years old? get a f**king life loser.
|
| | P 1 Next Page>> |
