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Dirty D
Dodge Dakota
6/13/2001
16:35:46
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My parents own a 98 Mercury Mountaineer, and are getting new tires because of the recall.
We have narrowed it down to two choices
My choice-
BFG Long Trail TA
Their Choice-
Michelin LTX M&S
What are y'alls opinion on this situation??
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Dan Gruber
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6/13/2001
18:33:30
|  RE: BFG vs. Michelin (Tire Quest.)
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Go with the Michelins. They are generally more expensive, but they last forever and are quiet. I'm assuming that since your parents bought a Mountaineer in the first place, they don't do any serious off-roading and would probably be more interested in a quality tire that is relatively quiet, but would still give them more than adequate traction for the occasional dirt road or trip to the ski slopes.
If you haven't done so already, look at the feedback on both of those tires at www.tirerack.com to get some actual comments from people who own the tires.
Dan
2000 CC SLT 4.7 4X4 Auto 3.55 LSD
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
6/13/2001
21:53:21
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Go with Goodyear AT/S or HT or HP they are better then michelin and BFG which are the same company. I owned all brands and have realized that no one can compair with the preformance and reliability of goodyear.
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SavaTruck
Dakota Enthusiast
6/14/2001
03:06:17
| RE: BFG vs. Michelin (Tire Quest.)
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Tell them to leave the tires they have on them now. The NHTSA released several reports that state the actual number of defective tires was low and that the Ford Explorer is twice as likely to roll over in a blowout than any other SUV. The continueing recalls are just a media blitz created by Ford in an attempt keep the media and NHTSA from investigating the actual design of the Ford Explorer. in short, their tires are fine, people should stop letting Ford shit on a good tire company's reputation.
Drink Coke, the sweet Brown nectar of the gods.
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SharpV6
Dodge Dakota
6/14/2001
09:54:15
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I would stay with Firestone tires, I have the LT235's on my truck and have not had any problems with them. Got well over 55,000 on the first set. Anyone who runs only 26lbs of air in their tires for highway driving should be driving a car, just my opinion.
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
6/14/2001
10:11:03
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Tell that to someone whos laying in a ditch dead.
If ford is offering free tires of your choice either goodyear or mich or bfg or what ever go and get them. Why risk it. No explorers with goodyear tires had a blow out for no reason yet. In my opinion your tires are the biggest safty feature on a car or truck. If your airbags are defected or your seatbelts didnt work you would probably never buy one of those cars again but when tires fail to just go get them again sounds a little stupid.
Plus i dont care if ford shits on a stupid japan company when we have our own american company here (GOODYEAR) let brigestone/firestone cause there problems at there home.
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SavaTruck
Dakota Enthusiast
6/14/2001
12:43:52
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Actually Mar, the reason that there haven't been accidents with goodyears or BFGs is that they've not been stocked on the Explorer by Ford. Mar, I don't know where you get your information, but the Ford Explorer experiences constant oversteer at highway speeds, combine this with low tire pressures and you get tread separation at highway speeds. rollovers that occur after the blown tire are a vehicular design flaw and need to be treated as such. And another thing, Firestone was founded in the year 1900 in Akron Ohio. They were bought by japanese bridgestone in 1988 but moved their corporate headquarters from japan to Akron Ohio. They moved again from Akron to Nashville. It sounds like you have racial intolerance issues, I'd suggest strong consoling so maybe you won't be indifferent to people for being born in a different country than you.
Drink Coke, the sweet Brown nectar of the gods.
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
6/14/2001
13:21:11
| RE: BFG vs. Michelin (Tire Quest.)
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I dont have any Racial issues as a matter of fact i like all people and treat everyone the same. I just belive in being patriotic and support ones own. Especially since we have the biggest and best tire company right hear. Just remember we are talking about tires hear and I have owned a pair of bridgestones on a 4runner and i can say the only thing that makes me more scared then a blow out is haveing to drive with bridgestones in the snow. I had firestones on a car they were the AFFINITA or somthing and after 50000 they did blow out on me. So yes if i had to option to get new tires i would take it. I dont like driving around it tires that are right on the edge of blowing out. With goodyear you get 3 steel belts instead of firestones 2 and the tempature rating is A or B not the firestone AT's C which is Acceptable i dont like it when my tires are acceptable i want them to be good.
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SavaTruck
Dakota Enthusiast
6/14/2001
13:52:19
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C'mon Mar! compare apples to apples! The firestone AT tires have 2 steel belts, and the most any goodyear tire has advertised on goodyear's web site is 2 steel belts. the Firestone affinitys are budget tires. Compare the Bridgestone Dueller to the Wrangler! I'll betcha the Dueller's a better tire any day! and it's the same price, an apple for an apple. the firestone affinity compares to the goodyear conquest... do the research yourself. What does a C tempurature rating really mean? you probably don't know, you just know a B is better than a C, but have no idea how it plays out in performance and durability. I can't change your mind about firestone because you had an affinity blow out on you.... ooh, rough. just watch, the NHTSA will investigate the ford explorer and find that it is indeed to blame for the deaths of those people, and not the tire. So go ahead, keep blaming the tire because the truck rolls over, see how far it gets you with the illusionary safety of the american goodyear brand.
Drink Coke, the sweet Brown nectar of the gods.
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Doug
Dodge Dakota
6/14/2001
13:55:55
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A,B,& C rate load, not temperature, temp wuold come from rolling friction of the tire. tires are also marked on the sidewall for max load and pressure mine are rated 2250 lbs at 50 psig.tire also acording to either 60 minutes or 20 20 the explorers still had blow out roll overs after going to other tires.
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
6/14/2001
14:14:21
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A, B, C are both load and temp. Ok i will not make anymore comments about the explorer incidednt until the report comes out. And yes i agree that the affinity is a budget tire but are you saying that just because its a budget tire it has the right to blow out. I understand that tires like everything else mass produced have faults so i dont blame firestone but the preformance of this tire was crap to begin with. As for the Wrangler / Dueller comment well it was the Duellers that i had on the 4 runner and i DIDN'T have a problem with them or the wear but they sucked in anything but dry pavement. I know a lot of people that have bought mustangs and they are scared in the rain because of there Bridgestones. Goodyear Owns Dunlop, Kelly, Debica, and Sava and are on %75 of the cars today. Debica and Sava are some of the worlds best preforming tires and Dunlop and kelly have there own reputations. All of there Good point are now in goodyears hands. Unlike Michelin who buys BFG which makes identical tires to there own goodyear expanded there horizan and bought tires that have preformance, Longlife and are in diffrent regions of the world and are put on diffrent cars in diffrent climates. Goodyear bashing is (for me) one of the top 10 biggest mysteries of the planet.
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
6/14/2001
14:16:39
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As for the 2020 report. It could have been the new and improved firestones. Or it (more likly) was just a guy driving that hit a nail had a blow out didnt know how to drive and rolled over and 2020 had to come and make big news out of nothing. At least the upside to this whole deal is that dodge is getting more buissness.
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smoody
Dodge Dakota
6/14/2001
17:29:36
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I just replaced the tires on my 97 Mountaineer due
to the recall. I got the Michelins and am VERY
happy with them. Much quieter and a smoother ride
than the Flintstones. You will not be disappointed
with the Mich's. It has made such an impression on
me that all my tires in the future will be Michelins.
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Dirty D
Dodge Dakota
6/14/2001
21:35:47
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All of this is very nice replys, but come on now, this was a question, not a ring to throw words back and forth.
Anyway, what is oversteer, Is it when the vehichle wants to push in the turns rather than actually turn, and just keeps going straight while turning?
Thanks,
Why Coke, DRINK PEPSI,what the Gods wanted Coke to be instead, (HeHeHe, just a joke SavaTruck!)
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Ralphp
Dodge Dakota
6/14/2001
23:55:42
| RE: BFG vs. Michelin (Tire Quest.)
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I know that this isn't exactly related to all-terrain tires, but in the June issue of Petersen's 4 wheel&off-road they did a comparison of nine top-rated mud tires in very deep mud. Out of the top five performing tires, the Good Year MT/R radial was surpassed in traction only by the Super Swamper SSR radial and the Super Swamper Bogger. It even out-performed the Swamper TSL, Gumbo Mudder and the BF Goodrich M/T. I was kind of surprised.
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Scotty
Dodge Dakota
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7/25/2003
10:19:33
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can any one tell me who owns michelin tire co. I was under the impression it is owned by Sears Roebuck...true or not??
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Rob454
Dodge Dakota
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7/25/2003
11:19:41
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I would get the Michelins.
As for the ford roll over none of you guys think the driver may be the least bit responsible or had a percentage of fault in the roll over? i think most people when they have a blow out tend to slam on the brakes or want to slow rapidly.
Im sure if the truck itself is found to be at fault Ford is gonna have one hell of a day trying to recall 1 billion explorers. Even so the case would end up in court for another thousand years
Rob
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DakRat
Dodge Dakota
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7/25/2003
17:07:52
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Michelin, BF Goodrich, and Uniroyal, are all French owned - seriously. Goodyear is American. Check out http://www.howtobuyamerican.com
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JasonB
Dodge Dakota
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7/25/2003
18:17:24
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I never cared where Goodyear was made or owned. Their tires are crap and so is the warranty support behind them. I love supporting American products, but only when the quality is worth purchasing.
Put that choice in front of me and I'll take Michelin's everytime.
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