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PeeDee
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8/25/2003
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Hi, I have seen a lot of info about Amsoil vs. Mobil, but I haven't found any about Valvoline. My local dealer uses Just switched from Mobil to Valvoline full syn for my 02 Dak Quad, 4.7. I want the best I can get, so please advise. I do 10 mile rural road trips to work every day, and about 100 miles mixed, total on the weekends.
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8/26/2003
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PeeDee,
First, when anyone has ever asked me to compare Amsoil vs "______", I make every attempt to be fair and unbiased. I have recommended Mobil1 to those that still believe they should change their oil every 3k miles. I have recommended Castrol Syntec (hydrocracked dino - and NOT a true synthetic) to those that still believe that synthetics are bad.
So here I go ... with blunt honesty:
Valvoline Synthetic uses a Group III base oil, so it's not technically a synthetic, but hydrocracked dino (PRETEND SYNTHETIC), and there really is no comparison between it and Amsoil, which is a TRUE SYNTHETIC (other than it's XL7500 line that is).
Valvoline's additive package is pretty weak, while Amsoil's is very good. Long drain intervals are Amsoil's big selling feature, and I would not want to chance going long intervals with Valvoline, as I don't believe it would handle it very well. If you remain with Valvoline, your oil should be changed often and regularly.
A TRUE synthetic uses either the Group IV or Group V base oil, or a mix of the two, plus their own unique additives package. As a matter of fact, I don't think any of the TRUE synthetics use all of one, they mix a combination of both. Group IV is PAOs (Polyalfaolefins) while Group IV is the esters.
If you insist on using a NON-SYNTHETIC ... I would recommend Castrol or Amsoil XL7500 over the Valvoline. Both the Castrol and Amsoil hold up better as per my interpretations of Used Oil Analysis' (UOA's) on all three.
IMHO ... Amsoil XL7500 and Castrol put up some of the best UOA's within the hydrocracked Group III Oils. NOTE TO THE FLAMERS: I made positive comments about Mobil1 and CASTROL.
Repeat: Valvoline's is NOT a true synthetic oil, and their additive package is pretty weak
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jake
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8/26/2003
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At most retail stores, the fake stuff ..... Valvoline, Castrol, and Pennzoil, all Group III synthetics are priced similar to M1. Why not just go with the M1 ..... the real deal?
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Mobil1luver
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8/26/2003
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This is from the Mobile One website:
Mobil 1® comes as standard equipment in some of the finest production vehicles you can buy. It's "factory fill" in Chevrolet Corvette, all Porsches, Mercedes-Benz AMG models, Dodge Viper, Ford Mustang Cobra R and all Aston Martin cars. Here are some remarks from some of the top engineers and executives at these renowned manufacturers.
"Every car produced in the factory in Stuttgart gets its first oil from Mobil 1. And that means that all our cars and engines are developed with that product."
– Herbert Ampferer, Director,
Porsche Motorsports
"Mobil 1 is the only oil we use for our engines as the first filling. And then we put the sticker in the engine compartment just to make sure that people know what's in their engines."
– Domingos Piedade, Managing Director,
Mercedes-Benz AMG
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peedee
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8/26/2003
11:22:22
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So, if I did decide to use Amsoil, which should I use in my 02, 4.7, quad? Which is the best?
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8/26/2003
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Mobil1luver,
What is your point?
I recommended Amsoil, Mobil1, and Castrol.
Again, What is the reason for your post?
"Factory Fill" means nothing except low-bid and a marketing agreement. Amsoil has been approached to be factory fill for many of the vehicles mentioned in your copy of the Mobil1 website (Takes a real genius to "copy and paste").
Because Amsoil is not readily available in EVERY Country where the vehicles are sold ... they were not able to submit the RFP (Request For Proposal). "On-The-Shelf" availability in EVERY Country where the vehicles are sold is one of the requirements. That is why Schaffers, Redline, Royal Purple, and Amsoil will never be "factory fill".
McDonalds is a Household name. Is it the BEST burger?
Miller Beer is a Household name. Is it the Best Beer?
Think before you post please, or at least use your real name so we can laugh at your ignorance.
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PeeDee,
Use any of our Amsoil Synthetic Oils or Lubricants and stay within the manufacturers guidelines as to viscosity.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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Mobil1luver
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8/26/2003
12:12:44
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From the Mobil 1 website:
Mobil 1 is used in race cars around the world – NASCAR, Formula 1, endurance racers, you name it. Here are some comments from some of the top drivers and race engineers who rely on the protection of Mobil 1.
"We really want to push everything to the limit, and without the best oil, you just can't do it. Mobil 1 has been able to let me do a lot of things that we haven't been able to do in the past."
– Rusty Wallace, NASCAR race driver
"I've been using Mobil almost my entire career. I've had over 50 wins. That's something I'm really proud of and I owe a lot of that to Mobil 1."
– Rusty Wallace, NASCAR race driver
"Formula One is an extremely rigorous test ground for the Mobil product. We're seeing extremely high temperatures, high loads in the engine, and of course the lubricants and fuels that support those processes have to be the very best. And that's exactly what we strive to achieve with our partner, Mobil."
– Ron Dennis, President and CEO, TAG McLaren Group
"To race a car in the 24 Hours of Le Mans means that the driver intends to race that car to the maximum. So every single component of that car has to be designed to withstand that kind of driving. And we also would strongly recommend to every driver of one of our road cars to go on using Mobil 1 and, by this, protecting their investment in the car."
– Herbert Ampferer, Director, Porsche Motorsports
"We like to be with the winners, so we use Mobil 1."
– Domingos Piedade, Managing Director, Mercedes-Benz AMG
Hey Steven Dork, irritates you that Mobil 1 is such a superior product. So you have to lash out at me to make yourself feel better.
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Don
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8/26/2003
12:28:45
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More "copy-and-paste" from the ignorant child.
Sorry that you have to put up with this Steven. Especially since you are a member and paying advertiser. I know you can't really attack him so I will.
Yo, flamer (M1 Luver) ... why is your name M1 luver? Use it when you masturbate looking at pictures of animals or the priests?
Don (4 year Amsoil user - NOT Luver) HA HA
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Marke
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8/26/2003
12:36:53
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The Mobil1 used in Race Cars is not the same formulation you buy at your WalMarts. Nor are any of the Race Sponsored Oils. They are all 60w- 70w- oils specially formulated for Racing. Some racing oils are $70 a liter (your quart).
Also, the Mobil1 oil sold in stores in Europe is a better oil with better additives since over there the oil change intervals are averaging 15 - 18.000 km, or about 10.5 k miles for Americans.
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Deno24
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8/26/2003
13:01:56
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personally i use mobil1 in my 00 QC. but if you change your oil every 3k who gives a crap what you use, they all do the job!
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PeeDee
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8/26/2003
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My Point, and reason for the addendum , to the "Amsoil Sponsor", is obvious to most. I will state again for you; If I were to use Amsoil, which one should I use in my quad....... ; meaning which of the lubricants - by Amsoil - should I use. I notice two 5w - 30w on the website. One seems to be not so synthetic and the other seems to be more, but if i knew all there is to know about synthetics, I wouldn't be asking questions in this forum...... So, my need and desire, to make an informed decision as to which is best for the longevity of my vehicle, prompts such questions - to get it right. It remains a pretty straight forward question and your attitude in response seems - at best - rude, which may taint the process of decision, unfortunately. If you asked me which brand of gasoline to purchase for your truck and I told you a particular one is best, would you not then ask me which octane in that brand is best? Maybe not the best analogy, but I think ya get the point. Your tone causes me to think that you did not -really- read my addendum, and therefore, maybe not the original question either. Maybe you saw two rival names in one sentence and spewed 'crude' rhetoric to the forum. But, then again, I could be wrong.....
PeeDee
And thanks to all for the help. heh! even you... Amsoil Sponsor... no hard feelings????
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8/26/2003
14:30:20
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Sorry PeeDee,
I was not certain if your first post was to "bait and flame" or a legitimate question. As you can see from some of the RUDE AND CRUDE posts on this thread ... I am cautious to even post.
Amsoil offers two 5w-30's for gasoline engines:
1) Amsoil XL7500 5w-30
2) Amsoil SAE 5w-30 (Product Code ATM)
Amsoil XL 7500 was designed for the Quick Lubes and 7500 mile oil change intervals (hence the name XL7500) and is a Group III Motor Oil.
Amsoil SAE 5w-30 (Product Code ATM) is the one I recommend. It is Amsoil's finest 5w-30 True Group IV / Group V Synthetic Motor Oil.
Hope this cleared up any misunderstandings and answered your qestions. In closing, PLEASE use something besides Valvoline ... even if it is not Amsoil. If you choose Amsoil ... Choose # 2, Amsoil Product Code ATM.
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peedee
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8/26/2003
14:49:13
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Thanks Steve, that is exactly the info I was hoping for as a follow-up to the original question. I wasn't sure about the difference before. I will most likely try the Amsoil at the next change. My dealer said no problem to bring my own oil in to them. They don't like Mobil and Valvoline was the only other choice they had at the time, so they use it for now until they can get something else. I didn't like Mobil either. My truck used oil!!!! only about a quarter of a quart in 4000 miles, but HEY!!! never did before and never has since. But the mobil ended up VERY dirty - like burnt- and the valvoline, though better is not great looking either.The foreman, who is pretty upfront about everything, likes Amsoil too. Thanks again, now I just have to wait for the UPS truck............
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HeavyWeight
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8/26/2003
15:11:59
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Amsoil is a great product. If you have something bad to say to the Amsoil posts, go screw yourself! Then, pick yourself up off the ground by the bootstraps and let your balls hang,(if you have a pair)! Too many hill-billy types in the 18-25 range on this site act like little girls etc! Act like a man and or an adult and join civilization!
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8/26/2003
15:18:19
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PeeDee,
I'm going to keep this relatively short and simple, AND honest.
Mobil1 is a very good oil, however in some engines it does not do very well because of it's thinner nature. In those engines a different synthetic would show better wear numbers. While I do think Mobil1 is too thin for some engines, it can be thickend up by adding a qt. of 15w-50 (just for you Mobil1Luver so that you don't have to switch ... *wink*). I think for high performance vehicles, Amsoil has more to offer, and isn't your Dakota a PERFORMANCE TRUCK?
If you want to keep your truck for a long time (150k - 300k miles on your engine), you want to pick the synthetic that shows you the lowest engine wear, and in many cases, Mobil1 is just too thin for certain engines to show their best wear results.
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Benefits of using Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oils:
Immediate start-up protection. You will experience immediate startup protection. Sixty percent of all engine wear occurs at startup. AMSOIL motor oils use high polarity base stocks and special anti-wear agents that form a thin film that clings to engine parts, preventing metal to metal contact. AMSOIL motor oils also lubricate vital engine components by quickly flowing through the engine immediately after startup.
Higher engine RPM's and more power. AMSOIL synthetic motor oil reduces friction more effectively than conventional oils, so engine bearings rotate easier. This saves energy and conserves fuel. When the engine doesn't have to work as hard to move its parts, that power can now be used to drive the vehicle. Many new AMSOIL users report their shift points actually decrease due to the added power their engines experience.
Increased fuel efficiency. Since AMSOIL synthetic motor oils create less friction, they also help reduce fuel consumption, increasing a vehicle's fuel economy significantly. Operating with AMSOIL, the engine doesn't have to work as hard to turn the wheels, so it takes less fuel to run.
Lower tempertures. AMSOIL motor oils can reduce excessive operating tempertures of oil sumps by up to 20 degrees F compared to conventional motor oils. Friction generates heat and since AMSOIL motor oils reduce friction, less heat is generated. AMSOIL motor oils also carry heat away from the engine more efficiently than conventional oils to further enhance the cooling process.
Easier starting in cold weather. Conventional motor oils contain wax impurities that cause the oil to thicken at low tempertures, which slows the flow of oil through the engine at startup and promotes premature wear. They can thicken to the point where the engine won't even turn over and start. AMSOIL is pure and contains no wax. AMSOIL will pour at 60 degrees below zero. Engines start in cold weather as if it were summer. AMSOIL eliminates the need for block heaters. As users of this fantastic product know, in the winter you turn the key and go, no warmup needed.
These are just the immediate benefits from AMSOIL, long term your engine will last much longer, you'll have less time in the shop, and your vehicle will run like new longer. No matter how you look at it, AMSOIL saves you time and money.
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Andy
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8/26/2003
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I have heard good things about Shell Rotella T. I liked the old Mobil1, and I love Royal Purple, and Redline. Amsoil is a pyramid marketing scam, kinda like Amway! Don't fall for the Amsoil B.S.
Andy
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jeremy
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8/26/2003
16:43:40
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I'm not a proponent of any oil, any of the full synthetics will work fine. It seems to me that the only marketing scheme that really works is the one that makes you believe mobil 1 is superior. It's the same as having celebrities endorse a soft drink. Gatorade must be the best, otherwise micheal jordan wouldn't be so good. Now obvioulsy pepsi is the superior soft drink because Britney Spears drinks it. That's the exception though.
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jeremy
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8/26/2003
16:46:05
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one more thing. I also use mobil 1, simply because it is one of the few FULL synthetics that is available at nearly everywhere. Not because it's better then any other oil.
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DakotaEnthusiast
8/26/2003
17:04:57
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Andy,
Shell Rotella is excellent, Mobil Delvac 1 is excellent, Schaeffer's is excellent, The new Mobil1 formula is better than the old but still needs improvement, Redline and Royal Purple --- SORRY, but NOT for a daily driver, and OF COURSE ...
............. AMSOIL IS EXCELLENT !!!
As for MLM's (your so-called pyramid schemes/scams) ... Well, again, there isn't anything wrong with this as most companies are a network of people that take the money from the bottom people who do the work and rolls it back up to the top, each level is getting their portion and usually the guy on top makes the most. This is common in any and every company. If most companies would follow such a program (performance based) you'd be surprised as to how many would really put an effort into really working instead of expecting that paycheck just for showing up.
That's the neat thing about MLM's, as it can offer the ones that work ... an unlimited amount of income based on their performance. Not everyone should be in a program such as this because many cannot focus on selling and are better suited as a production person (clock-in clock-out) and IMHO ... they DO deserve their share because if not for them there would be no product to sell. So, is MLM bad?, I don't think so. Every company is an MLM of sorts.
FOR THE RECORD, Amsoil was started 30 years ago as an MLM because they did not have the advertising budgets to compete with the "big guys". I'm certain that if they were starting the company today ... what with easier access to capital (Venture Capital and the Stock Market) they might do it differently. However, they can't change their stripes now ... thousands of Amsoil Independent Representatives would loose their sole income or their second income ... and who says they want to. I think Amsoil is quite happy with 5% of the market that appreciates a superior product.
P. S. Thanks for asking about the MLM opportunity!!!
Anyone else care to take me on ???
*wink*
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Andys Answers
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8/26/2003
17:27:06
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Why haven't I heard of Amsoil before?
You can't buy amsoil in stores, unless the store owner is an amsoil dealer. It's like Amway soap, sold door to door.
Why do Amsoil threads deteriorate into accustory flame wars?
The amsoil dealers seem to have the need to validate their decision to use it. They take their opinions and everyone else's way too personal.
Why do people feel strongly enough about Amsoil that
they're willing to fight with each other? I don't see this
happening with other brands of oil?
Amsoil isn't just a lubricant, it's a religion.
Someone mentioned that Amsoil was involved in "Multi
Level Marketing" What is this?
A pyramid scheme.
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MikeD
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8/26/2003
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Royal Purple not in a daily driver? Maybe I'm not a scientist w/ a microscope that can break down an oil after every oil change and determine whether or not the oil was suitable or not but I can tell from the change in the conditions of my truck that after I switched from Castrol Synthetic to Royal Purple that the temp of my engine stays alot cooler and runs much smoother than it ever did before.
So in other words your saying I should drop this expensive RP label and go BACK to Castrol Synthetic as my daily driver and go back to higher temperature driving and a less than smooth condition that I was experiencing before?
If Amsoil is 100% synthetic, & Royal Purple & Redline (if not truly 100% synthetic pretty damn close) is still closer to a synthetic than the retail store brands then I don't see why they wouldn't be better in a daily driver than the store brands.
Explain.
~Mike~
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