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1Flamed92Dak
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7/22/2003
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Lets see Dodge builds about 700,000 Dakotas and Durangos a year and roughly 10% have problems so why are you guys snivelling. Trucks and Cars are machines they are prone to break and malfunction its only as good as the person that designed it and the people that put it together.Granted I know that when something has a problem you get pissed off but some of you people just go a little to far. I have owned my Dakota for 12 years and it has had some problems along the way but I just fix it and move on. I dont blame DODGE or Moog or whomever supplies parts forDaimlerChrysler.I know you want to see real quality I think DC has come a long way in just a few short years and they keep moving forward and will continue to move foward.Well enough of this If you want to flame me go for it because its your ignorance not mine. Just my 2cents worth
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poor man has
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7/22/2003
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And then there are those that use and abuse things and still expect them to work like NEW !!!!!!!
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ScojoDak
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7/22/2003
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All I know is that when I pay upwards of $22,000 for a vehicle, I want it to go to 100,000 without major problems. You might have disposible income to replace rotors and other bugs, but I don't have a money tree in the back yard. However, I'm happy with my 99 c/c and haven't had any problems.
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JasonB
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7/22/2003
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ScojoDak...Don't expect sympathy for your circumstances. We all want better quality. We all want things to last longer. But just because you want something does not mean anyone owes it to you. DaimlerChrysler does not build perfection. NO MANUFACTURER builds perfection. Get out of your utopia world and live with the real people who have come to expect real problems and have learned to deal with it instead of expecting someone else to bear the burden of imperfection for you.
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ScojoDak
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7/22/2003
15:16:42
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Jason, apparently YOU have a money tree. I agree that the other two automakers have the same problem along with some european automakers. And I'd feel the same way if I had a truck or car from them too. BTW, read the LAST line of my previous post!
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Uncle Sam
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7/22/2003
15:17:37
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Interesting...I've never heard ANYONE complain about Honda's breaking down. You pay for what you get. We love the Dodge Dakota and we know that we are not buying a Honda. Having said that, I expect that the vehicle will not have any MAJOR breakdowns (ie engine, transmission, drivetrain). I believe that's what we all expect when we lay down 25,000.
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JasonB
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7/22/2003
15:39:41
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I have no money tree, I have a budget. I would never show the lack of intelligence required to purchase a vehicle I can not afford to repair and maintain. National averages suggest most vehicle owner's will spend $4000 in a 5 yr period on maintenance and repairs for all vehicle makes as an average. Get used to it. Vehicles may have a sticker price of $22,000 or whatever price you say should make it a perfect car, but they cost you lots more than that.
Expect what you want to, but you WILL get the averages, just like everybody else.
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Money Tree
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7/22/2003
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Lets see, My 99 Dakota bought new, at 15 months converter went bad, at 26 months ball joints started to rattle, at 29 months speed sensor went bad, at 32 months rear axle started to groan when hot( changed lube and added mopar additive ) lets hope it lasts. So this is average ? This is my fourth vehicle I have purchased new and have not had the snivelling probs like this one.
By the way do you have any idea how much collision repair parts are ? 3 weeks ago I get passed on interstate when vehicle pulls back into my lane his unsecured furniture falls out of his truck, meets my front bumper. Bumper, bumper brackets, valance, both turn signals, 1 head light, and air conditioner condenser, $ 2200
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gotanRT
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7/22/2003
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money tree dont expect your truck to last if you dont maintain it well...you cant just put gas in it and expect it to make it 300K miles...all the things you listed besides the speed sensor (that probly cost you $15 to fix) could have been prevented with preventive maintainence...
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Money Tree
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7/23/2003
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I see, so you must be saying the rear axle groan at 32,000 mi is normal unless you maintain it. Do you know what the factory recomended change interval is ? Maintainence shedule A " normal driving conditions" never shows changing, I know that is not realistic but at 32,000. Please explain how the cat going bad could pe prevented.
gotanRT you are what 17, 18 years old you speak from no experience
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JasonB
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7/23/2003
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At 32,000 miles, the converter costs you $0, federal emmisions warranty. Collision repair does not count either, it is ALWAYS preventable. Oh, yeah, the last time I remember, average does not mean equal. So, just so you know, some of you may pay less and some of you may pay more. Reguardless of how much you pay, you will still whine the same amount, so I am actually wasting my time trying to help you understand averages.
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JasonB
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7/23/2003
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And one more thing...most drivers do NOT do schedule A driving unless you are on vacation or something traveling long distances. Use schedule B like you should. Schedule A should probably not even represented in the owners manual.
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Einstien
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7/23/2003
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im thinkin jason is a graduate from m.i.t. he has to be because he has a new theory on the equal=average mathematical formula. anyway, his daddy pays for everything more than likely. collision repair preventable? oh ya, jason invented a force field that prevents other cars form hitting his. some people pay less and others pay more? there another scientific breakthrough. hey jason (mr rocket scientist), perhaps you can find a way for my v6 to spew out fire and generate 6000 horsepower, all while burning water. throw a brother a bone bro.
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JasonB
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7/23/2003
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I never was smart enough to claim I knew that much about someone from a few lines on a computer. 20+ years of paying my own bills has taught me not to expect anything cheap, let alone free. Once you get a better grasp on real life, you will learn also to be prepared.
I am sorry, but I can no longer offer explanations of logic. If you don't get it, then you won't get it. Averages are just that, averages. Nowhere in the definition of average is there the word equal.
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Rob454
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7/23/2003
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Well Im not snivelling but I can tell you that I will never buy a dodge or chrysler product again. the quality is horrible. I had a 89 GMC Sierra. It went 160 000 miles BEFORE it needed anything. at that point I started to replace the radiator alternator and the tranny needed to be rebuilt. the truck was used for anything from the average construction work day ( 80-200 miles) depending on where I had to go, to going to the river or Vegas or playing in the desert. Very reliable. My wifes son has it now and it has 320 000 miles on the original engine and it has NEVER been apart. In fact all he needed were brakes and to replace a alternator which was a lifetime warranty piece.
My dakota on the other hand cost me 2x what the GMC did ( the GMC was 13K and the dodge was 24 700)
in the first 3 weeks it had to go in for the ac that switched to defrost by itself. finally fixed
1 month later the power steering pump was replaced.
One rim started to peel the clear coat and paint off finally fixed
Lighter broke finally fixed.
FRONT AXLE broke. It was a recall and it was fixed, but it was a huge inconvenience. took 3 weeks to fix it. thank god I had a different work truck otherwise I would of been screwed.
Steering rack was replaced at that point also.
Cup holder broke Bought a piece myself and changed it.
Rear axle snapped a backing plate. Dealer couldnt tell me if the axle was bent so i went and purchased a complete new rear axle. This one I ended up paying for because I was about 2 000 miles out of warranty.
Now there is a clunk in the front end when i turn. Cant figure out what it is either. nothing is loose.
Anyway my wifes GMC Jimmy has 86 000 miles on it. in all the time we owned it ( new since 94 its a 95 model) its had nothing but normal maintenance. Some things wore out shocks brakes.
As far as unexpected break down its had none. the closest I could come to that was the alternator wouldnt charge at idle, but immediately started to charge as soon as you stepped on the gas. I went and replaced it. Otherwise its been a great truck.
Now you may have a unlimited supply of $$, but personally I dont feel its right to purchase a new truck and withing the first 3 years to basically spend more money on it than all your other cars added together in7-8 years of ownership. And what is wrong in expecting a trouble free vehicle within the first 100 000 miles? I never thought cars were perfect products, but they should last a while before needing unexpected repairs.
Now the dakotas I have may run for 150 000 miles with no problems anymore. i dont know that but I can tell you that I wont sit there and find out.
Rob
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Rob454
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7/23/2003
11:13:46
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And I wont even get into the crappy brakes and the crappy gas mileage it gets. or the cheezy paint that chips when I look at it or the thin sheet metal that dents when the wind blows.
I was stupid for not researching the truck more.If I would of done that I would be back to driving a GMC or a FORD.
Rob
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JasonB
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7/23/2003
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Who here has an unlimited supply of money? Who here has a money tree that someone keeps talking about?
I, like most everyone here, have owned my share of vehicles. I have also had my share of failures and repairs. Obviously, UNLIKE a few here, I do not live in utopia. I have come to expect mechanical failures in most things we manufacture. Otherwise, I would not feel like I need a warranty. Even though many of the vehicles I have had in the past were "money pits". I did not stand up and proclaim that I'll never buy another friggin Ford simply because I was unfortunate enough to get one that had what seemed like more than an average number of problems. SH!T HAPPENS. That is ridiculous to think that way. You will not swap to a manufacturer that has not built a bad one. Why? Because you can't find one.
Be an adult. Think like an adult. Children whine and belly ache because they do not know better. You, however, have no excuse.
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NoDak
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7/23/2003
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I've had great one's and lemons from all of the manufacturers. Quit yer bellyachin' and either fix the damned thing or get rid of it and try your luck with another one. It's all a crap shoot anyway. Pissing and moaning about it in here just makes you look like a whining cry baby.
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ksboy27
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7/23/2003
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I agree with NODak. Switching manufacturer because of a previous individual expererience is your choise, but it doesn't indicate an entire brand with issues. I had a Ford Ranger that was flawless before my Dak which has given me a few small problems. You won't catch me going back to Ford though. I replace or fix what is necessary and take pride in the price, performance, reliability, and damn good looks of a product I intend to run the wheels off of.
At 78k I've replaced the rotors, battery, and front left bearing. I consider myself lucky compared to friends with other brands.
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SIKmusicfreak
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7/23/2003
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All I know is that my bro had a 00 4.7 CC and it went 3 years and 105k miles without a single problem. I bought a used 99 5.2 4x4 that has been through 3 engines, a steering column, paint, ball joints, needed a tranny rebuild, and 2 new transfer cases, all in 43,200 miles. My A/C is also messed up now.
Anyway, that quality is horrible, but, despite my problems, I seriously love my truck, there really isnt anything I would rather buy than a dakota, they are a great, well-rounded truck, and I enjoy driving mine, and I will continue to drive it and more than likely buy another.
My 2 cents
Jason
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gotanRT
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7/23/2003
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money tree maybe the reason your cat went out is because you were running rich because u had a bad O2 sensor that is due to be changed around every 45K-50K miles routine, if you checked for codes then you would know ahead of time that one was bad and your cat would have been saved...i am 18 and ive been working on cars with my grandpa since if waz 12, mostly mopars and chevys...i too ruined a cat on my 3.9 because i didnt do the maintanence...believe it or not, i do know something about motors...
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Money Tree
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7/23/2003
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gotanRT, You have proved your ignorance. O2 sensors are not routine 45-50K maintanence items, besides my cat was shot at 15K it took three dealers a year and a half to figure it out, or at least admit it. It was replaced at 32K. For one to have a code to check the computor has to set a code. MIL lamp on code in memory!
Working on cars since 12 with gramps, LOL you were still in diapers.
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gotanRT
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7/23/2003
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money tree most older model factory o2 sensors need to be replaced not any farther past 60-70K miles and it would be a good idea to replace them or at least check them earlier than that, around 40-50K and it's not uncommon for them to fail earlier than that, i was still in diapers in 6th grade?...apparently you know more about me than i do...why don't you tell me how many times i've slept with your mother? i can't remember cause she knocked me out numerous times with her tigolebitties...
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gg
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7/24/2003
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my daks been very good,in 3 yrs, 50.000 miles,bracket racing my dak ,i think i only missed 10 races in 3 yrs. thats 52 weekends times3 - 10 races=146 nites of racing,plus most months we race at least 1 saturday,needless to sayILOVEMYDAK,mopar or no car,i rather push my dak then drive a chevy!!!!
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Money Tree
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7/24/2003
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gotanRT, Come on now is that the best you can come up with ? How you like doin a 75 year old lady ? I guess you have to take what you can get!
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sean connery
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7/25/2003
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I propose a conundrum to ya, a riddle if you will. What's the difference between a mallard with a cold, and you? One's a sick duck and i can't remember the rest but your mother's a whore.
OH HO HO HO TREBEK!
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LOL
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7/25/2003
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I love the premise of this whole thread. Since only 70,000 vehicles that Dodge builds are fukt up, nobody has the RIGHT to biatch. I love it!!! I guess unless you're one of the suckers who gets a fukt up vehicle and with those numbers the odds are you just might.
Look at it this way. There is no excuse for anyone to recieve a vehicle that is less than perfectly designed and perfectly built. No excuse whatsoever. The only reason any Dakotas are ever built to be shlt is 1) less than perfect engineering (and we all know that's th case ie brakes, ball joints, steering racks, etc) and 2) a bunch of fat lazy over paid unionized slobs who build the vehicles and don'e give a rats azz if they fukc up.
I've seen it with my own eyes. The fat stupid UAW slobs that build the Dakotas aren't worth the bullets it would take to get rid of them and hire a skilled workforce.
Guess what people? Those morons are the main reason that companies move their operations to Mexico; no union to deal with. Some hourly paid slug isn't doing there job, get rid of it and get another one because there is a line up a mile long of people who would kill to get the chance to do a good job for a good wage.
Unionized workers are killing the domestic American car assembly plants.
A failure rate as high as 10% is unacceptable. Japanese rates typically run at 0.001%, for JDM cars. The cars assembled in the US are as shltty as any other cars built here.
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gotanRT
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7/25/2003
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You see the problem is that DC hires factory workers that wear diapers and sleep with old ladies in their spare time and you just cant expect results from people like that...Now maybe if they hired some skilled workers, like people who play chicken with sofas on the interstate, then maybe we would see an increase in quality...but who wants statistics? let's just go to a dakota messege forum and tell a bunch of people that dont care how much of a POS i think my truck is, but not do anything about it!
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jeremy
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7/25/2003
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unions are ruining everything. Look at the longshore men in cali, and the airlines are going out of business because their work force won't comprimise.
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Money Tree
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7/25/2003
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gotanRt, You are a BS artist ! Do you happen to sell used cars ? if not you are missing your calling. I love to see when someone post's a BS comment, then when questioned about thier facts dances and dodges around the point even to the extent of completly changing the subject. That is standing up for yourself and your point.
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JasonB
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7/25/2003
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"Look at it this way. There is no excuse for anyone to recieve a vehicle that is less than perfectly designed and perfectly built. No excuse whatsoever. The only reason any Dakotas are ever built to be shlt is 1) less than perfect engineering (and we all know that's th case ie brakes, ball joints, steering racks, etc) and 2) a bunch of fat lazy over paid unionized slobs who build the vehicles and don'e give a rats azz if they fukc up" (as copied from above)
I don't make enough money to be able to afford a perfect vehicle and my guess is that most of the rest of you do not either. Besides, I would not know where to go to buy one. Does anyone know where I can get a perfect vehicle?
Otherwise I will settle for my stylish and affordable Dakota, and pay for the repairs as they arise.
If there is "no excuse", then why are there brands that are more expensive than others? Are they not known to use better quality materials, with better engineering and better manufacturing processes? If you want a perfectly designed and built vehicle, I challenge you to find one. It's not happening Ace.
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