ATF+4 Transmission Fluid Price - Dodge Dakota Forum

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JES Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 12/11/2003 09:40:30	Subject: ATF+4 Transmission Fluid Price IP: Logged Message: What's the best price anyone has gotten for the elusive and mysterious Mopar ATF+4 Transmission Fluid? Most of the quotes from dealers that I have gotten so far are $7.20 per quart and $28 per gallon jug. Is there anywhere that I can get this at a better price? I did a search on the forums, but didn't come up with much. Everyone's help is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Eric -- http://photos.yahoo.com/jes_96
RocketDak Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 12/11/2003 12:30:15	RE: ATF+4 Transmission Fluid Price IP: Logged Message: The dealer quoted price is right. I paid $56 for 2 gallons. You cant buy it anywhere else...
JES Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 12/11/2003 13:07:30	RE: ATF+4 Transmission Fluid Price IP: Logged Message: I just got a quote back from one dealer at $17 per gallon. I'm thinking it's a mistake, but I'm going to try to hold them to it. Anyone else know of dealers that have legitimately better pricing. I know I have found a few dealers on-line that are competitive on OEM parts (splash guards are a perfect example - found the price ranging from $17 to $39 each) -- just not much for Trans Fluid yet. Eric
Lurkin Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 12/11/2003 15:18:56	RE: ATF+4 Transmission Fluid Price IP: Logged Message: I assume that you've settled on the Mopar fluid and not AMSOil, right?
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 12/11/2003 16:32:47	Amsoil reports DC ATF+4 complaint filed IP: Logged Message: FYI (and read between the lines as to how D/C unfairly treats its customers) The Independent Lubricant Manufacturers Association (ILMA) filed a complaint with the U.S. Federal Trade Commission last week, accusing DaimlerChrysler Corp. of unfair trade practices for the handling of its most up-to-date automatic transmission fluid specification. ILMA: DaimlerChrysler Unfair to Independents Reported in "LUBE REPORT" Industry News from the highly respected Lubes-n-Greases Trade Magazine Wednesday, November 19, 2003 By Tim Sullivan The Independent Lubricant Manufacturers Association filed a complaint with the U.S. Federal Trade Commission last week, accusing DaimlerChrysler Corp. of unfair trade practices for the handling of its most up-to-date automatic transmission fluid specification. The association said the automaker has blocked blenders from making and selling its ATF+4 fluid – which was adopted in 1999 and is now recommended for most Chrysler vehicles. In addition it accused the company of leveraging its monopoly on the transmission fluid to muscle motor oil sales away from lubricant companies. “To Chrysler, this probably is another revenue stream for a product code,” Executive Director Celeste Powers said. “However, to ILMA members this is unfair competition which hurts motorists.” Chrysler first advised dealers in October 1999 that it had begun factory filling certain vehicles with ATF+4 and that they should service those vehicles with the same fluid, instead of the previous fluid, ATF+3. Two years later, the company advised that ATF+4 should be used in all vehicles with automatic transmissions except minivans built before 2000. The association’s complaint said that Lubrizol is the exclusive manufacturer of chemistry for ATF+4 and that DaimlerChrysler has contracted Petro-Canada and ChevronTexaco to supply the fluid. The complaint said ILMA members that marketed earlier versions of the fluid requested the ATF+4 formula from DaimlerChrysler but were turned down. Members also contacted Lubrizol, ChevronTexaco and Petro-Canada but were told that those companies’ contracts with the automaker prohibited them from sharing the formula or reselling the fluid. According to the complaint, such practices violate provisions of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, which prohibits automakers from conditioning warranties on the use of named oils or parts unless the automaker provides them for free or demonstrates that available alternatives will not function adequately. The association noted that other automakers avoid the problem by licensing products that meet their specifications. ILMA officials said DaimlerChrysler has made formulas and specifications for previous fluids available to blenders. The association said it urged DaimlerChrysler a year ago to establish a licensing program for ATF+4 and has tried several times since then to engage the company in discussions. ILMA legal counsel Jeffrey L. Leiter said the association has received no response. “We tried to work this out with them but they’ve ignored us at every step of the way,” he said. DaimlerChrysler did not return phone calls seeking comment. The complaint said DaimlerChrysler “has taken its anticompetitive actions… one step further ”by allowing dealers to buy bulk volumes of ATF+4 only in combination with bulk purchases of their own Mopar brand motor oil. Dealers that decline the offer incur greater costs to buy the transmission fluid in smaller volumes. ILMA’s complaint asked the trade commission to investigate its allegations and to compel DaimlerChrysler to cease its practices. Officials acknowledged that the case does not involve a large amount of ATF+4, but said they are concerned about the possibility of other automakers imitating DaimlerChrysler’s actions. “If Chrysler can get away with this, it will embolden other original equipment manufacturers, so ILMA had to take a stand,” Powers commented. -------------------------------------------------- My Opinion: That is why ATF+4 is expensive and also why D/C Dealers push the Mopar brand of oil ... to obtain the bulk discount prices on the ATF+4. Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 12/11/2003 16:42:29	Amsoil Synthetic Universal ATF vs. ATF+4 IP: Logged Message: Maybe you will find this to be good reading. -------------------------------------------------- Chrysler went from ATF+ (MS 7176B) to ATF+4 in less than ten years. Essentially they were trying to make up for shifting problems in some of their transmissions by "tweaking" the frictional properties of their fluid rather than recalling the affected units. The ATF+4 fluid does seem to have solved the problems with some of the transmissions from the mid 1990's. However, I know many Dodge owners that have noticeable and significant improvements switching to Amsoil Universal Synthetic ATF. They state that the transmission characteristics are better than when it was new. Yes we all know ... transmissions from different manufacturers use various types of clutch pack materials. So ... is it possible to formulate a single fluid that will behave differently in GM, Ford and Chrysler transmissions? The specifications for friction characteristics are for how the fluid behaves in the particular application, given the types of materials used in that transmission. They are not the stand alone properties of the fluid, which is where I think the misunderstanding comes in. Amsoil Universal Synthetic ATF is truely "Universal" Amsoil did offer a Synthetic ATF specifically for ATF +3/+4 applications about 3-4 years ago. However once they were able to integrate this additive chemistry into their Dexron/Mercon formulation, they discontinued making this second fluid. __________ __________ __________________________________________________ Interested In Requesting a FREE Amsoil Catalog click the following link. Thank You, Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
Black SXT Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 12/11/2003 17:21:19	RE: ATF+4 Transmission Fluid Price IP: Logged Message: Steven I have a question about the Amsoil ATF. I don't doubt the Amsoils abliity to work better than the DC fluid. I am however concerned about DC honoring the factory warrenty if Amsoil ATF is used. Do you have any info on that. thanks
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 12/11/2003 21:15:49	Amsoil ATF & Warranty IP: Logged Message: WARRANTY First and foremost, there is no way for the dealer to test to see what brand of lubricant you are using, they will only want to see maintenance records to see that maintenance was performed on a timely basis. If this is a concern, this can be accomplished by keeping sales receipts of your purchases and taking photos of your odometer. Warranty issues can be a pain in the butt even if the dealer has performed all maintenance with OEM supplies. For the record, I am posting Amsoil's recently revised Limited Warranty information in it's entirety below. (Note: I purchase and use Amsoil lubricants and filters EXCLUSIVELY and take the products to a local "Quickie Lube", or a friendly mechanic or garage, and let them perform the change. They charge a "nominal fee" for this service since I provide the lubricants and filters --- similar to a corking fee when you bring your own bottle "BYOB" of wine, or your own beer, to a restaurant.) ------------------------------------------------- Recently Revised AMSOIL Limited Warranty - Lubricants AMSOIL INC. of Superior, Wisconsin hereby warrants that its lubricants are fit for use according to the written recommendations of AMSOIL INC. and in applications specifying one or more of the standards set forth in the product data bulletins and product labels. AMSOIL INC. further warrants its products to be free of defective materials, design, and workmanship. THIS WARRANTY IS SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING LIMITATIONS: 1. This warranty only applies to AMSOIL lubricants for which a separate, specific warranty is not written. 2. The warranty herein applies only to AMSOIL lubricants, which are packaged by AMSOIL INC. and sold by AMSOIL INC. or an authorized distributor. 3. The liability of AMSOIL INC. shall be limited to: a. Replacement of the defective lubricant. b. The cost, including labor and materials, to repair damaged equipment, or at the option of AMSOIL INC., the cost to replace damaged equipment, resulting directly from the use of AMSOIL INC. lubricants when used in the proper applications. 4. AMSOIL INC. shall not be liable for special, incidental, or consequential damages including, but not limited to, damage or loss of other property or equipment, loss of profits or revenue, cost of capital, business interruption, lodging, towing, or cost of replacement equipment. The liability of AMSOIL INC. arising out of the manufacture, sale, delivery, installation, technical directions or recommendation of any lubricant- whether in contract, tort, warranty or otherwise - shall not exceed the value of the equipment in which the product(s) were used. The remedies to the purchaser herein are exclusive. 5. In the event of a claim against AMSOIL INC., the procedure below must be completely followed. a. Where the original warranty from the equipment manufacturer is still in effect, the customer shall file a warranty claim with the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) in accordance with the OEM warranty procedure. b. Customer shall retain failed parts for inspection by AMSOIL INC. unless given to the OEM. c. Customer shall also, within 30 days of failure, notify AMSOIL INC. and provide the following: (a.) An eight (8) ounce representative oil sample taken from the failed equipment and put into a clean container. (b.) Documentation including make, model, and year of equipment, total accumulated miles and/or hours, and duty cycle or service environment. (c.) Equipment or vehicle maintenance history documentation including miles or hours at the time of AMSOIL lubricant installation, general equipment repairs, and oil analysis results if available. (d.) Proof of purchase for AMSOIL lubricant. (e.) Batch number from oil container or Certificate of Analysis. d. Mail the above sample and information to: AMSOIL INC., Attn: Technical Services AMSOIL Bldg. Superior, WI 54880 e. In cases where the OEM warranty is still in effect and that warranty coverage is denied based on the use of an AMSOIL lubricant, the customer shall immediately notify AMSOIL INC. and provide a written copy of the OEM warranty denial. f. AMSOIL INC. may, at its option, notify its insurance carrier of the claim. g. AMSOIL INC. or its insurance carrier may conduct an investigation that includes, but is not limited to, an inspection of the failed parts, a review of the operating conditions, and a thorough review of the information requested above. The customer agrees to cooperate with such investigation. h. If AMSOIL INC. or its insurance carrier pays a claim, an attempt may be made to recover amounts paid from the OEM. If this occurs, the customer may be asked to provide further information pertaining to the failure and to cooperate with AMSOIL INC. or its insurer in the recovery process. THE WARRANTY MAY NOT BE EXTENDED TO COVER: 1. AMSOIL lubricants used in mechanically deficient equipment as a result of abnormal operation; negligence; abuse; damage from casualty, shipment or accident; or equipment modification done without written authorization from the OEM. 2. AMSOIL lubricants that have been used for the purposes of racing or in applications where the OEM required lubricant standards do not match those stated by AMSOIL INC. without the written approval from AMSOIL INC. 3. AMSOIL lubricants that have been contaminated after leaving the AMSOIL INC. premises due to improper handling, storage or through equipment deficiencies in which an AMSOIL lubricant has been installed. 4. AMSOIL lubricants which have been packaged, regardless of container, by anyone other than AMSOIL INC. or an AMSOIL authorized packager. 5. Any allegedly defective AMSOIL lubricant for which a reasonable sample has not been preserved. 6. Failure of equipment when AMSOIL lubricants are not used in strict accordance with either the written recommendations of AMSOIL INC. or the OEM for warranty coverage. 7. AMSOIL lubricants that have been used in conjunction with any other product or additive that has not been authorized for use by AMSOIL INC. 8. Failure of equipment due to a pre-existing condition that is unrelated to the use of AMSOIL. 9. Repair or replacement of equipment because of normal wear. AMSOIL RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REJECT A WARRANTY CLAIM FOR ANY OR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING REASONS: 1. Failure to follow all OEM recommendations for warranty coverage, including lubricants, maintenance, and drain intervals, prior to the first installation of AMSOIL lubricants. 2. AMSOIL INC. was not notified within 30 days from the date of failure. 3. Claim information is insufficient. 4. Parts inspected do not substantiate a claim or indicate failure. 5. Parts requested were not sent or are unavailable for inspection. 6. Oil sample was not provided. 7. Failure of the customer to follow the written procedure herein. 8. Customer refused to cooperate with the investigation. 9. Failure was the result of an OEM defect. This warranty shall be governed, interpreted and construed by, and in accordance with, the laws of the State of Wisconsin. AMSOIL INC. IS THE SOLE AUTHOR OF THIS POLICY AND MAKES NO OTHER WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED UNLESS A SEPARATE, SPECIFIC WARRANTY HAS BEEN WRITTEN. SOME STATES DO NOT ALLOW EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES SO THE ABOVE LIMITATIONS OR EXCLUSIONS MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU. THIS WARRANTY GIVES YOU SPECIFIC LEGAL RIGHTS AND YOU MAY ALSO HAVE OTHER RIGHTS, WHICH VARY FROM STATE TO STATE. __________________________________________________ Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 12/11/2003 21:20:05	Amsoil vs. Daimler Chrysler ATF+4 IP: Logged Message: ... and someone asked: "... how does Amsoil ATF compare to Chrysler recommended ATF+4?" AMSOIL Synthetic Universal ATF Recommended for applications requiring the following specifications: Chrysler ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+3, ATF+4 ------------------------------------------------- AMSOIL synthetic automatic transmission fluid is a universal ATF designed to "EXCEED" nearly all foreign and domestic performance requirements. It improves fuel efficiency, reduces transmission temperatures by 20 to 50 degrees F and increases transmission life. Provides unsurpassed thermal stability and at least "3 TIMES THE LIFE" of conventional ATFs. Delivers maximum protection for towing and other severe-duty applications. Formulated with synthetic basestocks and the "TOP_OF_THE_LINE" additive package, AMSOIL ATF provides top performance, durability & efficiency. Key Benefits to You: Cleaner transmission components, More efficient power transfer, Lower Transmission temperatures, Dramatically less transmission wear, Smoother cold temperature operation, Long drain intervals. Compatible Applications: Nearly all passenger cars (foreign & domestic), Nearly all light duty trucks (including Dodge Dakotas). I do not have a direct comparison between ATF+4 and Amsoil Synthetic Universal ATF, but I do have the following graphs and a response direct from Amsoil Headquarters. __________________________________________________ Don't be distracted by the "Universal" one size fits all language on our Amsil Synthetic Universal ATF Bottles, or in our literature. Pennzoil & Quaker State also offer their own Multi-Vehicle ATF. __________________________________________________ Because sooooo many people have asked the same question ... I forwarded the question to Amsoil in the past. Here is their response ... AND I LIKE IT: "The AMSOIL ATF is far superior to an ATF blended with hydro treated naphthenic oil. Secondly it uses a premium additive chemistry that meets the static and dynamic coefficient of friction parameters to meet ATF+4 requirements. It also meets the coefficients of friction parameters for MERCON, MERCON V, DEXRON III, and Diamond SPIII. Although the additive chemistry may be slightly different the exclusive MOPAR fluid from the factory, it still follows suit with the parameters set forth by Daimler Chrysler. All AMSOIL lubricants are designed to improve performance and increase protection to engine and transmission components." "Further more, Chrysler developed the +4 spec to "fix" an inherent chattering problem with the Chrysler transmissions. That is the sole reason why Chrysler recommends +4 fluid and this is why nobody offers a +4 fluid. On the other hand there are fluids that are far superior to Chryslers +4 specs, including ours!" "We didn’t just one day decide to make this claim just for the heck of it. This was very carefully researched and we have been developing superior fluids for over 30 years. We certainly would not recommend fluids we knew were going to cause problems. Why would anyone who wants to stay in business??" __________________________________________________ Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 12/11/2003 21:25:59	Amsoil Synthetic Universal ATF Price IP: Logged Message: ... and in closing ... " .... what is recommended change interval of Amsoil ATF? ... and has anyone out there used the synthetic atf in their dakota --- if so what is your opinion." __________________________________________________ Extended Drain Intervals AMSOIL ATF is formulated for extended drain intervals. Transmissions usually operate under severe service conditions. They are subjected to extensive idling, frequent short trips, cold temperature driving, sustained hot weather driving or trailer towing. When conventional transmission fluid is used, it should be changed every 15,000 to 30,000 miles. AMSOIL ATF should be changed at intervals up to three times longer than the recommendations of the vehicle manufacturer. SERVICE LIFE AMSOIL ATF has an expected fluid life of three times the automatic transmission manufacturer's recommendations. Drain intervals may be extended indefinitely when fluid analysis is used. __________________________________________________ I am going to quote a Member of this website, BigBlue QC. (He won't mind ... I have exchanged emails with him on a few occassions). BigBlue QC states: "I have had perfect luck with AMSOIL ATF in my trans, it has been in the truck for 60000 miles, tested twice, with perfect results each time. Good luck. 14 quarts for a complete flush, another 1-1/2 quarts if you have a 4x4 for the transfer case, which you have to drain and re-fill. You will need a pump for the transfer case to re-fill. If you bought whatever you decide locally why can't you return whatever you don't open??? Having an extra 2 quarts on hand while doing this is not a bad thing as a just in case." " ... the 14 quarts is with the tranny cooler as I have one also." "... it has been over a year since I changed the transfer case to AMSOIL ATF. I remember filling to the hole level and then buttoning it up. Haven't had any problems with it. I am a preferred customer for AMSOIL (I pay the $20/year to get the wholesale pricing) and I remember it is cheaper to get the bigger jugs of fluid, like 2-1/2 gallons, when you need larger quantities. 2-1/2 gallons is 10 quarts, if you got two of them it should be enough for the trans, transfer case, and power steering. Yes, I have changed the power steering fluid in my truck to AMSOIL ATF also(my year uses ATF+4 as the ps fluid) with no regrets." __________________________________________________ I believe this should answers all your questions. If not, please repost any additional concerns. FREE Amsoil Catalog anyone? Click the following link: Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 12/11/2003 21:46:41	Amsoil Synthetic Universal Synthetic ATF IP: Logged Message: Everyone Respects Larry of J and J Auto ................ correct? Here is his quote from another thread (hope you don't mind Larry! Larry stated: "Amsoil Universal Trans fluid or the chrysler ATF+4 are the only fluids we use in these trans at the shop. I have been running it (Amsoil) in my trans for about 30,000 miles now, made the trans shift smother and run almost 30 degrees cooler. I also run it in my transfer case. I run all Amsoil even the rear ends and grease it with the syn fortified with molly. Yes I have a trans temp guage in my truck also a nordask Air/Fuel meter on its own o2 so I can monitor my stroker very closely The Amsoil runs very good in these transmissions." Larry J&J Auto __________________________________________________ Thanks Larry! Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
DSW Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 12/11/2003 22:27:29	RE: ATF+4 Transmission Fluid Price IP: Logged Message: Go for the Amsoil ATF. I flushed and filled my 2000 4.7 auto trans at 85K and its at 111K now. It's keeping my high mileage tranny running smooth. Can't tell the difference in the color after 9 months either. I pulled a small sample and compared it to the stuff left in the jug and it isn't burning or discoloring like the OEM ATF. I paid right around $100 for 5 gallons with thier preferred pricing and was also able to pick it up at one of their local warehouses which saved on shipping. It works good in the power steering also. When I flushed the trans, I also flushed out the P/S pump and rack and filled it with Amsoil ATF. The old fluid was pretty disgusting looking and was probably the factory fill. No problems or adverse affects that I can tell with running Amsoil ATF. I drive a lot of miles for work and tow a 3000# boat wih the truck about once a month. Highly recommend!
JES Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 12/12/2003 09:52:49	RE: ATF+4 Transmission Fluid Price IP: Logged Message: I would try AMSOIL, but the dealership says I have to use something that specifically says on the container that it is approved for Mopar ATF+4 applications or the warranty is void (and yes, they will know that I used AMSOIL, because the receipt will say AMSOIL, and, yes, they will ask for a receipt). Also, I'm worried about the funny chemistry effects that mixing AMSOIL with Mopar ATF+4 may cause. Even when a 'flush' is performed, I'm guessing it would take about 25 gallons of the new fluid to get a 99%+ concentration of the new fluid. The flush is mixing the fluids all the while, so if I use 3 gallons of AMSOIL, I'm still going to have a lot of ATF+4 in the system. So .... does anyone know where I can buy Mopar ATF+4 for less than $28 a gallon? Thanks for all the advice. Eric
pd Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 12/12/2003 10:46:52	RE: ATF+4 Transmission Fluid Price IP: Logged Message: Amsoil says their ATF is 100% compatible with Mopar ATF (+2, +3 and +4) so you should have no problem mixing. I switched to Amsoil ATF at 30k miles and now have 215k on my Dak. No problems. I did not perform a complete flush at 30k miles. Just drop and drain.
DSW Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 12/12/2003 15:28:14	RE: ATF+4 Transmission Fluid Price IP: Logged Message: When I flushed my trans, I think I used around 16 quarts of Amsoil ATF before the fluid started to pump out nice and cherry red. There's still a little ATF+4 left in the tranny, but it's probably not more than 10%, so I don't worry about it. When flushing the trans, it pumps out of the pan into the convertor and through the cooler. The only place that an accumulation of old fluid is left is in the valve body and cooler return line, but there isn't too mutch in there. Yeah, I guess I would be worried about Dodge pitching a fit about covering a warranty issue also. I wouldn't want to be stuck in a battle between Dodge and Amsoil trying to get my blown transmission fixed. Let's say your tranny pukes at 30K, I can just see the Dealer saying it was the fluid and Amsiol saying it was a manufacturing defect, might get pretty ugly. Hey Amsiol Sponsor, What does the Universal ATF bottle say about being ATF+4 approved, or does it just say compatable, compliant?
joel Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/25/2004 12:10:22	RE: ATF+4 Transmission Fluid Price IP: Logged Message: atf+4....i found it for $5.10/qt. and $19.20/gal at the dealership which is pretty reasonable. If the AMSOil guy says that his meet the specs for this oil, i'd like to see the specs he's referring to just to see if indeed chrysler even published them. Anyone know if they have to release the chemical composition of an assumed proprietary blend?
????????????? Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/25/2004 13:34:42	RE: ATF+4 Transmission Fluid Price IP: Logged Message: It's called reverse engineering I believe.
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 3/25/2004 13:55:37	DODGE DEALERSHIPS NOW ENDORSE (offer) AMSOIL IP: Logged Message: How? I don't know. I am not an Engineer. Amsoil did offer a Synthetic ATF specifically for ATF +3/+4 applications about 3-4 years ago. However once they were able to integrate this additive chemistry into their Dexron/Mercon formulation, they discontinued making this second fluid. Amsoil is NOT the only company offering multi-vehicle (Universal) ATF. I simply believe that ours is better. My cousin owns a Dodge Dealershsip and a NAPA store and carries (and recommends) Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants to his clients. His Amsoil display is one of the largest displays on his floor --- and he has recommended Amsoil ATF to dozens of Dakota owners. Amsoil Synthetic Universal Automatic Transmission Fluid. Recommended for applications requiring the following specifications: Chrysler ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+3, ATF+4 __________________________________________________ DODGE DEALERSHIPS NOW ENDORSE (offer) AMSOIL !!! This was posted by Sephiroth 3/20/2004 V8 Forum --- Subject: New Chrysler Product?! Message posted by Sephiroth: "I went in to have my brakes checked today, and when I walked into the garage the first thing I saw made my jaw hit the floor. My local dealership now uses and sells AMSOIL products!! They've got it posted on a big banner over the service-desks. GM may not have been able to get it for their 'vettes, but obviously Dodge was able to, or they found out how awesome it is and started buying at regular price! When I go in for a tranny-filter, fluid, and gasket change next week, it's getting filled with AMS." Sephiroth went on to state: "This is at the Raleigh, NC dealership, Al Smith Buick, Dodge, Mazda. I told the guy at the desk I was astounded to see them using AMS and that I had been using it for a while now. After he rode in the truck he said he'd be switching next oil-change in his Ram. As for me, I've got it in the engine, and I'll have it in the tranny soon! Next up are the differentials. After that I need to get a dyno just for curiosity's sake. IF I get 3-5hp form the differential, and God knows how much from the engine and tranny, that'll be enough without any heavy mods. Well, for all I do anyway. If it is a significant gain, I'll post the results." __________________________________________________ ... and as part of the same thread jeremiah2360 stated: "Norwood (MA) Dodge sells Amsoil too." __________________________________________________ Dodge Dealerships are beginning to realize that Amsoil offers a FULL LINE of Premium Synthetic Lubricants and Dodge Dealerships are beginning to offer Amsoil. Why ... 1) Dodge knows Amsoil meets AND exceeds Dodge's requirements. 2) Because their customers are asking for Amsoil. 3) Amsoil = 30 Year History of Research and Development 4) Amsoil offers the best Synthetic Lubricants __________________________________________________ Everyone on this site knows and respects Larry of J&J Auto. Correct? Here is what Larry has to say: "I also swear by Amsoil, I run it everywhere .. rear's, trans, grease. I like the origanal 10w30 turbo, also helps gas mileage and performance using all Amsoil fluids. __________________________________________________ Interested in Amsoil for your Dakota or other vehicles? You can Request a FREE Amsoil Catalog by clicking below. Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
BigBlueQC GenIII 3/25/2004 16:12:17	RE: ATF+4 Transmission Fluid Price IP: Logged Message: Joel, since you are a non-believer, I hope this helps. Had AMSOIL ATF in my trans for 90000 miles now, (3) filter changes, topped off each time with fresh AMSOIL ATF only because I couldn't effectively save what I drained out, even though oil analysis proved is was fine for continued use. Oh, one more thing, the trans has not missed a beat in 90000 miles. Hope that helps. 2002 QC 4x4 Sport Plus, 4.7L, auto, Patriot Blue, Tire & Handling group, Heavy Duty Service group, Leer cap w/out windows, Mopar Step bars and roof rack, Rhino liner in bed and on step bars, Pace Edwards Power Tailgate lock 3.55 rear, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes, all possible fluids are AMSOIL
RTbill Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/26/2004 02:06:45	RE: ATF+4 Transmission Fluid Price IP: Logged Message: This has been an interesting thread. Can someone tell me the difference between ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+3 and ATF+4? I just had the transmission on my 4.7L 2001 Dakota serviced with a machine flush using 12qts. of "dealer recommended" ATF+3 and was charged 7.92 a qt. (95.04). But, it sounds like I should be using +4 ATF from reading this. I also had the tranny pan pulled and wiped out, and both filters replaced. Spin on AC filter cost 25.25 and the sump filter cost 19.99. The shop said that NO gasket is made for this tranny, you just us RT sealer! Can that be right? Would like to here from someone who knows, if these prices sound right, did they put the right ATF in and is there no gasket for the pan?
Hello Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 3/26/2004 06:31:41	RE: ATF+4 Transmission Fluid Price IP: Logged Message: bulkpart.com has cork gaskets and filters for a third of the price you paid. I don`t like cork gaskets because the can split and crumble. The right stuff by permatex is good. You should be using atf+4! The difference is friction modifiers I think.
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