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Don
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Although Rusty Wallace uses Mobil 1 in his racecar, and I'm a big fan of his.
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Oxymoron
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Do "honest" and "Amsoil" belong together in the same sentence?
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RealDon
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Twice on this thread someone has posted pretending to be me.
I guess I upset little Cory and his Gay Blue Dakota. I got my grandson to show me how to add a link. LOL LOL LOL
The True Story Of EyeTrip on DodgeDakotas.com
You have to read the whole thread to get the WHOLE story.
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RealDon
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To Oxymoron, (U R The Moron)
Yes .... "Honest" and "Amsoil" belong in the same sentence. Amsoil has been in the industry for 30 years and no Better Business Bureau (BBB) complaints, and NO Federal Trade Commission (FTC) investigations into false advertising.
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Bungholio
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I don't see no eyetrip on that thread. what you talking bout willis?
I lube my bungholio with samsoil
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Real Don
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Check out that thread and these two posts:
EyeTrip was posting as Hmmmm and got busted!
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LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Don
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RealDon
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DurangoDude,
1.) You are on the wrong website.
2.) A good thread explaining why Amsoil will never be facrory fill:
Speciality Suppliers Will Never Be Factory Fill - Giving Products Away
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RealDon
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10/12/2003
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OxyMoron, BungHole-io, and EyeTrip
Why not switch A-L-L of your fluids to SYNTHETIC?
Replacing ALL Fluids with Synthetics
P.S. We're just getting started!!!
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Jim
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Amsoil will never be factory fill since no reputable auto manufacturer would be associated with an inferior product. Simple.
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RealDon
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One of my Better Posts from a long time ago
Here were my words:
I have followed the "synlube" industry for 20-plus years, do some work with polymer based materials, and build race engines as a hobby.
(I know you didn't ask but) I'd say Mobil1 is the best of the "commonly" available synthetics and is probably the best oil at "that" price point. If that is all that fits your budget, use it because I'm not knocking it. However, Mobil1 is somewhat constrained in their formulation approach as they are trying to make a licensed product and sell it in that "lower" price range (formulated to be very good but not the best for price point reasons..I think you guys were seeing it for $18 5-qt jug).
This "lower retail price approach" limits the amount of zinc and phosphorus Mobil can use in the formulation to provide wear protection. This is why they have to play around with moly in their new Supersyn oils to get acceptable wear performance over long drain intervals.
You are making a good choice with Amsoil or Redline. I do think that Amsoil and Redline make better synthetics than Mobil1, especially Amsoil and their extended drain synthetics, but they are up in the $7.00-$8.00/qt range, so this isn't a fair comparison. Amsoil & Redline compared to Mobil1 is not apples to apples. I've had excellent results with the Amsoil Series 2000/3000 products in my personal vehicles, with change intervals of 15k-20k miles. I only use Redline for the race cars.
There are other less readily available alternatives, but when you think of real synthetics for real people, most people would agree that there are only 3 popular brands in North America: (I said popular, not only.)
Mobil1: easy to find, relatively cheap, good detergency.
Amsoil: Lasts long, excellent additive package, and stable against oxidation.
Redline: Good engine performance. (API aproved oils only, race oil is not for Joe Public unless you like tearing down and rebuilding engines)
...... and Big Blue QC's response:
"Don, this is the second post from you I have read and good first hand knowledge is always appreciated as well as Sandmans' responses. At least I appreciate it. Keep it up. Thanks "
I am real. Prove to me that the rest of you "flamers" are.
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Zimdog
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That's right Jim. That's why you don't see an Amsoil car at the Nascar races......it would never run long enough.....LOLOLOL
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CG
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I'm sure Steven appreciates all the flamers bumping this Amsoil thread - as the flamers do with all the Amsoil threads.
As the old Hollywood (and Marketing) saying goes.
Any news is good news as long as it keeps your name in front of the public.
..... He who laughs last .... (you know the rest)
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PClarke
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Zimdog
Are you trying to tell us that the Tide Car has Tide Detergent in the engine, or in the tank?
Does the Viagra Car have Viagra in the engine or in the tank?
I think I made my point.
Winston Cup? Cigarettes in the engine or the tank?
Nextel Cup? I guess Nextel phones monitor the cars performance.
It is called Sponsorship .... FOOL.
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Hehe
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I just like seeing the same Amsoil guy respond to all the other posts. Like we don't know its him starting all these threads so he can answer himself. LOLOLOLOL Must be hard up to sell this crap!
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jester
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"Does the Viagra Car have Viagra in the engine or in the tank?"
Yes, and Mark Martin reported that his car was a little stiff handling.
badumcha
Thank you, thank you very much.
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Well Well.
Amazing what happens to a thread over the weekend.
Well I am back at the office this morning and perhaps we can turn this thread around.
I do not have to defend Amsoil. Amsoil is recognized as one of the TOP Synthetic Motor Oils in the World. Amsoil spares no expense when it comes to additives, selecting the most robust additive packages on the market. These additives keep AMSOIL motor oils shear stable, resist the degrading effects of varnish and sludge, keep engine components clean and deposit-free and effectively resist rust, corrosion and foaming.
I would like to post the following article reprinted from an Industry Trade Magazine. Not my words ... but a respected Industry professional.
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(David McFall's column on AMSOIL, reprinted from "Lubes 'n' Greases" Industry Trade Magazine, March 2003, in the hopes of "Reducing America's Dependence On Foreign Oil", and the elimination of tens of millions of unnecessary oil changes)
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AMSOIL Applauded for Extended Drain Technology
AMSOIL founder A.J. Amatuzio coined the phrase "extended drain intervals" back in 1972 with the introduction of AMSOIL 10W-40 Synthetic Motor Oil, formulated for 25,000-mile/one-year drain intervals. Not only was AMSOIL motor oil the first synthetic oil to pass American Petroleum Institute (API) service requirements, AMSOIL INC. was the only motor oil company promoting oil drains beyond 3,000 miles.
Today, motorists are still bombarded with propaganda from the major oil companies promoting 3,000-mile oil changes. However, the industry is slowly but surely coming around. Vehicle manufacturers typically suggest 5,000- to 7,500-mile intervals in their owners manuals, and many manufacturers have also started incorporating oil life monitors into their vehicles, allowing motorists to safely extend drain intervals by monitoring oil life and alerting drivers when the oil needs changing. Competing oil companies have also begun marketing their own synthetics, some claiming service lives extending beyond 3,000 miles.
Lubes-n-Greases Automotive Editor David McFall, once with the American Petroleum Institute recently tackled the issue of extended drain intervals in his March column, criticizing the standard 3,000-mile oil change and referring to the American motor oil market as "shackled".
"In Europe the average engine oil drain interval for current gasoline-fueled cars is about 10,000 miles," explains McFall. "In the United States, indicates the Automotive Oil Change Association, the average drain interval followed by most drivers is somewhat less than 5,000 miles, one-half of Europe's.
"Every year in the United States, this "too-short" drain interval results in the unneeded production of 300 million to 400 million gallons of engine oil; excess consumer expenditures of around $1.5 billion; and tens of millions of unnecessary oil changes."
Not only are these unnecessary oil changes an expense to consumers, explains McFall, but they have an environmental cost as well. "The added environmental cost of having an average 5,000-mile oil drain interval (instead of 10,000 miles, as in Europe) may be nearly 100 million gallons of engine oil being dumped, untreated, into the U.S. environment annually."
McFall's examination of Mobil 1, Shell and AMSOIL demonstrates the differences among companies who are shackled to the current system and one who isn't.
According to an ExxonMobil spokesperson, "Car owners should follow the oil change intervals specified by the manufacturer. We believe it is inappropriate to recommend drain intervals that may conflict with those set forth by the car manufacturer's specifications."
"Here, in a nutshell," says McFall, "is this observer's take on ExxonMobil's and the oil industry's 'owner's manual' position: It is designed solely to increase motor oil sales." He backs it up by mentioning that Mobil 1 SuperSyn motor oil claims to meet European ACEA A5 and B5-02 specifications, two specifications intended to extend oil drain intervals. "If the oil can be used in Europe for extended drain intervals, why doesn't ExxonMobil notify U.S. consumers of that capability?" asks McFall.
Although Shell Oil Products, owner of Pennzoil-Quaker State, has broken through the shackles enough to offer an API unlicensed oil specially formulated for higher mileage engines, they make no mention of a recommended drain interval, preferring instead to avoid the issue and keep consumers in the dark.
McFall marvels at the success of the independent motor oil company that offers drain intervals up to 11 times longer than the standard interval offered by conventional oils, saying, "Purists can sniff that AMSOIL's data isn't derived from a controlled field study, but the sheer mountain of vehicle miles over three decades, and the absence of any confirmed performance, wear or maintenance issues, speaks volumes."
McFall sums up his column by highlighting the true value of AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oil, stating the cost may be "two to three times higher than most retail conventional oils but if you can securely count on a 15,000- to 25,000-mile drain interval, it's a flat-out bargain, not to mention providing a clear environmental bonus."
So, what is it that allows AMSOIL motor oils to be used for extended drain intervals, while other oils must be changed significantly sooner? First, the synthetic base stocks with which AMSOIL motor oils are formulated are worlds apart in quality compared with conventional base stocks. The synthetic molecules are uniform in size and shape, resisting the vaporization that boils off the smaller molecules of conventional motor oils and leaves behind a thicker, higher viscosity oil that compromises engine protection. AMSOIL motor oils surpass even the most stringent European volatility standards, providing superior protection for extended drain intervals.
Second, AMSOIL spares no expense when it comes to additives, selecting the most robust additive packages on the market. These additives keep AMSOIL motor oils shear stable, resist the degrading effects of varnish and sludge, keep engine components clean and deposit-free and effectively resist rust, corrosion and foaming.
By using only the highest quality synthetic base stocks and additives available, AMSOIL motor oils are capable of extended drain intervals, all while maintaining performance, providing long-term wear protection and fuel economy, keeping engines clean and deposit-free, providing cold weather starts and protecting against rust and corrosion.
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Lubes 'n' Greases logo is a Registered Trademark of LNG Publishing Company, Inc.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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RealDon
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Hey Steven, I waited a day to see if there were any responses to your last post. That article should silence the critics and the disbelievers.
Keep the shiny side up and the greasy side down.
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Geez
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Why don't you two get a hotel room so you can really give your lubes a workout.
Personally I really don't give a flying fcuk about Amsoil or your love of it. I'll stick to my Mobil 1, thank you very much. The only reason anybody posts anything about Amsoil is because someone who sponsors this site wants to sell more. That's fine but beating people over the head with it is a turn off and only makes me stick to what I use even more. You need to work on your marketing tehnique more. I for one will never buy Amsoil after reading crap like this.
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RealDon
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Wait a minute Geez,
A bunch of good guys ( at least 5 or 6 ), and a couple of flamers (including yourself with the get a hotel comment). You are the one that should leave this thread alone if you have nuthin to add.
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m3bim
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As a BMW ///M3 owner, I have seen many such discussions on the topic of synthetic oils. Based on the R&D reports and specifications from the various oil manufacturers, there is no question that Amsoil is at the top of the quality heap. There is vastly more to the topic than mere emotional attachment or resistance to paying the cost of a superior product. This does not mean that all other oils are crap, but it is also not apples and apples we're talking about.
BTW, I bought my 94 V8 4x2 as a *sacrificial* vehicle, to keep the miles off of my real driving machine.
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