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Aggieman
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I just bought a 2003 qc 4.7 V8. I have about 1300 miles on it and i want to do an oil change. Does DC put an additive in the oil from the factory which I should keep in there until 3000 miles or shoud I go ahead and change my oil now to remove any break in contaminents. Every time I ask a dealer I get a differnt answer.
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HotRodSRJ
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7/10/2003
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Aggieman, a Collegestation man eh? I used to teach a Power Engineering course to seniors there as a visiting teacher. Great place...and that's coming from a Purdue Grad!
Anywho...I am not aware of any additive that DC puts in. I would not know what it is for. New Corvettes come with Mobile One right off the line. So much for that don't run synthetics to break your engine in?
I would just change it. Follow the recommendation viscosity etc. I switched to all synthetics right at 1000 miles. I have over 32K on my 2001 now and it runs like a scalded dog! Great gas milage and I go 12k between oil changes with no oil usage at all.
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JasonB
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Jump into whatever oil change interval you choose. DC does not use a "break in" oil, nor are there any specific recommendations for a 1ST oil and filter change other than routine interval.
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Aggieman
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7/10/2003
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Thanks for the info.
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Dr. D
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7/10/2003
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I would switch over to the Amsoil brand of Synthetic Oil just as soon as I could there AggieMan.
I have been using it for years and I am very impressed with the results from doing so.
Amsoil will save you money.
Dr. D
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DakCC mc
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7/10/2003
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Save you money right up until you have to replace all the gaskets in the truck....Because Amsoil just ate them all for lunch.
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Mr Hanky
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7/10/2003
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I use Wal Mart full synthetic in my 01 CC. Seems to be fine. I changed the oil at 500 miles even though I was told it was not necessary.
BTW, the factory filter is put on by some hulk with a 4 foot J-bar and our filters are not in the easiest place to get at. Be prepared for a struggle.
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db528
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7/11/2003
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QUESTION, I have a 2000 cc 4.7 4x4 sport with 39000 on it. I've been using castrol 10w40 in the summer and 10w30 in the winter but in the owners manual it suggests 5w30 year round, does it make sense to switch now? Also i have seen alot of mobil 1 users on this site, is mobil 1 really any different? If so should i switch over with 39000 on the truck?
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JasonB
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db528...I would never use 10w-40 in that or any other newer engine. 5w-30 or 10w-30 I would think would be best. Switching will NOT harm a thing.
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01Motorsport
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7/11/2003
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10W-40 is a heck of a thick oil. The first number is the cold rating, the second warm. The overhead cams in the 4.7 can really use that thin 5 weight on start up. Besides, 5W-30 will deliver the best gas mileage, cold or hot. Some of the new Japanese cars use 5W-20 now, no less.
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db528
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Thanks alot im thinking i'll switch over to synthetic, i guess maybe mobil 1, that seems to be pretty popular on this site.
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Dakaty
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7/11/2003
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Mr. Hanky
I have not seen Walmart full synthetic oil. Do you know who actually manufactures it? How much does it cost?
I've been told that Walmart will now permanently stock the Mobile 1 5 quart jugs (presently priced at $18.88).
14.63 @ 91.8
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xplikt
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7/12/2003
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Right now Target is cheapest with M1 -- @ 3.36 a qt. I believe.
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150BM fan | removed clutch | HD Radiator
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Larry L
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Walmarts "Full Synthetic" is recycled motor oil made by Saftey-Kleen that has gone thru the ISO/SYN process that Chevron engineered years ago. The process will clean the oil of ALL contaminates and impurities. The finished product is a Group III oil better known as dino synthetic.All things considered, for the price, it turns in some darn good numbers on used oil analysis.
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Dak95
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7/14/2003
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Why would y'all spend upteen thousand dollars on your trucks then turn around and try to save a buck on oil? Wal-Mart oil? You gotta be kidding me!
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BLUE SXT
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7/17/2003
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I here to much about amsoil.
I use Schaeffer syn/blend and it runs great. Less rpms and better idle.
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JasonB
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7/18/2003
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This debate will never be settled as long as opinions drive the thread. I love the First Amendment.
I think we should agree to disagree and encourage everyone to post opinions as they choose to do so and facts as they come around.
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Dr. D
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7/19/2003
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Nothing but AMSOIL goes into my truck !
To each his own !!
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01Motorsport
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7/19/2003
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Three Dodge trucks w/200K mi./ea., 54K on latest: all PENNZOIL "dino".
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7/20/2003
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Aggieman,
Your question/comment: "DC puts an additive in the oil from the factory which I should keep in there until 3000 miles or shoud I go ahead and change my oil now to remove any break in contaminents. Every time I ask a dealer I get a differnt answer."
Regarding the use of AMSOIL synthetic motor oils (or any other brand of 100% TRUE SYNTHETIC) ... in brand new or rebuilt engines, it is recommended to operate the engine up to its first normal drain interval with factory fill ... be it synthetic or a petroleum motor oil. There are a couple primary reasons for this recommendation.
1. New engines or engine components generate high wear metals to begin with and generally contain debris from machining and assembly. It is more beneficial to allow these wear metals to collect in an inexpensive motor oil than to circulate throughout the crankcase for extended periods in a synthetic motor oil. By operating the vehicle to its first drain interval with a petroleum oil, these wear metals and manufacturing debris collect in the oil and are then flushed out of the crankcase when drained. This allows for a much cleaner operating environment for the synthetic lubricant.
2. Within the first miles of operation any defects in the assembly or workmanship of the engine components may be corrected before installing the more expensive synthetic motor oil. Occasionally, rebuilt engines may have re-machined components or materials which can sometimes be mismatched. These problems will develop in a fairly short period of time. If excessive oil consumption or any other problem is noted, this should be corrected prior to changing to AMSOIL synthetic Oil.
For racing applications a synthetic motor oil can be installed immediately . These engines are frequently disassembled and rebuilt under more exacting conditions and require the improved wear protection of a synthetic motor oil. Extended drains are rare due to contaminants such as fuel dilution and dirt, and oil analysis is recommended to determine the serviceability of the lubricant.
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DakCC mc,
Synthetic lubricants do have an inherent detergency that cleans and removes conventional motor oil deposits left over in an engine. However, motor oils are designed to help swell seals slightly to prevent leakage. The ONLY time you would observe seal leakage is if the seals are already damaged or showing signs of leakage around them. As long as the vehicle has been well maintained, and in good mechanical condition, it can be switched to a synthetic lubricant at any mileage.
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BLUE SXT,
Your comment, "I hear to much about amsoil. I use Schaeffer syn/blend and it runs great. Less rpms and better idle".
1) You don't hear the mention of Amsoil any more than you hear the mention of Mobil1, and Amsoil IS a better oil.
2) Schaeffer's is a FANTASTIC choice ... compares with Amsoil ... but yours is more expensive and does not offer Preferred Customer discounts of 20% which Amsoil does.
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Why Synthetic Oils? Why Amsoil?
Most synthetics have similarly good typical specs, but the performance from better additives, more shear stable VI, higher TBN, etc, can not be easily demonstrated with a test or a chart. These attributes of AMSOIL show up by controlling acids in the oil, eliminating corrosion in the engine, maintaining viscosity throughout the drain interval helping improve performance in the areas of fuel economy and cold weather starting, keeping contaminants in suspension until they get to the oil filter for removal or the oil is drained, and generally keeping the engine cleaner and deposit free. These benefits are not easily demonstrated with a test or a chart. Amsoil produces a SUPERIOR Synthetic Motor Oil by using only the best base oils and additives.
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Amsoil Synthetic Oils Increase Performance: a subjective benefit, but it can be actually measured in numerous ways:
Better cold weather starting due to lower pour points (not applicable).
Cooler running at high temperatures and under severe conditions. This requires measurement of operating temperatures when using petroleum lubricants and then synthetic lubricants in the same equipment under identical conditions. A controlled test is needed to demonstrate this, and it has been proven by us and others when testing synthetics in general. Most users are able to actually see the difference in their engine and transmission operating temperatures when running under similar conditions.
Less component wear, as AMSOIL and others have demonstrated that synthetics offer as compared to petroleum. Usually this is only apparent to the end user when comparing oil analysis reports and comparing the wear metals in parts per million per mile when using synthetics vs. petroleum in the same vehicle. Certainly after many miles of use there would be a visual difference in wear in a controlled comparison of two similar engines, transmissions, or differentials.
More horsepower as demonstrated on dynameter tests comparing AMSOIL products with petroleum oils and other synthetics.
Reduced oil consumption as experienced by nearly everyone using synthetics due to lower volatility.
Reduced emissions, also due to lower volatility, but not generally noticeable by the typical consumer. And there are others. Most of these performance benefits require close scrutiny by a consumer, or a controlled test to demonstrate quantitatively.
Fuel economy can also be very difficult for the consumer to accurately gauge. Once again, it has been proven by AMSOIL, through use of industry accepted fuel economy tests, field demonstrations and as witnessed by most of our customers. In an extremely elaborate and expensive test run by an independent laboratory, which we have documented in a brochure, we showed an 8.2% fuel economy increase in Class 8 over the road trucks.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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teddy
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7/20/2003
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Thank you for the info Steven. I have been reading some of the posts here about foaming (Dakota) and sludging (Durango). I think the problem is mostly caused by short trips in our trucks which are deadly and should be cause for everyone to switch to a synthetic oil which holds up better in hot climates, cold climates, and the stress of short trips, start and go driving, and extreme driving.
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xplikt
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7/21/2003
01:27:42
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Ahhhh, another Amsoil novel!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Makes you not even want to read it. I think shorter would be more effective. ???
-Mike
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2002 2WD RC SLT 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
MBRP Single in/out | straight piped 3rd cat | turndown tip
Full Hotchkis and RAS
Shaved emblems and antennae
150BM fan | removed clutch | HD Radiator
R/T wheels on 275/40/17 Dunlop 9000s
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7/21/2003
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xplikt,
Sorry. I do try to keep it short usually, but in
this case there were three different people that
needed to have their questions addressed.
Plus, anyone can give a short reply ... I try to
offer information ... and more than a simple "yes" or "no".
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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xplikt
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7/21/2003
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I saw that part and I actually did read those. It's when ya post those huge things about Amsoil. That's nuts. I was just wondering if shorter would be more effective, then follow up with more information to a person individually. ?? Just wonderin'.
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2002 2WD RC SLT 4.7L 5spd 3.92 LSD
MBRP Single in/out | straight piped 3rd cat | turndown tip
Full Hotchkis and RAS
Shaved emblems and antennae
150BM fan | removed clutch | HD Radiator
R/T wheels on 275/40/17 Dunlop 9000s
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Gilberttribe
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7/22/2003
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I have 12K on my 1 year old 2002 QC 4x4 4.7L. I have had three oil changes using Mobile 1 5w30 synthetic since new and an oil analysis at every oil change. I would be grateful to anyone who would like to compare/share analysis results. I would love to have someone actually provide some useful data as opposed to opinions. Obviously this isn't a scientific, controlled study, but it is actual data. I'll scan the report and email it if necessary. I used Oil Analyzers (preferred by Amsoil) so they are certainly not biased to Mobile 1.
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7/22/2003
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Gilberttribe,
With all respect, (great to see you using UOA's) ... a UOA (Used Oil Analysis) is a trend analysis "per vehicle" and reports will be different "per vehicle". You can not compare across brands or between vehicles. UOA's are not used to determine "oil quality"
Oil analysis can detect:
Fuel dilution of lubrication oil
Dirt contamination in the oil
Antifreeze in the oil
Excessive bearing wear
Misapplication of lubricants
Some wear is normal, but abnormal levels of a particular material can give an early warning of impending problems and possibly prevent a major breakdown.
Early detection can:
Reduce repair bills
Reduce catastrophic failures
Increase machinery life
Reduce non-scheduled downtime
Early detection with oil analysis can allow for corrective action such as repairing an air intake leak before major damage occurs. Probably one of the major advantages of an oil analysis program is being able to anticipate problems and schedule repair work to avoid downtime during a critical time of use.
Oil analysis involves sampling and analyzing oil for various properties and materials to monitor wear and contamination in an engine, transmission or hydraulic system. Sampling and analyzing on a regular basis establishes a baseline of normal wear and can help indicate when abnormal wear or contamination is occurring.
Oil analysis works like this. Oil that has been inside any moving mechanical apparatus for a period of time reflects the exact condition of that assembly. Oil is in contact with engine or mechanical components as wear metallic trace particles enter the oil. These particles are so small they remain in suspension. Many products of the combustion process also will become trapped in the circulating oil. The oil becomes a working history of the machine.
Particles caused by normal wear and operation will mix with the oil. Any externally caused contamination also enters the oil. By identifying and measuring these impurities, you get an indication of the rate of wear and of any excessive contamination. An oil analysis also will suggest methods to reduce accelerated wear and contamination.
The typical oil analysis tests for the presence of a number of different materials to determine sources of wear, find dirt and other contamination, and even check for the use of appropriate lubricants.
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Without any disrespect, your 2002 QC 4x4 4.7L Dakota should be tested against other 2002 QC 4x4 4.7L's with similar mileage, ... "only" for comparison. With only 12k miles on the odometer the UOA probably tested a little high in some areas due to the fact the engine was still being broken in.
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In conclusion, UOA's are not beneficial in determining "which brand of oil is best" ... only helpful for your own personal vehicle. Early detection with oil analysis can allow for corrective action.
Yes, UOA's are very important for extended drains (up to between 25k - 35k with Amsoil) simply to determine if the oil is suitable for continued use (that the base oils and additives are up to specifications).
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Note: Amsoil Recommends that with the use of Amsoil Synthetic Oil a vehicle owner can extend thier drain interval up to 2 - 3 times longer than recommended by the manufacturer. Beyound that UAO's are recommended to determine if the oil is suitable for continued use.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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Gilberttribe
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7/23/2003
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I'm aware of what an oil analysis provides, and this is the response I expected. A lot of talk that I can read off a sales brochure and no real-world data. This is exactly what I found on the Amsoil website as well. Sure a motorcycle with 100,000 miles, a semi with 1,000,000 miles, a four ball laboratory test number, racing team win, etc. are all interesting, but it doesn't demonstrate how Amsoil will benefit my pickup.
Since no one does oil analysis or cares to share it, I'll eventually switch to Amsoil and compare the Mobile 1 to Amsoil over time. I realize this isn't scientific and changing oils will initially skew the results, but this will give me more data than is provided here or on the Amsoil website.
I'm aware of the state of my truck as well as the controls required for a scientific test.
I'm an Amsoil preferred customer, so I'm not bashing Amsoil, I just want some real-world data that shows Amsoil is worth the additional expense and the fact that it (top of the line oil) is not SAE certified -- I've read the literature regarding the SAE certification and the extended drain, and still have seen no real-world data.
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7/23/2003
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Gilberttribe,
Real World Data ...
Different Engines perform "for better or worse"
on different brands of oils. I can provide oil analysis on many different automobiles ... many different types of oils ... but they are meaningless except to that particular owner.
For the record, the information that I posted above was not from the Amsoil website, any brochure, etc.
If you can give me specifics as to the information you desire, I will check my files and try to accommodate.
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Example:
Canadian customer bought 1997 Honda Civic with 57,000 Km's and shortly afterwards switched it over to AMSOIL Series 2000 0w-30. Most of his mileage is highway, lives in Canada, so the winters are harder on lubricants. Anyway, in November he did an oil change .. the car had 168,000 Km's. The filter was changed at 178,000 Km's and again at 188,000 Km's. This April he wondered about the condidion of the oil and the claims made by AMSOIL so decided to pull the oil out and send it out for analysis, ... on the clock were 196,000 Km's making a total of 28,000 Km's (17,400 miles), same oil with two oil changes. Here are the results:
Silicon 15
Potassium 0.0
Sodium 1.0
Fuel % <2.0
Glycol % <.02
Soot -
Sulfation 237
Nitration 97
Boron 10.
Barium 0.0
Calcium 3204
Magnesuim 385
Molybdenum .2
Sodium 1.0
Phosphorus 1152
Sulfer 3813
Zinc 1784
Visc@100 degC 13.0
Iron 19 150
Nickel 0.0 5
Chromium 1.5 20
Copper 3.4 155
Aluminum 7.0 40
Tin .6 10
Lead 6.3 50
Silver 0.0 2
With 17,400 miles on that oil, through a very cold winter, that report is excellent! There are many of us here who would kill for such extremely low wear numbers! Silicon of 15ppm on such a long interval is excellent too!
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7/25/2003
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Are you saying 17.4k miles with no oil change?
How the heck does someone do that without damaging the engine?
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