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PeeDee
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8/26/2003
19:17:33
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One more question for steve. You typed that the prod code is ATM. I don't see that on the site. If I look at prod info it shows ASL. Please help
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Dr. D
Dodge Dakota
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8/26/2003
19:17:51
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I have used every brand of Synthetic Oil you can imagine and I have never found anything that can compete (or beat) AMSOIL.
"Give me AMSOIL or give me DEATH"
Dr. D
AMSOIL user ... DAKOTA abuser!
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8/26/2003
20:00:31
| Amsoil vs Royal Purple
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PeeDee,
You are correct ... Amsoil 5w-30 is ASL
My bad ........... Amsoil 10w-30 is ATM
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To: Andy Answers. You are the flamer, not me.
Re: The amsoil dealers seem to have the need to validate their decision to use it. They take their opinions and everyone else's way too personal.
Answer, NO. I am a professional and have looked at hundreds of UOA's and give my honest opinion. Read my prior posts on this thread, and do a search for other posts that I have made.
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MikeD,
Re: Royal Purple, we are discussing 5w- oils here. Royal Purple's 5w-30 tend to thin out very quick. Go with RP 10w-30, it will have less of a tendancy to thin out.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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Ken
Dodge Dakota
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8/26/2003
22:53:22
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I can attest that Redline resulted in lower oiltemps, even beyond 500 miles
on the oil .. vs. Mobil 1 0W-30.
I've done back to back with Mobil 1 and
Amsoil 0W-30, three times .. each time, Mobil 1 caused an increase of steady
crusing temps, from 215 to 230. Always there when cruising at 70 mph on the
highway, independant of temps outside. Put Amsoil 0W-30 in, and it goes back
down to 215, steady cruising temps.
The 5W-30 synthetic Redline sells is actually about as thin as a 0 weight
oil when cold. Call their tech line and ask about it. They're considering
calling it 0W-30 at this point, but are holding out as they don't feel it's
necessary. When fully warmed up, it is also thicker than a normal 10W-40
oil.
It meets ACEA E2+ specifications.
Mobil 1 0W-30 does not. Nor does Amsoil 0W-30.
Valvoline full synthetic also meets this spec .. and they sell a 5W-40 I've
used in the past.
Redline is really good stuff. At 3000 miles it looks like it just went in-
honey in color.
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8/27/2003
13:17:41
|  Amsoil's Comments Regarding API Certification
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For the record ...
There is a lot of confusion as to whether a customer should be concerned with API Certification.
The whole API Certification is blown way out of proportion, to the point of guys dumping new batches of oil due to worry. I'm sorry but that is just lame.
1) Using an oil thst meets the testing requirements but doesn't have full API political blessing will NOT void the waranty.
2) Using an oil thst meets the testing requirements but doesn't have full API political blessing will not cause your engine to blow.
3) API performance is a MINIMUM requirement level. I certainly wouldn't use an oil that couldn't pass the wimpy performance requirements of API. At least API has has made the testing a little tougher recently, but Redline would have ZERO problems passing these tests.
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I'll say this again for the 100th time.
THE API IS A LOBBY GROUP FOR THE PETROLEUM INDUSTRY!
This is why GM came out with their own standard for the Corvette. This is why I look for European standards as opposed to the API, ... European ACEA standards are much higher than what the minimum API requires.
Now if the API came out with a Tiered rating system, where there is a minimum standard, but then another catagory for better oils, and another catagory for even better oils, etc., etc., etc., ... that would make a little more sense, But come on. How in the heck (I would like to use a stronger word but I must remain professional when posting) can $.69/qt. oil be as good as Mobil1 which is $5/qt., or as good as Redline, or as good as Amsoil? IT CAN NOT !!!
If it were me, I would not lose any sleep over using Amsoil, Mobil1, Redline, or any other top quality oil, API or not, as long as the oil is made for the proper specifications.
BTW, API certified oils are usually only for personal vehicles. Most industrial equipment lubricants do not have API Certification. Guess what, ... industrial equipment is far more expensive than our Dakota Engines. Go Figure !!!!
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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NotOwen
Dodge Dakota
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2/02/2004
09:09:37
| RE: Amsoil vs Valvoline
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Oils is Oils!
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SVT
Dodge Dakota
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2/02/2004
13:05:02
| RE: Amsoil vs Valvoline
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REDLINE! 79,000 miles on a dakota R/T and it looked new coming out at 5,000 miles every time! The oil pays for itself!
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EyeTrip
R/T
2/02/2004
19:10:12
| RE: Amsoil vs Valvoline
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Now you did it.....
Powerdyne 6#, M1, 24# FMS, MP Headers, Transgo shit kit, MSD/BTM ignition, MAP tweak, relocated IAT, MP PCM,
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heh heh
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6/27/2004
11:23:51
| RE: Amsoil vs Valvoline
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Ask yourself this:
Q: WHY does Valvoline sell two major engine oil additives themselves?
A: Because they need a way to retail all those extra additives they are saving up by NOT putting them in their oils?
heh heh, I borrowed that Q&A from someone else
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OBIO3
Dodge Dakota
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6/27/2004
16:51:08
| RE: Amsoil vs Valvoline
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Just one quick question >> If the oil comes out clean or near clean at an oil change, where is the dirt at >> All engines have some blow by and that puts carbin in the crankcase > In my opinion. If oil comes out clean it is not holding the junk in suspention for removal
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DakotaEnthusiast
6/27/2004
21:56:26
| Amsoil vs Valvoline www.american-synthetic-oil.com
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Used Non-Detergent Oils will appear cleaner than Detergent Oils.
Oil Appearance ...
... appearance has little to do with an oils ability to protect. The color is basically partially burnt hydrocarbons and fine particles.
All oils will turn dark (black) given enough time. I've found thinner oils will turn dark quicker than thicker oils. Color isn't the be-all-end-all sign that an oil should be changed.
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QUESTION --- "Shouldn't oil be changed when it is dirty?
RESPONSE --- Do you mean "dirty", "dark", or ... "depleted of it's additives package" and therefore rendering the oil uncapable of performing the job it was formulated to do.
Most oils have detergents and dispersants as part of their additives package. The darkening results from suspended particulates too fine to be trapped by the filter. This is good because it's visual evidence showing that the detergent/dispersant package is doing its job. If you were to use a non-detergent oil --- your oil would be almost as clean coming out as going in --- in a well maintained and trouble-free engine. HOWEVER, the visual look of "darkened" oil to the human eye is not always from suspended particles ( which is more common in diesels ) - it is usually from some soluble cleaning of left-over residuals as well as chemical changes to the oils additives package itself which render it less translucent, but don't immediately make the oil spent.
All oils will turn dark (black) given enough time. Thinner oils will turn black quicker than thicker ones.
Bottom Line --- DARK OIL IS NOT BAD OIL and THE COLOR IS NOT AN INDICATOR OF OIL CHANGE INTERVALS. __________________________________________________
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