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Andrew
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11/16/2003
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Check this out:
http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16446&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
for info on a rear disk conversion for around $450, prices and options are still being figured out, but the basic kit will be around that price. Ugg is the guy you want to ask any question to. Read all the posts, because most of the questions have been answered already.
Andrew
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TJ Hooker
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11/16/2003
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Not to burst anyone's bubble but here's a few points to ponder. Rear discs are not a worthwhile upgrade for anything other than aesthetic reasons. The drums do just fine.
And the thread on DodgeTalk.com originated in January of 02. If details are still being worked out that tells me the people offering the kit (I don't think Wilwood offers a standard kit for Daks) don't really have the background to re-engineer the rear brakes on my truck. And when going from drum to discs you do have to change the master cylinder also.
Besides, for anyone wanting rear discs that bad you can probably find all the parts in a boneyard and they'll be factory.
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ubigdummy
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11/17/2003
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Not to burst anyone's bubble but here's a few points to ponder. Rear discs are not a worthwhile upgrade for anything other than aesthetic reasons. The drums do just fine.
That is the most BS thing I have ever heard! If you are hauling a trailer in the mountains, specially a heavy one, the lack of fade that disk brakes have over drums is most assuredly a reason to upgrade to disks.
T.J., wanna haul my trailer with yor drums on a steep downhill, say for 8 miles or so, like on I 70 west of Denver, headed east, and be downhill all the way? betcha burn out the rears before you get 4 miles.
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Kowalski
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11/17/2003
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Actually if you are hauling a heavy trailer it should have its own brakes, and most states would require it to.
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rtdkota
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11/17/2003
17:26:59
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" And when going from drum to discs you do have to change the master cylinder also."
Uh... NOT.
"Besides, for anyone wanting rear discs that bad you can probably find all the parts in a boneyard and they'll be factory."
Really? What year Dakota/Durango had factory rear discs? (Besides the 2003+).. Anybody?
...NONE...
Now, there is a rear disc conversion out by Stainless Steel Brake Corp. (and I sell it)... that's a complete, ready to use kit.
Sam
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lotsamorons
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11/17/2003
17:39:58
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That's what I love about this board...lot's of azzes sucking wind.
rtdakota, you big stupid moron, you ask a question and then answer it. Do you believe tha in the last year not 1 Dakota or Durango has ended up in a wrecker somewhere?
What a maroon. But you'll gladly sell somebody a SS Brakes kit for....how much?
You a bigger web whore than that ScamsOil turd.
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oyotaco
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11/18/2003
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wow, cant we all just get along.
i agree that there are a ton of advantages to rear disc, if they were just aesthetic, manufacturers would not go to the trouble of engineering them. As far as using boneyard stuff, the rear disc i think was an option in 2002 and standard on 03's but they are only on the 8 1/2 rear as far as I have seen. I wouldnt think everything would cross over to the 9 1/2 on my truck. But what about the new Ram, its rear disc, could those work? As far as the master cylinder, I dont think that would have to be changed, but an inline check valve would have to be installed. Disc brakes need extra pressure to keep them closer to the disc while not being used. i think wilwood sells that though. just some thoughts.
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What
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11/18/2003
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Discs don't need extra pressure to keep them closer to the disc. They have no need to overcome the extra pressure exerted by the return springs in drum brakes. I suppose you will accuse me of not getting along now that I have called you wrong !
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billyw
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11/18/2003
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lotsamorons-- rtdakota posted valid points.
you on the other hand pointed out you're a 16 year old POS that doesn't know she-ott from shine-olla.
wrecker-- hahaha
more like your a pecker!
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Kowalski
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11/18/2003
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billyw wannabe - why don't you use your own name ? rtdakota did have a valid point that you won't likely be finding these in the boneyards yet, but I've seen enough intelligent posts from the real billyw here to know you're not him.
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Michael
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11/18/2003
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The rear disc conversion is great, I haven't had any problems with it. My front rotors haven't warped again because of the rear discs taking more load than the drums. They do this because you have to do a slight modification to the proportion valve so it will send more pressure to the rear. And the kit came from SSB with a free slotted rotor upgrade and free shipping.
Check out pics from my install @ www.pbase.com/wiz473
And yes my trailer has brakes to.
Later
Z-Tube, R/T Rims, SSB Rear Disc Conversion, Alpine Head-Unit, Infinity Kappa Speakers, SilverStar Headlights, HO Cams & Intake installed.
Got H.O. ?
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rtdkota
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11/18/2003
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Yeah, It's a good kit. Once I get my truck on the road again, i will most likely make the switch-- I don't tow anything, but would like more 'balanced' stopping power.
Take it easy guys! :)
Sam
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Grant
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11/19/2003
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You will have to change your master cylinder if you are converting to disc brakes in the back. The drum brakes have the wheel cylinder which has a around 3 psi pressure in it at all times to help out with the drum brakes. Once you have the disc brakes on there the 3 psi is gone and your master cylinder wont produce enough psi since it still thinks you have wheel cylinders. This is performed, i think, by the proportioning valve on the car. It makes it so the master cylinder produces more power to the fronts than the rear. If you dont change your master cylinder, you wont ever get the correct pressure in the rears for proper braking.
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Michael
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11/19/2003
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Um, sorry but your wrong.
All you do is adjust the piston at the rear of the proportion valve so it distributes more load to the rear for the discs to be fully functional.
The whole setup comes in a kit from SSB and the instructions explain how to do the modification. All it is really is adjusting the spring on the rear piston in the valve. Once again you can see photos of the kit and my install I did last year @ www.pbase.com/wiz473
I really wish some of you would think about what your typing before you post.
Z-Tube, R/T Rims, SSB Rear Disc Conversion, Alpine Head-Unit, Infinity Kappa Speakers, SilverStar Headlights, HO Cams & Intake installed.
Got H.O. ?
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Dave Mitchell
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11/19/2003
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Okay... Blast away... Go ahead and flame me.
My truck's stock rear drums seem to work fine. The front rotors haven't warped.
I have the '01 Quad. I noticed that there are two differentials, 8-1/4" and 9-1/4". I also noticed that there are two sizes or drum brakes, 9" and 11". The 9" drums had wider shoes than the 11" drum brakes, I can't remember the exact dimensions and my factory service manual is at home.
I have the 9-1/4" differential with 11" brakes.
Are the folks that are complaining of weak brakes the ones having the 9" drums?
I have the manual transmission and it is my opinion that the manual transmission allows greater engine braking than the automatics. Perhaps this is why I have had no brake problems?
I also do my own tire rotations rather than having a shop with a minimum wage teen behind an air wrench cinching down my lug nuts. Perhaps this is why I haven't had any problems with warped drums and rotors?
As long as the braking in my truck is sufficient, I have no inclination to convert to disc in the rear.
As for the SS conversion, a previous post here strated that the poster was having some "fitment" problems. Perhaps they ironed that out since.
ANyway, I was just curious about the difference in the braking on the 9" vs. 11" drums.
Dave
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Grant
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11/19/2003
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Hey Michael, i was thinking about what i was saying when i was typing it, that is why it is also right. If someone was upgrading to disc's and didnt have that kit, they would have to change there master cylinder. I was stating it as a point of mechanics on a vehicle. Not all upgrades will have a kit to be able to change the proportioning valve. I would say that its cool that the SSB comes with that because it will save you money. But before you go saying that people dont know what they are talking about, why dont you actually read the posts properly and notice that what i am saying is a true fact, maybe not in your case specifically, but it is something that has to be changed when converting to rear discs. Im just trying to help people out that do not know about changing rear discs. Not all conversions will come with kits.
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GraphiteDak
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11/19/2003
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I don't have any brakes on my trailer and the stock 4 wheel disc brakes on my '03 Dak stop excellent.
I don't know if the tow package I have has bigger rotors on the back than withour thr otw package or not but when you look at my rear rotors they look about the same size as the front where usually the rear discs looks miniture on typical vehicles. I haven;t measured them or anything so I'm not sure if they are AS big but by LOOKING at them it looks the same.
And without my trailer I've had people stop in front of me. This truck stops on a f#cking dime!
By the way. These things made a HUM sound with light braking when I backed up ever since I bought the truck.
Simply jack up the rear,remove the rear wheels and brake pads and touch up the rotors with a fine rotory sanding pad while it is in gear. It stops the hum completely.
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albert
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12/31/2003
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After reading several past posts about front rotors warping (just like mine), it seems that the major problem might be the improper adjustment of the rear drums. Many people seem torn about whether to do a rear disc conversion, but wouldn't this cure the problem? Wouldn't this replace the inadequate adjusting screw and provide consistent brake proportioning?
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gen1dak
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12/31/2003
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Uhhh, guys. What TJ Hooker stated in the second entry in this thread is exactly what Carrol Shelby said many years ago in an interview. He was discussing his wrangling with Chrysler management over the Shelby Signature-series cars he was involved with in the 80's. There's nothing wrong with rear discs, but they aren't necessary. The Mopar management wan't them for marketing purposes. They're cool, and it does simplify parts management and replacement. On personal experience, also many years ago, my dad had a '75 3/4 ton Dodge he used for towing an 8,000+lb bull dozer (yes, on a trailer). The truck had front discs, rear drums. He averaged 3 sets of front discs to each set of rear drums. Why? Apply the brakes, and where does the weight shift to? The front.....and this is why front discs are better up front. That's where the bulk of the braking effort is needed. Now, in a slammed truck, or something like a Viper, where the weight balance stays more closely centered, and doesn't vary much, you'll get more use out of rear discs, but, again, they're not vital.
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teamfast
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1/01/2004
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Good point.
For us Canadians, Bill Gardnier on Motoring 2004 also brings up a valid point for rear drums. The snow and salt are slug into the caliper setup on rear disc setups. So while a few years down the road drums are still barnd new inside, calipers and such start to freeze up, and are in far worse shape. For the amount of braking force used in a conventional disc drum setup by the rears, an upgrade advantage is minimal. They do look good, and are easier to swap pads, but at what cost? He finishes by saying manufacturers should go back to drums in the rear.
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Its a fad
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1/01/2004
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Front disc brakes are a useful, purposeful upgrade. The front brakes do 90% of the stopping on our trucks.
Rear discs provide no benefit and like the whole SUV craze are just a hollow promise that some soccer mom wants because it will save her and her uterine ejacs while she's out running over sub compacts trying to get the best parking spot at WalMart.
Face it people, rear discs are a very expensive and very worthless "upgrade" meant to fool the ricky road racer types into believing they have a performance pickmeup truck.
But like everything else, if you want to buy it some con man will sell it.
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