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01Motorsport
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6/17/2003
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SOMEBODY give these trucks a HOME! Two dealers in Tennessee that I pass by occasionally have each had Flame Red RC 2003 R/T's sitting on the lot since JANUARY! Either they aren't dealin', trying to get max price, or the infernal add-on stickers scare buyers away. Anyway, if you enjoy window stickers on the web, go to www.dodge.com and hit dealer search for East Tennessee or Burgin Dodge, key in Dakota in the search box at the bottom right, and Go! Leverage those salesmen: R/T's are too nice to be "dead inventory".
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steve
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6/18/2003
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The thing is the Hemi is the hot ticket right now so they will probably sit for a while!
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DakotaDriver
Dodge Dakota
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6/18/2003
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What is the R/T's towing capacity? Last I heard it was only 2000#. Not a truck. A car with an open box for a trunk. A truck can at least tow its own weight.
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rtdkota
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6/18/2003
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The 2000# towing capacity is a formality to meet the NHSTA's criteria on certification. The RT's lowered suspension was the reason for the change.
Throw a set of airbags (as anyone would do on a 'lowered' truck) a class III - IV hitch, electric brake controller (if a travel trailer or car hauler)-- and go for it. No problems.
The vehicles were originally rated at 6700#---
Sam
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DakotaDriver
Dodge Dakota
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6/18/2003
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I guess the issue is all of the bells and whistles needed for true towing capacity such as the cooling system, tranny, differential, etc. - not just the wiring warness and hitch. My 2000 Dakota with tow package was ready to go.
If anything, the R/T's I've seen on the showroom floor were NOT lowered suspensions but raised!
I tow 5,000# worth of boat and trailer behind my 4.7L Dakota with only moderate performance issues - usually heating up on long uphill climbs. I'd be concerned if a vehicle isn't rated at least higher than what I need to tow. It definitely kept me from the R/T.
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steve
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6/18/2003
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The purpose of an R/T is not to tow hense R oad/T rack
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Spencer
Dodge Dakota
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6/18/2003
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if that were the issue, you could just check that option off for $180 and get the heavy-duty package, and it already comes standard with an LSD, and yes, they are lowered about an inch
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01Motorsport
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6/18/2003
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The Hemi in the Ram is not reason enough for me to choose the Ram over the Dakota, which I consider the ideal pickup day in and day out.
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SinCity R/T
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6/19/2003
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I guess the issue is all of the bells and whistles needed for true towing capacity such as the cooling system, tranny, differential, etc. - not just the wiring warness and hitch. My 2000 Dakota with tow package was ready to go.
If anything, the R/T's I've seen on the showroom floor were NOT lowered suspensions but raised!
I tow 5,000# worth of boat and trailer behind my 4.7L Dakota with only moderate performance issues - usually heating up on long uphill climbs. I'd be concerned if a vehicle isn't rated at least higher than what I need to tow. It definitely kept me from the R/T.
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The R/T typically comes with the HD towing package already included (mine did). The 5.9L V8/46RE was THE towing motor for the Ram until the V10 came along (the result is what pisses off all the people who think the R/T should be as fast as a Camaro - it's a TOWING motor not a RACING motor!). Although the 4.7L V8 is nice, the 5.9L has over 50ftlb more torque.
The one and only issue with the R/T for towing is the lowered suspension - they are 1" lower than stock. Because of the components they chose, the bumper alignment makes for poor towing (2000# rating). Add a proper class III/IV/V hitch to the truck and you go right back up into the 6000#+ range.
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steve
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6/19/2003
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I am with you 100% on that one 01Motorsport, I wouldn't trade my R/T for anything not even a hemi. To me my R/T is a much more rare vehicle than most vehicles on the road and as years go by she will be quite a collector as is the case with your motorsport. I had my fun with my 01 R/T now the new 03 sits 90% of the time. I've had it 6 months and have only put on 1672 kilometers (1000 miles).Some may think thats a shame to do dick all to it (mods) and not drive it often but in 20 years when it has 20 k on it it will be worth it! Oh Ya I Love my Freakin Truck!
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01Motorsport
Dodge Dakota
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6/19/2003
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Yeah, steve, there's no guarantee there will be any 2004 R/T's; there can't be too many 5.9 engines left, and I get the feeling if D-C drops in the Hemi, it will probably be called an SRT. I wish I had the luxury to keep miles off my Motorsports Edition, but it is my business vehicle (30K mi/yr). At least a lot of people see it that wouldn't otherwise. I have a spare decal set, and have just bought some 17x9's so that I can store the black wheels and Eagle #1's. 1028 were produced, but only 13 were RC/black/4.7/5-spd/3:92. "fastdak" also has one of the 13. A Mopar collector recently told me not to worry about the mileage too much; the biggest thing was just having the truck. Just give your R/T some "exercise" once in awile, steve :) > of course, you will <...
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RaZoR1
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6/19/2003
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Why would you buy a performance truck with a 5.9 gas pig when you could buy the 4.7 and be just as quick and save a few bucks??? That's why the RT's are not selling. That's why i bought my 4.7. Not that thed 4.7 is a gas sipper but it's not as bad as the RT. I've put a 2/4 drop on mine which looks better than the mere 1 on the RT and i still saved money on the sticker price alone!!!
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DakotaDriver
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6/19/2003
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I tow just fine with the 4.7L. Towing a 21' boat and trailer which is total of over 5,000# I get between 13 and 15 MPG. Only difficulty is long, steep climbs where the motor could stand an extra few ponies and the radiator could be a little larger due to the 100° temps we have in the southwest. (I40 Barstow to Needles) The motor in the R/T wasn't the question as a motor realling doesn't care what it is pushing. I would be concerned about the differential, wheel bearings, axles, shocks etc. to take a 400# tongue weight or more. Without knowing what is SPECIFICALLY included on the R/T I wouldn't spend the extra dough for it. Remember...for me the truck sits in the garage all week and comes out to tow on the weekends or for hauling stuff that doens't fit in one of my two other vehicles.
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brain fart
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6/19/2003
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"there can't be too many 5.9 engines left"
And just what makes you think they quite making them !!!!!!!
Have you ever heard of "Just in Time delivery" The automakers have used this technique for several years now, they don't stock pile parts like they use too.
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steve
R/T
6/19/2003
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I didn't buy a 4.7 because I wanted an R/T and if my concern was to race I sure wouldn't buy a 4.7 dak (truck),there are MANY better choices out there for vehicles that can haul ass bone stock. I bought something that will be appreciated in time for its lack of availability and the limited production #'s associated with the R/T. Not to be rude but 4.7 daks are a dime a dozen. The R/T in time will be sought after... the 4.7 not! If you have never owned an R/T you would understand when you get complete stangers coming to talk about the truck and saying how much they love it and have always wanted one. My cousin who has a 02 slt 4.7 can't say he has had anyone come to him and say that although it is an awesome truck!
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DakotaDriver
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6/19/2003
15:34:48
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Somehow the "classic" truck has eluded my memory. I can't think of one valuable classic truck model. R/T becoming a classic? No offense but I don't think so. Enjoy your truck but it won't be a AC Cobra or any Ferrari or Porsche. Not even a SD 455 Firebird. All are classics and hard to find in original form.
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steve
R/T
6/19/2003
16:37:26
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Take a look around ANY Chev,Ford,Dodge truck from the beginning of time and even to the 70's(Dodge Warlock) that is still a low mile original and taken care is worth big bucks! I am not saying that I am resting my retirement on this truck appreciating in value, I am saving something from this era that I really enjoy and I AM sure it will be worth taking care of to enjoy when I retire in 25yrs and quite possibly be rare being totally stock and original. How many R/T's out there are completely stock or have stock replacement parts? Everyone does what I did ,I went to town on my 01 and had a blast doing it and rode it hard in the process. But now I am in a position to let the 03 sit and enjoy it in the summer months only. As for "valuable classic models" ,Buy a classic car and truck trader and take a look you may be humbled! Trucks have been the best sellers for how long hmmm...I think there is interest in them.And you don't think that being sport trucks have become such a hot item lately(Lightnings,R/T's,SS) that they won't be considered a "classic" one day I may be wrong but I disagree.Quote "all are classics and hard to find in original form" Exactly!
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6/19/2003
17:16:42
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SS454 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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DakotaDriver
Dodge Dakota
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6/19/2003
17:31:14
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What truck - model and year please - is worth more than its sticker price was when it was new?
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steve
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6/19/2003
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ANY Truck Up untill the late 70's. You are an idiot! Any vehicle rarely was worth more than $5000.00 before 1970. My first car was a 69 Cougar (390) Bought it in 88 for $6500.00, New it was worth $3900.00 and some change.I am sure trucks are no different. There is an example of the price scale back then for you to compare ,I am assuming you speek before you think quite a bit don't you? Examples of trucks...Late 60's to 70's chev,ford same era,even some late 70's early-mid 80's chev silverados in PRIME stock original trim are getting close to their new $$ value.I recall a Warlock selling in the Classic Trader for 18-20 grand a year ago and that is a Dodge product from Dodges not so good years.I am to assume you didn't grab a trader yet ..Thats what I thought ! Seriously check one out and you will drop your argument.
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steve
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6/19/2003
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Actually E-mail me I can send you as many ads as you would like if you need the proof!!
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DakotaDriver
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6/19/2003
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Idiot? Hardly! Close to their new $$???? Close in a galactic sense? You're out in space. It doesn't matter WHAT someone ASKS for an object it is what they GET for it. These aren't classics in a true sense at all...get a grip ... it's a f__king truck already. You're the idiot showing your ignorance and inflexibility to think outside the box and listen to opinions that differ from your own.
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steve
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6/19/2003
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GO BUY A CLASSIC TRADER AND LOOK FOR YOURSELF, how feakin hard is that???You have NO idea! And for the record YOU are making this a value issue I don't believe I ever said anything about value I said RARE! Oh ya E-Mail me please I would love to prove you wrong.. Just click the little black black box with the words in it please please!
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I agree
Dodge Dakota
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6/20/2003
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I will have to agree with steve, when in truck history (previous the mid -late 90's) has a stock truck been able to run in the 14.8 to 15.5 (Daks) in the quarter STOCK! The r/t ,lightning and even the early 90s chev SS are really the begining of the muscle truck era and one that is going strong I might add. I think there is a chance of good value in these trucks 20-30 yrs from now i wish I had a r/t that I could do the same with- hell even a lightning!
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Jack Tabor jr
Dodge Dakota
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6/20/2003
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Got me thinking and I went and got that rag and sure as sh-t 2pages in there wuz a 71 chev 3/4 ton 4x4 short box with a 396 original 52000 miles asking $16500, in a few more pages and there was a 69 ferd with 4 gear 390 2x4 and sweet looking with only 68000 miles going for $12000. I don't know fer sure but I think they were not that expensive when new.yep there is alot of them in here dude!!!
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Spencer
Dodge Dakota
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6/20/2003
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so dakotadriver, are you saying that all those 50s and 60s trucks that people are restoring and winning many shows with arent classics? the classic term doesnt just apply to cars, its any vehicle, including boats, planes, and motorcycles, and yes, trucks too
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DakotaDriver
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6/20/2003
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You can call my old tennis shoes classic if you want but a sow's ear is still from a pig. True classics are unique, exceptional examples of an artform where trucks are neither. They're just old and restored.
Sure...I'll tell you what...I'll put an ad for my old soccer cleats in EBAY for $100,000 and then you can say they're classics and "just look how they appreciated"! Putting it up for sale at a ridiculous price doesn't mean anybody in their right mind would pay for it. LMAO at the ignorance.
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Spencer
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6/20/2003
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If you dont like trucks, why do you drive one? And no one would want your atheletes foot infected shoes anyway, so that comment was just pointless, just because you dont think something is a classic, doesnt mean that everyone else in this world goes along with your idiotic opinion, and people only ask a fair value for what those trucks are worth, and i highly doubt you even have a dakota and drive it, since you are probably some 13 year old little punk who thinks he knows everything, go buy a civic, that will be the ultimate classic in 20 years, since they wont even be around then, since they will all have rotted away
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steve
R/T
6/20/2003
18:06:52
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Ok cool guy I just called an add refering to a 1970 chev pick up for sale.Used an issue that was a month old hoping to find the vehicle sold. Never restored-64500 miles-350 CI- Turbo 350 trans- factory beauty rings and centers etc ,from the looks of it in great shape, sold for $9000.00 according to the owner. He was asking 9999.00 in the add. He also said that I wasn't the first looking for the truck long after it was sold! There is an example of appreciation of a truck and nothing special about the truck to speak of either. Maybe people as they get older and get a little more dough in the bank don't mind buying things that the wish they had earlier in life or things they regret selling. I am quite sure a lot of people may feel that way in 20-25 yrs about the R/T or the Dak in general and myself have no doubts. And speaking about thinking outside of the box....Try it hypocrate! <(spelling?)
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Jack Tabor jr
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6/20/2003
18:16:22
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Dakota driver you have no reason in your punk ass replys , people will buy things that are worth something and a sows ear....? People pay thousands of dollars for sports cards,beanies,hotwheels,and even rocks,why would they not pay thousands for a vehicle dumb ass!You are the one in space geek boy.
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6/20/2003
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Chevrolet Cameo Pickup
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