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Matt
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Ok well i couldnt find my post that i left earlier for anything, a little frustrating. So here we go again. My friend wants to run sythetics in his 01 Dakota 4.7 . I have just a few quesitons
How long between intervals with the synthetic, 10,000 miles? His truck has 50,000 some miles.
How long between filter changes and what filter is a good filter to use?
Any other things that i should know before switching?
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Matt
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Matt
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8/27/2003
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anyone?
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8/27/2003
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Matt,
It depends on which Synthetic Oil he is using.
Mobil1 (and some other TRUE Synthetics) can easily be run 5k - 7.5k miles (depending upon driving conditions, habits, environment, etc).
Amsoil recommends that you can go between 2 - 3 times longer than the manufacturers oil change interval guidelines. Redline recently confirmed (in a public announcement) that extended drains up to 25k miles between changes (only with UOA's) are possible but not recommended - so they back Amsoil's claims.
On-The-Shelf Synthetics in Europe are now approaching 15k mile oil change intervals. *** NOTE: European Oils are formulated to a higher standard with better base oils and additives in Europe than the US. Here in the US ... it is sooooooo profitable to "Big Oil" and the Quick Lubes, that they will continue to market the 3k mile oil change. ***
Also, If he is using a "Fake Synthetic", Group III vs. a Group IV or IV, I would stay within the manufacurers guidlines and certainly not go over 5k miles. Make sure it is a quality Group III like Castrol or Amsoil XL7500 which was formulated for the Quick Lubes and should be changed every 7500 miles (hence XL7500).
Filter: DIRT is the enemy! Change the filter when you change the oil, unless you are on the extended drain interval program using a UOA (Used Oil Analysis), then the recommendation is different. There are many good manufacturers, and many bad ones. You want the BEST quality? I can recommend a filter in the $8 - $12 range. On a strict budget? ... I can recommend a very good filter in the $2 range.If you search on this Forum for "Oil Filter Manufacturers" you will probably find some good recommendations.
I believe I was as unbiased in my answers as possible.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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8/27/2003
09:29:42
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Matt,
Why Synthetics vs Conventional Petroleum Oil?
SYNTHETIC VS. CONVENTIONAL PETROLEUM
Conventional lubricants are refined from crude oil which has thousands of types of molecules. Refining is a process of physically separating the impurities from the oil and further separating the light and heavy components. Because refining separates products by weight, it groups molecules of similar weight and dissimilar structure. The result is a lubricant with a wide assortment of molecules. Some of the substances in crude oil are detrimental to lubrication. Paraffins, for example, are a common conventional oil contaminant that causes motor oil to thicken in cold temperatures.
Synthetic motor oils are made from pure chemicals, not refined crude. Their components are chemically reacted to produce finished products with pre-designed performance characteristics. Because of their molecular uniformity, they excel in reducing friction, which improves fuel efficiency, controls heat and reduces wear. This molecular uniformity also helps synthetics resist thinning in hot temperatures and thickening in cold.
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fred
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8/29/2003
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Steven,
How do you tell if an oil is Hydrocracked and fake, or a true synthetic? Is it as simple as looking for the word "hydrocracked"? Or, is there something more? Any other words used to describe the differences? Is the information on the bottle?
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herbert
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8/30/2003
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Wasn't Castrol Syntec a real synyhetic oil before Castrol decided to go the cheap route with their overpriced fake synth oil? Why can they still use the syntec name if fake.
Why did they revert to a lesser oil?
Why did they confuse people like me?
I only just found out that Castrol is a fake.
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Tellya
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8/30/2003
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Cause "synthetics" are a waste of money. Change your oil every 3k with whatever you want, and barring any manufacturing defects, your engine will last at least 300,000 miles.
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Tellya2
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8/30/2003
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Tellya,
Dakotas are a waste of money.
Any basic truck by any company, Ford Chevy
Foreign, will get you there for 1/2 the price.
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Don
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8/30/2003
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I'll repeat my words from another thread.
If you plan on keeping your car 7,10,15 years the long term deposits from dino oils in the ring pack, pickup screen, oil galleys, emission system and lifters really become an issue. EGR valves are not cheap and niether is decarboning or top cylinder cleaning etc.. on a regular basis. As the oils keep getting thiner and OCI's keep getting longer I think these issues will become evident. Now if a good GIII oil was produced and marketed as a good dino oil then alot of these same issues go away. Eventuly the greedy blood sucking scum bags that push GIII as synthetic will be forced to sell GIII at down to earth prices. This will also force them to compete on a level playing field with companys that have been honest enough to sell a true synthetic at the same or cheaper price point!! Castrol ... you are SCUM.
My prediction for this to happen is 10 years. Ester and PAO based oils are going to make so much progress in the next 10 years that these scum bags selling GIII as true synthetic will not be able to compete and will be forced to do the right thing.
All major car/truck manufacturers realize the benefits of TRUE Synthetics ... especially with the longer warranties that they are offering. More and more are factory fill synthetic. The future is here and it is spelled S-Y-N-T-H-E-T-I-C.
Don
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Tellya
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8/30/2003
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That's a load of crapola dude. Properly maintained engines have and will continue to outlive you, with regular old oil. Don't waste your money.
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Pennsoil suck
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Tellya,
I am no mechanic and I don't no sh*t about taking apart an engine, but when I brought my Dakota I bought new to a local mechanic I trust to replace the rear main seal that was leaking just after warranty was up (me happy about that)he told me that I had a large amount of sludge in the engine, or something to that effect. He asked me what kind of oil? I said pennz/quickelube crappola. You get the idea. Fact was that I had been changing the oil every 3000 miles as directed. He says start using at least a bottled oil, not the sh*t they pump from the big drums. Heck I even noticed a burning smell and a varnish look on the dip stick using that cr*p oil for the first 3 years.
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Jizzler
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8/31/2003
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Another vote for synth!
* Price? I get better gas mileage and go twice as long with $25 worth of Mobile1 and a $10 filter. Cost-wise it's even for me.
If I had switched when my van was new and had stuff like Amsoil and their 12K filters, I could probably do 9K+ intervals and save money. That's still conservative considering the large number of people that use Amsoil and only change the oil once a year and the filter 2 or 3 times a year.
* It's a lot more environmental friendly than dino oil. Even if I was paying more, this is a much higher priority on my list than saving a couple dollars.
* Being able to handle extreme temperatures is good if there's ever a cooling problem. Back when I ran dino my waterpump broke. Only noticed when my engine started to run 'not so smooth'. If I hadn't gotten off the road right then it probably would have sludged and then possibly froze up. Later on after I had switched to synth one my radiator hoses started to leak. Engine ran hot for a long time until I noticed the temp gauge all the way at "H". After fixing the hose I checked the oil and it was like new.
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Marty
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I am part of the Synthetic Crowd:
Reduced wear and downtime.
Improved equipment life and reliability.
Lower operating temperatures.
Reduced part replacement (costs and downtime).
Reduced bearing and equipment vibrations.
Improved Gasoline Mileage (and at $2 gal. I need help)
Reduced maintenance costs.
Starts (and sounds) better in Winter (which is approaching)
Longer time between drains (I don't like changing oil in snow)
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Norm
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9/03/2003
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Steve.
Who makes the Walmart SuperTech 100% Synthetic oil?
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Norm
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Oh, and don't try to sway my decision. A simple answer if you know it will suffice. Thank you.
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9/03/2003
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Fred,
I re-read prior posts. Sorry I overlooked your question earlier:
"How do you tell if an oil is Hydrocracked and fake, or a true synthetic?"
Answer:
Most are not labeled on the quart bottles or the larger jugs. I think the easiest way is to compare the low temperature Pour Points. The Group III will not have as low of a Pour Point as the Group IV or Group V.
Otherwise, you have to dig for the information. To clarify the confusion Amsoil is labeling it's Synthetic Oils ... Full PAO Synthetic (which is a TRUE Synthetic, Group IV / V.). If I remember correctly, there was a thread here where I listed Group III, and Group IV / Group V. Perhaps you can find it. It took a long time to organize and I don't have it readily available. If you have a specific inquiry please let me know.
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Norm,
Walmart Supertech is blended and packaged by Quaker State ... and it's a Group III based oil, not 100% TRUE Synthetic PAO. I believe the national price is running at about $7.50 for a 5 quart jug. Remember, ... judge an oil by what is does and not what it costs.
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9/03/2003
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Norm,
I hope you did not find my response as trying to ... sway your decision. I was typing my response prior to your second post. There was no mention that SuperTech was an inferior product, or that Amsoil was a superior product. Every engine has it's own specific needs. If Supertech fits your needs then it is certainly attractively priced. You be the judge.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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Norm
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Steve
I was not the second Norm. I only asked one
question and nothing else. Thanks for the info.
It's for my lawn equipment and I just wanted to
make sure it was not bottom of the barrel oil
imported from a third world country or worse.
Norm
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Hey Norm, where do you think all the oil comes from? Beverly Hills? Moron.
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Norm
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I know the CRUDE oil comes from unsavory places.
My concern was the refinery, and their reputation.
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