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rhust
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12/18/2003
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I have been reading all the posts about synthetic vs Non synthetic oils. I change my oil every 3000 miles, like the manual says. I have the 7 year 70000 mile warranty. I am probably going to keep it until the warranty is up and then trade it in. Is the extra money of the synthetic worth it? I guess if you go longer between oil changes with the synthetic it might be the same money, but then you take the chance of the warranty not being honored. I have ran synthetic oil and have noticed no differece. If you are going to keep the vehicle for 200000 miles I can see using the synthetic, but if you are like most you will trade in your vehicle every 4-5 years. I guess it all comes down to how you use your vehicle and how long you keep it. It just seems like a lot of guys are using synthetic oil, changing it every 5000 miles and then trading in their vehicle after 5 years. Just my observation
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EyeTrip
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12/18/2003
21:47:56
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Here we go again ... Amsoil puke? Where are ya? I know your just itching to "Help"
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.boB
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12/18/2003
22:46:35
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You make a good point. The purpose of routine maint is to keep things running for a long time. If your vehicle is "disposable", then why bother to maintain it? For you there's no "value added". We won't go in to the value (or non-value) of synthetics, as that has been beaten to death.
Generally speaking, if you're only going to drive it 50K miles and get rid of it, then you probably never need to change the oil at all. The only maint you need to do is rotate the tires so you can avoid buying another set in that 50K miles.
If you're trading in to a dealer, they don't seem to care about maint records. Private buyers are another story.
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AmsoilSponsor
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12/19/2003
07:11:41
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rhust,
Your points are (mostly) valid if you change your oil every 3000 miles. However, we all know about the "3000 mile oil change myth", ... and why waste oil? If every consumer extended their drain intervals ... the World would use billions of LESS barrels of oil every year. Gasoline and oil prices would drop ... and we would save a valuable resource.
I would like to quote an old friend that used to visit this site regularly:
Sandman stated:
"I will start buy saying that I am a firm beliver in synthetic oils and only use them now. With this said I will also say that alot of cars have made it 200,000-400,000 miles on regular oil and 3000 mile oil and filter changes. The thing is they are usualy on their last leg at this point. They are usualy burning alot of oil and need to be rebuilt. ----- If ever you have torn down most engines with 100,000 miles on them they have alot of slude and varnish. The gaskets tend to stick together. When you tear an engine that has been run on synthetic oil apart the gaskets almost never stick together and all parts can be cleaned with a damp rag no wire wheels, or putty knifes needed. Synthetics make it easier to extend the life of your vechile. If you abuse your truck synthetics help to lessen the damage you do to it."
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There is a lot of debate regarding extended interval oil change, dino vs. synthetic, Brand "X" vs. Brand "Y", proper filtration, etc., ...including here at DodgeDakotas.com, so I will keep this simple and to the point.
I will also keep it pleasant as many posts are borderline hostile.
AMSOIL has 25 years of oil analysis data showing their oils provide extended interval drain service capabilities. Big oil companies can't argue with that data or explain it away. They would prefer that you "buy into the myth" of 3k mile oil changes because it adds profits to their bottom line.
AMSOIL offers extended drain intervals because the oil and additive packake is properly balanced, blended, and capable of performing for extended drains.
Now the entire industry is moving in that direction. It has been published that automotive manufacturers will be recommending extended drain intervals of up to 15,000 miles in the near future (they already are in Europe) ... because that's what consumers want.
Amsoil's Extended Oil Drain Interval: It is the right thing to do for the consumer, for the environment, and a way to reduce american dependence on foreign oil. Longer intervals = less oil used.
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In closing ... HAPPY HOLIDAYS EYETRIP!
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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LarryW
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12/19/2003
09:58:12
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The benefits of synthetic are longer change intervals, better protection in extreme conditions (weather, towing, severe driving, etc). A high quality synthetic will also do a much better job of keeping your motor clean versus a dino.
LarryW
not the Larry of J&J
but the LarryW of Larry's Auto Service (25 years)
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BigBlueQC
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12/19/2003
12:35:15
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EyeTrip, is that really necessary?????
It may get tiresome for people like ourselves who have been to this site 1000 times seeing new posts about synthetic oils but a new person to the site isn't always as smart as you and would know to do a search first on a particular topic. And the "AMSOIL puke" (steve is his real name for all you new people) always gives helpful info. Lighten up
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Heavy Duty Service group, Leer cap w/out windows, Mopar Step bars and roof rack, Rhino liner in bed and on step bars, Pace Edwards Power Tailgate lock
3.55 rear, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes, all possible fluids are AMSOIL
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STS
Dodge Dakota
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12/19/2003
13:11:28
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I use Valvoline WD-40. I always herd if you have a oil leaking out of the gasket you should use a higher weight.
I Service my vehicals every 5 K miles. Since I hardly do any towing with my Dakota, there isn't any use going by the old routine. I don't use synthetic oil but it's not a bad idea for high mileage motors like mine.
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for STS
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12/19/2003
16:37:58
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Valvoline and WD-40 are two distictly different products with two distincly different uses.
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andys1960
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12/19/2003
17:40:10
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I for one would like to thank the amsoil guy for all his helpful input .I have learned alot from his posts.anytime I have had a question he has always answered and i feel gave an honest answer.and another thing i think is important most of his answers are backed by scientific research not just stories passed along by joe blow.although it is hard to getaway from 3,000 mile change interval that i have been taught for years and believe me i was a firm believer in the 3000 mile change.I have settled for middle ground using mobil-1 10w -30 for a 5000 mile interval maybe going 6000 later when i gain more confidence.I still just can't get it in my head to extend any more than 6000 miles.
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Dr. D
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12/21/2003
15:12:18
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andys1960,
I too have gained a lot of knowledge with the help of Steven (our AMSOIL Sponsor).
And you sure can go longer than 6,000 miles on an oil change while using AMSOIL.
Dr. D
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Chris
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12/21/2003
22:07:23
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There is a reason most people do not use synthetic oil. number one is cost. look how much you pay for one quart of the stuff. its rediculous to think anyone would use it in older high mileage engines. If an engine has run on normal oil, then it doesn't make sense to switch, as it may make things worse. Whats the problem with changing oil every 3 thousand miles anyways? If you maintain your truck, it will last for years of use.
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12/22/2003
06:52:14
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Chris, Why Synthetic Oils and Lubes?
Performance, Better Fuel Mileage, Easier Maintenance, Save Natural Resources and The Environment
First, let’s address performance. Increased performance is a subjective benefit, but it can be actually measured in numerous ways:
Performance
--- Better cold weather starting due to lower pour points.
--- Cooler running at high temperatures and under severe conditions. This requires measurement of operating temperatures when using petroleum lubricants and then synthetic lubricants in the same equipment under identical conditions.
A controlled test is needed to demonstrate this, and it has been proven by Amsoil and by others when testing synthetics in general. Most users are able to actually see the difference in their engine and transmission operating temperatures when running under similar conditions.
--- Less component wear, as AMSOIL and others have demonstrated that synthetics offer as compared to petroleum. Usually this is only apparent to the end user when comparing oil analysis reports and comparing the wear metals in parts per million per mile when using synthetics vs. petroleum in the same vehicle. Certainly after many miles of use there would be a visual difference in wear in a controlled comparison of two similar engines, transmissions, or differentials.
--- More horsepower as demonstrated on dynameter tests comparing AMSOIL products with petroleum oils and other synthetics.
--- Reduced oil consumption as experienced by nearly everyone using synthetics due to lower volatility.
--- Reduced emissions, also due to lower volatility, but not generally noticeable by the typical consumer. And there are others. Most of these performance benefits require close scrutiny by a consumer, or a controlled test to demonstrate quantitatively.
Better Mileage
--- Fuel economy can also be very difficult for the consumer to accurately gauge. Once again, it has been proven by AMSOIL through use of industry accepted fuel economy tests, field demonstrations and as witnessed by most of our customers. In an extremely elaborate and expensive test run by an independent laboratory, which we have documented in a brochure, we showed an 8.2% fuel economy increase in Class 8 over the road trucks. I’m sure you have seen the brochure, but I’ve enclosed one anyway. At 6 mpg, that would equate to an increase of less than ˝ mile per gallon increase. Under controlled conditions, a truck that would travel 600 miles on 100 gallons of fuel before would now travel 650 miles on the same amount of fuel. The differences between drivers’ habits, ambient outside temperatures, fuel quality, loads, terrain, etc., can easily foul up a fuel economy test. All of these parameters and more were kept constant in this fuel economy test. Although there is no way a typical consumer can monitor their fuel mileage accurately due to fluctuations of these parameters, most are still able to demonstrate a fuel economy improvement through regular record keeping and comparison over time. A tank to tank comparison is normally not going to provide reliable results due to the variables.
Ease of Maintenance
“Ease of Maintenance” --- Extended Drain Interval --- the capability of AMSOIL lubricants or the reduced maintenance or cost effectiveness this allows. All Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants will last 2 - 5 times longer, depending on the application, than their petroleum counterparts. Extended drains are a major contributor to the overall maintenance and lubricant cost savings available by using AMSOIL Products.
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All of the performance claims for AMSOIL Products are based on solid testing, facts and nearly 30 years of experience. We stake our company’s reputation on that. If you put all of the performance benefits together with the extended drain capabilities, using Amsoil products will more than pay for themselves in the long run.
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I could write paragraphs about extending drain intervals and saving millions of barrels of oil each year ... but I think that this is evident to everyone.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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