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BDak
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12/08/2003
09:11:46
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 Subject: Synthetic switch
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Guys,
Just wondering how many miles you would need on your vehicle before you would hesitiate about switching from regular oil to synthetic? I am still pretty low, about 21K so I am hoping I will not experience any difficulties. Thnx.
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12/08/2003
10:19:03
| Synthetic Oil = Amsoil Synthetic Switch Break In
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Break In on New and Rebuilt Engines
Regarding the use of AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils (or any other synthetic oil) in brand new or rebuilt engines, it is recommended, however not mandatory, that the motor be initially operated with petroleum oil up to its first normal drain interval. You are well beyond this with 21k on the odometer.
The advantages of doing this are as follows.
New engines or engine components generate high wear metals to begin with and generally contain debris from machining and assembly. It is more beneficial to allow these wear metals to collect in an inexpensive motor oil than to circulate throughout the crankcase for extended periods in a synthetic motor oil. By operating the vehicle to its first drain interval with a petroleum oil, these wear metals and manufacturing debris collect in the oil and are then flushed out of the crankcase when drained. This allows for a much cleaner operating environment for the synthetic lubricant.
Within the first miles of operation, if there are any defects in the assembly or workmanship of the engine components, they may be corrected before installing the more expensive synthetic motor oil. Occasionally, rebuilt engines may have re-machined components or materials which can sometimes be mismatched. These problems will develop in a fairly short period of time. If excessive oil consumption, leaks, or any other problem is noted, this should be corrected prior to changing to AMSOIL Synthetic Oil (or any other synthetic oil).
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Dally
Dodge Dakota
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12/08/2003
12:43:47
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Steven.
A while ago, I found an article (here on this forum?) about the origin of Amsoil, and the big statement that was bring made was that Synthetic oils were originally developed to accomodate the high demands of Turbines. Amsoil being the pioneer and mother of Synthetics. would you be so kind as to source the article that I'm refering to and post it up at www.s4wda.com
This is the site of my local 4-wheel drive association.There has always been a group of enthusiasts here, some not well informed however.
Thank you,
Dale: The only Dak In the pack 'round here.
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wg34
Dodge Dakota
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12/08/2003
21:31:28
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either of these what you are reffering to?
http://www.amsoil.com/history.htm
http://www.amsoil.com/media/companyprofile.htm
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Vic
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12/09/2003
01:11:31
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Hey Amsoil guy, speaking of synthetic oil, you recently said that Castrol Synthec was not a full fledged synthetic oil, and recommended I use another product.
I checked on the shelves of Wally World and there is a Castrol that is part synthetic and there is also a FULL synthetic Castrol oil.
Would the full synthetic be just as good as a product that has a 1 in its name?
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Vic
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12/09/2003
01:11:41
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Hey Amsoil guy, speaking of synthetic oil, you recently said that Castrol Synthec was not a full fledged synthetic oil, and recommended I use another product.
I checked on the shelves of Wally World and there is a Castrol that is part synthetic and there is also a FULL synthetic Castrol oil.
Would the full synthetic be just as good as a product that has a 1 in its name?
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Dally
Dodge Dakota
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12/09/2003
10:09:22
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wg34.
YES, Thank-you.
We do a lot of wheeling up here, if any of you want to check it out, Go to:
www.s4wda.com/kevin
or after the back slash, use Tony or sheldon instead.
There are loads of great pics.
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12/09/2003
11:15:54
|  Amsoil History - Information - First in Synthetics
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For over 30 years --- AMSOIL has continued to set new industry standards for motor oil performance, quality and consistency.
In February 1994, Lubricants World Magazine honored A.J. Amatuzio by inducting him into their "Hall of Fame" as the pioneer in synthetic motor oil.
History of Amsoil
Though AMSOIL, Inc. was founded in 1972, its story begins in the mid 1960s, when Lt. Col. A.J. "Al" Amatuzio (hence the name "AMSOIL"), a jet fighter squadron commander, was impressed by the superb performance of synthetic lubricants in jet engines (in fact, only synthetics stand up to the performance demands of jet engines) and began studying their possible automotive applications.
Al Amatuzio knew also that the same outstanding performance benefits synthetic lubricants provide for jet engines would prove invaluable to car, truck and other internal combustion engines.
In the mid-1960s, Al Amatuzio began an intense period of research and development. He assembled the industry's most knowledgeable chemists and directed the formulation of the first synthetic motor oil in the world to meet American Petroleum Institute (API) service requirements.
The introduction of Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oil in 1972 set all-new standards for motor oil quality. Amsoil synthetic motor oil outperformed conventional petroleum motor oils on all counts. It was clear from the start that this innovative product would play a major role in engine performance and engine life.
Today, virtually every other motor oil manufacturer has recognized the superiority of synthetic lubricants and has followed the Amsoil lead with introductions of synthetic motor oils of their own.
Accept no substitutes - AMSOIL is "The First in Synthetics." ®
Al Amatuzio (Amsoil) developed a marketing plan to get his innovative but still unknown product to customers. His marketing plan enabled customers to have personal contact with a dealer who could take the time to explain the product and answer questions. The rest is history! From humble beginnings in a northwest Wisconsin warehouse, AMSOIL pioneered an entire industry -- synthetic lubrication -- and established high professional and ethical standards for a unique business opportunity.
Since 1972, the company has seen rapid growth and constant change. One driving force behind the great success of Amsoil is a commitment to quality and constant improvement. As the years passed, an increasingly broad range of automotive and industrial lubricants and filtration equipment was developed, with each new product exceeding industry performance specifications by a wide margin. In addition, the ALTRUM division of personal care items and household products was created, and the AGGRAND line of natural, organic lawn and garden products followed.
Today, Amsoil operates within 100,000 square feet of one of the most modern, clean, well-equipped and well-engineered lubricant blending and packaging plants in the country.
Amsoil's corporate headquarters, manufacturing plants and chemical test laboratories, located in Superior, Wisconsin, boasts state-of-the art equipment and specialists in every facet of lubricant technology. In addition, Amsoil currently has 14 distribution centers through North America (and the world) to keep pace with the increasing demand for Amsoil products.
At AMSOIL, every new additive, chemical and basestock that shows the slightest potential are investigated. The competition is using formulas that Amsoil left behind many years ago ... in favor of newer, more advanced chemistries.
Al Amatuzio insists on continuous product development and improvement. Every day Amsoil continues to perfect the technology of synthetic-based lubricants. And no one in this industry has the reputation for quality that Amsoil holds. Al Amatuzio believes that it pays to add high-quality, long-life additives to high-quality, long-life synthetic basestocks. It pays in fewer oil changes and less waste oil and fewer empty oil containers to dispose of. Amsoil's 100% Synthetic Motor Oils provide a longer service life than any other motor oil on the market, saving customers time and money.
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For over 30 years, AMSOIL has been available through Independent Dealers such as myself. Today, due to the increasing popularity of synthetic lubricants, AMSOIL is also available at many service stations, retail stores, and "Quick Lubes" around the nation.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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DakotaEnthusiast
12/09/2003
11:25:01
| Amsoil vs. Castrol - 100% True Synthetic?
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First, when anyone has ever asked me to compare Amsoil vs "______", I make every attempt to be fair and unbiased. I have recommended Mobil1 to those that still believe they should change their oil every 3k miles. Note: Mobil1 is a very good oil, however in some engines it does not do very well because of it's thinner nature. I have also recommended Castrol Syntec (hydrocracked dino - and NOT a true synthetic) to those that still believe that synthetics are bad.
A 100% TRUE synthetic oil uses either the Group IV or Group V base oil, or a mix of the two, plus their own unique additives package. As a matter of fact, I don't think any of the TRUE synthetics use all of one, they mix a combination of both. Group IV is PAOs (Polyalfaolefins) while Group IV is the esters.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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LarryW
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12/09/2003
12:30:42
| RE: Synthetic switch
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Castrol is known for their bait and switch tactics with the majority of the Syntec line. They made a full 100% synthetic oil prior to 1997 but switched the formula to a hydrocracked group 3 in 1997. Lots of others have followed suit and are now selling Group 3 oil as "full synthetic". Look for a bottle that says PAO for a true synthetic. My case of Amsoil sitting on my garage shelf says PAO meaning that it is a 100% true synthetic.
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Curtis Dreese
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12/10/2003
01:25:06
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BDak,
To answer your question---at 21K you're fine to switch. Go for it.
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12/10/2003
07:01:54
| Amsoil - switch from dino to synthetic
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Thanks Curtis for the clarification,
However, it was posted in my first response as follows:
"Regarding the use of AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils (or any other synthetic oil) in brand new or rebuilt engines, it is recommended, however not mandatory, that the motor (if dino factory fill) be initially operated with petroleum oil up to its first normal drain interval. You are well beyond this with 21k on the odometer."
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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BDak
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12/10/2003
08:18:49
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Thanks!
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