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12/19/2007
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Um. I work for Cummins. That bulletin is an internet fraud. It's made up. It's phony. It's fake. Go to Cummins.com and try doing a search on that fake bulletin number.
You're a fücking idiot for repeating it. Truckers have been using moly additives for decades. The USAAC used moly in P-51's and P-47's.
Stop being a flaming douche bag, stop with the fake oil reports, stop with the RP crap, put a gun in your mouth and blow your tiny little flaming brain out the back of your head.
Do us all a favor.
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BS
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12/19/2007
13:19:23
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You work for Cummins?
I call BULL $HIT !!!!
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Dr. Dakota
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12/19/2007
13:20:29
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DO NOT USE AN OIL WITH MOLY (Royal Purple) in your Cummins Diesel.
Cummins Engine Oil Recommendations Bulletin No. 3810340-02
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Dr. Dakota
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12/19/2007
13:21:48
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Moly in Engine Oil (Royal Purple uses lots of Moly).
Check out the OEM bulletin from Cummins ....
It is the Cummins Engine Oil Recommendations Bulletin No. 3810340-02.
Or you can stop at a Cummins Dealer and purchased the bulletin for about $3.
On page 7 it has a section on FRICTION MODIFIERS states:
There is firm evidence that certain friction modifiers, molybdenum dithiophosphate (moly) for example, can in certain formulations result in cam follower pin failure at relatively low mileage.
Molybdenum compounds in motor oils can degrade and cause bearing corrosion and is particularly aggressive towards copper. In almost all cases, any engine oil formula having "moly" will also contain a Copper Deactivator which will protect bearings from the moly compounds. The only problem, the copper deactivator decomposes at relatively low temperatures and looses it's potency after a few thousand miles.
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Cory Eye_Trip
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12/19/2007
13:23:41
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I STAND CORRECTED !!!!!!!
ROYAL PURPLE NOT FOR YOUR DAILY DRIVER
this was posted by Gregg earlier:
Quoted from Duluth Diesel in TundraSolutions Forum.
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/839369-post13/
"Not all synthetic oils are the same. Mobile is a Group III synthetic, not a Group IV. Even though the label might say Full Synthetic, it doesn't mean the same thing for all oils. As for extended drain intervals, it is fine to run extended drain intervals with a Group IV synthetic oil if you couple it with better filtration. Not all oil filters are created equal either. Fram and other cheap oil filters don't filter much below 35 micron and are just cellulose (paper based) filters. Higher quality oil filters have synthetic media, not paper, and filter much better. AMSOIL Eao oil filters filter down to 15 micron, and their bypass filtration systems filter down to 2 micron at 98% efficiency.
There are many oils out there that call themselves synthetic, but not all are created equal, and that's important to know. You do get what you pay for. Group III synthetic oils only use about 12% synthetic base stocks. The rest is hyrdocracked petroleum base stocks. For major oil companies who have their money in crude oil refining, the word "synthetic" is merely a marketing term. It does not mean 100%, but just that a percentage of synthetic base stock goes into their product.
The oils that are commonly mentioned are Group II and Group III synthetics with the exception of Royal Purple, which is a Group V. AMSOIL is a Group IV synthetic (PAO) but also uses Group V Ester technology. It gives you the best of Group IV and Group V synthetics. Mobil 1 is a Group III synthetic. AMSOIL is a Group IV synthetic.
In the late 1990s, Castrol started selling an oil made from Group III base oil and called it SynTec Full Synthetic. Mobil sued Castrol, asserting that this oil was not synthetic, but simply a highly refined petroleum oil, and therefore it was false advertising to call it synthetic. In 1999, Mobil lost their lawsuit. It was decided that the word "synthetic" was a marketing term and referred to properties, not to production methods or ingredients. Castrol continues to make SynTec out of Group III base oils, that is highly purified mineral oil with most all of the cockroach bits removed.
Shortly after Mobil lost their lawsuit, most oil companies started reformulating their synthetic oils to use Group III base stocks instead of PAOs or diester stocks as their primary component. Most of the "synthetic oil" you can buy today is actually mostly made of this highly-distilled and purified dino-juice called Group III oil. Group III base oils cost about half as much as the synthetics. By using a blend of mostly Group III oils and a smaller amount of "true" synthetics, the oil companies can produce a product that has some of the same properties as the "true" synthetics, and nearly the same cost as the Group III oil. AMSOIL differs from Group III oils. As a Group IV oil, it uses 100% pure synthetic base stocks. This is why you can run it for longer intervals.
Synthetic oils were originally designed for the purpose of having a very pure base oil with excellent properties. By starting from scratch and building up your oil molecules from little pieces, you can pretty much guarantee that every molecule in the oil is just like every other molecule, and therefore the properties are exactly what you designed in, not compromised by impurities. Synthetics were thus originally a reaction to the relatively poor refining processes available from about 1930 to about 1990. The original synthetics were designed for the Army Air Force in WW II. They simply could not make their high- performance turbo-charged radial engines stay alive on the available motor oils of the time.
One process for making synthetic base oils is to start with a chemical called an olefin, and make new molecules by attaching them to each other in long chains, hence "poly." The primary advantage of Poly-Alpha-Olefin "PAO" base oil is that all the molecules in the base oil are pretty much identical, so it's easy to get the base oil to behave exactly as you like. PAOs are called Group IV base oils.
These PAO base oils have an enormous advantage over mineral base oils in low temperature performance and in resistance to oxidation, which is critical in keeping the oil from forming acids.
Another type of base oil is made from refined and processed esters and is called Group V. Esters start life as fatty acids in plants and animals, which are then chemically combined into esters, diesters, and polyesters. Group V base stocks are the most expensive of all to produce. However, the esters are polar molecules and have very significant solvent properties - an ester base oil all by itself will do a very decent job of keeping your engine clean. So, people who are serious about making a superior oil will usually mix some Group V oils into their base stock.
Oils that are strictly Group V ester oils tend to be better suited for high RPM, hot running, air cooled engines. 100% ester based oils are usually more expensive than Group IV oils, and don't have the longevity of PAO (Group IV) or PAO/Ester mixes oils. Group V oils perform very well in the shorter term. Oils like Royal Purple and Redline are Group V oils. They perform very well in race engines and in applications where drain intervals are factory spec or shorter, whereas Group IV oils are better suited for the long haul of extended intervals.
Whatever oil you choose, know what you are buying. Just because the jug says "synthetic" doesn't mean it is made from 100% pure synthetic base stocks."
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12/19/2007
13:32:52
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More Complete Bull Sh1T
read your owners manual
you inbreed!
you warranty can and will be void for not following the car/truck makers oils guidlines
if it says use API certified oils then hey guess what?
and if it says oil changes done no longer then 7500 miles then hey guess what?
Not matter what the oil maker claims!
and infact! if you check scamsoils own written guidlines! they say 25,000 miles or longer but yet
READ GOOD! they also tell you to follow the auto/truck makers guidelines!
why? EASY! cause when the dealer denies your warranty claim an you then go to scamsoil
they can Stand their arms crossed and shake their heads NO!!!!!
cause hey they have it in writting too!
i swear you guys buy into this scamsoil crap like you was lemmings following him through a raging river!
they "the auto/truck maker" WILL NOT and DO NOT have to approve any warranty claims!
IF you DO NOT follow what is required for oil!
you were given everything in writing!
more proof needed? just ask
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Cory Eye_Trip
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12/19/2007
14:39:03
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I WAS WRONG
I LEARNED THE TRUTH ABOUT API AND AMSOIL
All vehicle manufacturers in the U.S. have agreed that a warranty cannot be denied because a customer was using any particular brand of oil that meets specifications, unless an engine failure was directly attributable to the fluid. If it is not a fluid related failure, they cannot void the warranty. The law supports this position.
Plus, the dealer/manufacturer has no way of telling what fluid you are using. How do I know? I am a former aircraft technician. I too was sceptical in the beginning. But now I am a believer.
I WAS WRONG.
Amsoil meets and exceeds API specs.
USE AMSOIL WITH CONFIDENCE !!!!!
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