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rt13
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7/05/2003
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hey, i got some questions for you. but first the background... im a dyno oil user still, castrol gtx. i dont buy all the hype of the "racing oils" such as mobile1 or redline, or royal purple. ive actually tried mobile1, and while i would like to say i saw no performance increase at all, i cant. i saw a *very* lil difference, not enough to justify the local prices.
anyways, me and a couple of gearhead buddies got into last night (they all own chevy's or fords). two use mobile1, one uses redline, the other is paying a pretty penny for royal purple (way above retail, highway robbery by a local 'trusted' performance shop. all of them drain their oil around 6k miles, using regular filters.
now i have a good friend who is a amsoil dealer. he's had amsoil in his truck for over 10k miles. he has all the fluids, and while not pushing me to use it, suggests often i should give it a try.
anyways, the arguement was over the drain intervals and the makers of amsoil, i told them about my buddy running amsoil, they argued that the oil is really only good for 6k, the length to which it is tested at. they say its 'advertized' up to 24k miles (or whatever) but is only safe to run for 6k or so. i really dont buy into their arguement, but there is some validity to the statement. is the oil really good for 24k, or only 6k? also, the one running redline works at a local jiffy lube, so he thinks he has some 'inside info', lol. he said amsoil is really made by mobile one and that the makers are the same. this isnt true, right? one last question about the filters, are they good for 12k?
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rt13
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7/05/2003
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p.s.
i just got a paycheck yesterday, and im about to spend 90 bucks on your products. the oil, filters and read end lubricant. doh, i said rear end lube...
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Larry L
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7/06/2003
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Well, I'm not the Amzoil sponsor but oil is what I do- no I don't sell it. In regards to M1, it is the weakest PAO synthetic on the market and isn't worth what they charge for it. Can they make it better- sure. But they can't stay within the API guidelines and make it better. Why folks want to pay more and in some cases, get less- I really haven't figured that out yet. If you want to put a GOOD synthetic in your engine, Amzoil is as good as it gets.Just remember that most of it is not API certified.Folks running Redline, Royal Purple, etc, figure if it costs more, it has to be better-wrong. If you have a REAL race engine, Redline is great with their formulation for boundary lubrication which is where race engines run. But rarely,if ever, will your street engine see this environment. Are Redline and Royal purple bad- nope, but for the cost and the normal street use, there are better products available.
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Oil Slick
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7/06/2003
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As long as Mobile 1 is factory fill for Vipers, Corvettes and Porsches I will continue to use it. Mobile 1 may provide the oil to the manufactures for free but I do not belive that the automakers especially Porsche would risk their reputations.
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7/06/2003
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rt13,
I will answer your questions but not in the same order as presented.
1) Amsoil is not, and has never been, manufactured by Mobil Corporation.
2) Length of Service:
First, we all know 3k oil changes are overkill, but to make a "blanket statement" that Amsoil can go 25k miles is also wrong. Severe Driving - City Driving - Stop and Go Driving --- Extreme Heat - Extreme Cold - Engine Condition - all affect the life expectancy of an oil.
Amsoil Clearly States --- that you can extend your oil change interval "up to 2-3 times the manufacturers recommendation" using Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oil. The 25k extended drain is under "ideal conditions" (25k or one year whichever comes first - changing the filter at 12.5k miles or 6 months whichever comes first) - after establishing your vehicles ability to do so performing Used Oil Analysis.
However, for the record - I have witnessed some customers run the same batch of Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oil for two full years (15k-21k miles) on several occasions, and it tested "suitable for continued use". This was done under primarily highway driving conditions with a mechanically sound engine. I would recommend testing the oil (Used Oil Analysis, or UOA) at the 1 year point if you are going to do this.
Amsoil, with 30 years of laboratory testing, and millions of highway miles of testing ... have determined that the 25,000 mile and/or 1 year (whichever comes first) extended drain can be accomplished --- under normal driving conditions --- and in a mechanically sound engine. *** Redline recently confirmed that Synthetic Oils can go 25k miles, but does not recommend it with their oils ***
*** Note: On the back of the Amsoil bottle, and in their literature, Amsoil states that you can extend your oil change interval up to 2-3 times the manufacturers recommendation. If you are going to be driving 25,000 miles and/or 1 year (whichever comes first) between oil changes (changing the filter at 6 months or 12,500 miles), you should perform a UOA to determine if your engine (along with your driving conditions) are suitable for extended drain. Otherwise, you can certainly extend your drains 2-3 times longer than stated in your owners manual.
3) Filters? I would change the filter when changing the oil using the above information as your guide.
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Repeat --- Amsoil Clearly States --- that you can extend your oil change interval "up to 2-3 times the manufacturers recommendation" using Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oil.
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I hope this answers your questions.
If not please post additional questions and I will follow up later.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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nofool
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7/06/2003
22:23:04
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You will never see a small speciality supplier being factory fill. Only the majors can afford to give their oil away. Part of the agreement is the filler cap states "use only mobil1" ..... ha ha ha ha ....... like I can only use Gillette Shaving Cream if I buy Gilette Razors. ha ha ha
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rt13
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7/06/2003
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thanks for the info amsoil. i will definately be purchasing the oil now. i couldnt find any info stating it was tested up to 25k miles (in ideal driving conditions), so i thought id come to you. i know you posted some nice graphs a while back, do you still have them? im only leaving the oil in for 12k (due to unideal driving conditions), but id still like to have proof to shut these other guys up. but once again, thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. i cant wait for my oil/filters/rearend additive to get here!
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rt13
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7/06/2003
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p.s. oilslick - anyone would risk their reputation for a certain price... magazine inherently do it all the time...
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Larry L
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7/06/2003
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The reason for the factory fill and recommendation of M1 is poor engine design in the Corvette. The larger mains need more oil quicker than regular dino can provide. GM has replaced a bunch of engines because of this as the front main will seize. Makes ya wanna go out and buy a handful a 'vettes, huh?
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Luke
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7/07/2003
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I am the proud owner of a Vette and a Dak.
The LS1 engines (that go in Corvettes, Camaros and Firebirds) have some pretty nasty piston slap problems but it doesn't seem to harm their durability at all. Same with some of GM's 3.1 liter engines too. GM indicated that if the slap lasted no more than 1.5 minutes (I believe) it was OK. WOW, and HOLY COW !
A lot of guys I know with LS1s have had good luck switching from Mobil 1 5w30 to 10w30, or even to a mix of 10w30 and 15w50. Others have also had good luck switching from Mobil 1 to Amsoil.
With these engines, try out another oil other than Mobil 1. Some cars just don't seem to do well with Mobil 1, at least not the thinner viscosities.
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BigBlue QC
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7/07/2003
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have had AMSOIL everything in my truck since 4000 miles(68000 on truck now) With Oil Analysis done every 10000 miles, everything is doing fine. Have gone about 18000-20000 between actual oil changes, changing filter at or around 12000 miles. They have me convinced. Have AMSOIL in girlfriends 96 vette(LT1), she drives it hard as far as real life goes, only runs for about 15 minutes in the morn and 15 minutes to go home. Engine never really warms up. The oil was in for almost a year, had it analyzed, it came back as if it had barely been in the engine at all
2002 QC 4x4 Sport Plus, 4.7L, auto, Patriot Blue, Tire & Handling group,
Heavy Duty Service group, Leer cap w/out windows, Mopar Step bars and roof rack, Rhino liner in bed and on step bars, Pace Edwards Power Tailgate lock
3.55 rear, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes, all possible fluids are AMSOIL
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HomerDak
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7/07/2003
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I may be new to the website here but I want to tell you DAK owners that I am very impressed with the AMSOIL Product Line !!
Clinch Brake and Alignment and WEST Auto Supply here in Homerville, Ga. both sell AMSOIL Synthetics.
I change my oil once a year and the filter
every 12,500 miles or six months.
"HomerDak"
Homerville, Ga.
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DakotaEnthusiast
7/25/2003
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Wasn't sure where to post this ... but here goes:
If you go to the new "Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle" ... movie watch closely for Chris Gosselaar. It's been reported that Goose has a speaking part in the flick. Apparently the AMSOIL Sponsored Rider tries to make some moves on Lucy Liu. The AMSOIL colors are visible.
Complimenting this appearance, if you see the music video for the movie featuring the artist Pink look for Gosselaar again. It's quick, but the Amsoil Sponsored Rider makes another cameo. This shouldn't surprise anyone. Show business runs in the family. Goose is related to Paul Mark-Gosselaar of NYPD Blue and Saved by the Bell fame.
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youngb
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7/25/2003
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I run Amsoil for 24,000 miles at a time in my 02 Extera. I just change the filters every 8,000. So far at 74,000 miles it still runs like new. Pretty much all highway miles, not a big deal. The 00 RT (blown) gets changed every 9,000 miles and filters at 3,000. All I do is race it, even then the oil comes out like new.
Barry
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DakotaEnthusiast
7/26/2003
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Thanks Barry,
I would appreciate hearing from other Amsoil users ... their fluid change schedules, their results, their opinions, and yes ... their complaints.
We can't make things better without hearing the bad along with the good.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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Dr. D
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7/26/2003
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Hey Steven,
You know that I am runnin AMSOIL and I must tell you that I push it to the maximum drain limits set forth by AMSOIL.
I use it in every piece of equipment that I have and it does save me time and money.
Dr. D
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Most of the people that I know who poke fun at AMSOIL are those who have never used it.
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Mark
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7/26/2003
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Very impressive product. I may have to start using it instead of Mobile 1. I hate changing oil in the Winter. haha
-Mark Hryckiewicz
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TECH
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7/27/2003
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Using the bypass filtration setup that amsoil sells is a big help in keeping the oil in good shape...I'll be using it soon.
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mdandl
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7/28/2003
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I use it in both daks, i change mine once a year about 6k wifes once too but filter at 6 month about 18-20k year
my deere and exmark mowing equip, every fall at end of season, even use it in my stihl equipment 2cycle works great and saves me $$$$
the two cycle stuff ,less smoke and no fouling
i even use it in my service truck, that is way over loaded and hot running, changes one a year with 2 filter change about 25-30k
Mike B
1997 Dakota Sport RC V6, Magenta, Dynomax Ultra Flow, K&N, APC Clear Corners, NR White Face Gauges, Mopar Boards, rails, Line-X, and Others to come
2000 Dakota Sport RC V6, Dynomax Ultra Flow, K&N, ARE Cover, Euro Clear Corners, Euro Tails
NEW TOY 1987 Dakota RC LB V6
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DakotaEnthusiast
7/28/2003
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mdandl,
Since you mentioned AMSOILŪ Synthetic 2-Cycle Oils
100:1 Mix Ratio saves $$$
Maximum protection for: Outboard motors, Snowmobiles, Motorcycles, All air-cooled and water-cooled 2-cycle engines, Chainsaws, and ATVs.
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Reduces friction and wear, improves throttle response and delivers maximum power. Clean-burning formulations prevent plug fouling and carbon deposits. Delivers quick, dependable starts. Reduces smoke and emissions and won't "load up" during prolonged idling. Provides outstanding cold temperature flow. Contains special anti-rust agents for off-season storage.
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Mr.H
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7/28/2003
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100:1 ?!!!!!!!!!!
Not in my $5,000 CR-125!!!!
I am running the Amsoil 5-30 for the first time in the Dak 4.7 5spd CC sport and only have 4,000 miles on the oil and filter. I have generally noticed that most oils (judging by engine noises when cranked cold) don't last that long under my abuse.
The 4.7 is an unmistakably quiet engine in stock form, and mine with 35k is still quiet as new. No valve noises or any other noises for that matter.
I did however notice what sounded like a little timing chain stretch when I cranked it cold the other morning. This is normal for my vehicles. I'd like to go with a roller-rocker setup whenever I change the heads in any way for that among other reasons.
I'm impressed with the 4.7 and Amsoil's service record in general.
Has anyone else noticed this noise when cranking their 4.7 cold?
Matt in AR
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DakotaEnthusiast
7/28/2003
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Okay Mr. H.,
Then how aboutour 50:1 - AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 2-Cycle Racing Oil
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DakotaEnthusiast
7/28/2003
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When a person invests thousands of dollars in a machine it only makes sense that they should invest in the best 2-cycle oil available to protect that machine. Performance benefits, including dependable starts, improved throttle response, maximum power and reduced plug fouling and carbon deposits are reasons to use AMSOIL 2-Cycle Oil.
AMSOIL is the "official two-cycle oil of the World Snowmobile Association". You can't get much better than that.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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Mr.H
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7/28/2003
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I don't doubt the quality, but I WON'T run it 100:1 EVER! Maybe 50:1 on the good stuff though.
I'd be more impressed if it was the official oil of team Honda or something like that.
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Greg
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7/29/2003
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I run my chain saw and Stihl weeder on Amsoil 100:1. Both work great on this oil. Many people are paranoid about 100:1 (myself included in the beginning), but I got over it. The 100:1 was tested to 300:1 ... I dunno about that, but 100:1 is fine for me.
I'd recommend the Amsoil 100:1, mixed at that ratio. I've been using it for about 10 years and it works flawlessly in applications calling for 40:1 or 50:1 mixes. This formulation isn't diluted with solvents - that's why it has a flash point of 507F and a pour point of only -17F. By comparison, the Amsoil injector oil has a flash point of about 160F and a pour point of approx -45F, so it is cut with solvent. In the latter case, the very low pour point is required for snowmobile use in oil injection systems.
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DannyBoy
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7/29/2003
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Amsoil 100:1, been running it in my Craftsman leaf blower every fall and winter since new, and it is 6 yrs old, running wide open nonstop for four tanks till the yard is done.
Mini Mac chain saw that is 7 yrs old, up to this year cut an average of 4 cords of wood a year. Always mixed 100:1, IDE weed wacker 9 yrs old, Amsoil 100:1 since new. All no problems, and I never even changed a spark plug. I ran Amsoil at 100:1 even in my Personal Water Craft a 650 Yamaha Super Jet that called for 50:1.
I too was concerned at first with the 100:1 mix but I am a forever faithful tried and true user from my use of it.
May I also say that I don't do anything to the leaf blower, chain saw or weed eater from season to season, just top off and store till next year. Not even a trace of fuel stabilizer.
Yeah, you're saying I'm asking for trouble. Well so far - so good, and 9 years is a long time with no trouble.
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hank
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7/29/2003
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Dr. D
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7/29/2003
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I use nothing but AMSOIL in ALL of my equipment and the best way to look at the 100:1 mix ratio is to just consider it a "concentrated formula".
I use the AMSOIL High Performance Injector Oil (you may also pre-mix it) in my boat which is mixed at a 50:1 ratio.
Dr. D
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Mr.H
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7/29/2003
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Ok, so the pic of the CR is telling me???????
I don't doubt it it just seems risky running 100:1 on a 125cc motor that makes 35 hp. But I might give it a try, seems like it'll save money.
Any motorcross testimonies like no re-ring jobs for 6 yrs and still winning first in open-class on a 125????????
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JeremyS
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8/01/2003
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Dr. D is right.
If you visit the grocery you see concentrated laundry detergent.
100:1 is a CONCENTRATED 2-cycle formula.
I have been using it for years with no problems.
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