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Bagadonitz
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6/16/2003
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 Subject: 2003 Quad Cab Squeeky Brakes
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I posted this last night but I can't seem to find it anywhere so I'm assuming it is gone. If this is a duplicate from me I appologize.
My brakes have squeeked like the dickens since the day I bought my truck. It is particullary bad at low speed such as when slowing down for a left in a residential area or something like that.
Twice I have bought it to the dealer and twice I have been told the following "The 2003's have a new type of compound in the brake pads and thus this squeek/screech is normal."
This seems like total BS to me. I have driven close to other trucks jjust like mine and have not heard this. I would like to know if this is a fact or not and what your experience is with this. It seems foolish to me and it sounds just like it sounds when pads are on their last legs and the clip hits the rotor.
Thanks!
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BigBlue QC
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6/16/2003
12:42:01
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maybe Dodge has reformaulated the OEM brake pads so they aren't so hard on the rotors to reduce rotor warpage??? Time will tell I guess. Keep those lugnuts HAND TORQUED.
2002 QC 4x4 Sport Plus, 4.7L, auto, Patriot Blue, Tire & Handling group,
Heavy Duty Service group, Leer cap w/out windows, Mopar Step bars and roof rack, Rhino liner in bed and on step bars, Pace Edwards Power Tailgate lock
3.55 rear, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes, all possible fluids are AMSOIL
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mb
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6/16/2003
13:13:58
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Lots you can do here.
Are you handy? If so, swap out the stock pads with some that are more to your liking (easy job / better performance).
Or... If you think "I dont want to have to replace these new pads" Then get an anti-squeal "shim" and place it behind the stock pads between the pad & the caliper puck. What that shim does is basically give the pads a material to stabilize the movement of thr pad & therefore stop the "squeek" (the squeek is just pad movement ya know).
While you have the stock pads out you can file down a bit of the leading & back edge of the pad. That 'ol trick helps reduce noise too.
Lastly... The dealer is blowing smoke up your skirt. "normal"... What a crock. Dont let them tell you that. We all know that Dodge would not make the damn thing squeek. That is just nuts that the dealer expected you to believe that.
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JasonB
Dodge Dakota
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6/16/2003
14:00:20
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Brake noise is becoming more of an issue for many new vehicle owners due to higher metallic compunds in brake pads. It seems often to be a side effect of a longer lasting pad. If you have ever owned a Dodge Neon or PT Cruiser, you would see what BAD brake squeal really is. Neons and Cruisers are as bad as they get, and trust me, there is NO factory cure, only bandaids.
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Bagadonitz
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6/16/2003
14:30:02
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So I'm getting a mixed message here.
What I don't want to happen is to wait another 10000 km, have the brakes go to hell and have them say that it is normal wear and tear when currently this screaching is a warning sign that something is wrong.
Twice I've had them "look" at the brakes and they say all is well but for all I know it could be BS.
I might go in and demand one of them come out with me for a test run in a similar truck sitting on the lot and show me that it squeeks too....
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JasonB
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6/16/2003
15:44:53
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Hey Bagadonitz...if you are truly concerned about the condition of your brakes, get a second opinion. Raising hell at the same place will make you look like a jackass and get you less cooperation. Maybe even look at the pads/shoes yourself. Trust me, my mother could probably tell if there was unusual wear in a brake pad or shoe. Also, keep in mind, brake noise does not always mean brake problems, although it does get annoying as hell.
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Bagadonitz
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6/16/2003
15:51:39
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I agree there is no point in dancing and kicking up a storm at the same place. I usually do my own brake work and am capable of doing it myself and probably will look myself. Just wanted to know if anyone else has experienced the same with this truck. Is this a common thing with this year/model or is my situation unique.
Thanks for the perspective.
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Dave Hall
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6/16/2003
15:59:26
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My 2000 QC's brakes started squealing a couple of weeks ago. These pads have at least 22,000 miles on them and the rotors I assume are original (I bought the truck used with 23,000 miles - I now have 45,000 miles - I have never had anything done to the brakes). I took it into the shop where they pulled the wheels and told me I have 80% of the front pads left and 60% of the back shoes. They said the rotors were fine (with a little pulsing) but that they couldn't be cut again. They did not know why the brakes squeal. Sounds as bad as brakes with the pads shot to hell. Why it started after so many miles - who knows. I hope it goes away or I may have to change out the pads and rotors before they truly "need" it.
Dave Hall
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JasonB
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6/16/2003
16:01:09
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Its not happening in all of them, but lets just say that the Dakota is no stranger to brake noise especially in the later year models.
From a Dakota owner and Dodge dealer service dept employee
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Bagadonitz
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6/16/2003
16:03:31
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Thanks Jason. I appreciate the view point.
Here is another question. My neighbour has a 2003 1500 SLT 4x4 with the 5.7 Hemi. As does a friend of mine. No brake noise with those. Do they have different brake pads?
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JasonB
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6/16/2003
16:19:46
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The brake systems are VERY different on the Dakotas and Rams. It initially seems like the problem of brake rotor warpage will exist in the new Rams as well as Dakotas, but noise should be limited to the Dakotas. Brake noise will probably not be an issue in the Ram. Don't ask me why, I am in the wrong end of the business if I could answer that one.
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Bagadonitz
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6/16/2003
16:22:55
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On the lines of rotor warpage is that a big issue with the Dakotas? The reason I ask is I also find a little bit of pulsation that seems to be in the same corner of the truck that most of the squeeks come from. I have also asked to have this looked at by my 5* only to be told that it is due to the tires that are on the truck (stock).
I'm thinking I will haul off the wheels and look at it myself.
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JasonB
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6/16/2003
16:34:53
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As long as the vibration remains bearable, I would wait until just under 12,000 miles (as per the brake warranty) to have the vibration fixed. Especially if your dealer is going to cut the rotors instead of replace them. And yes, in my opinion, brake rotor warpage has been a consistent issue for the past few years on Dakotas.
If its any consolation though, its not as bad as the Jeep Grand Cherokees were.
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Bagadonitz
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6/16/2003
16:48:44
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I would do that except the dealers reaction to it is "The brakes are fine it is becuase the truck has big tires that have a certain amount of pulsation in them while under braking."
Between this and the squeek I'm getting a bad taste in my mouth. Both "causes" of the problems I have enquired about seem like foolishness to me but like you said I don't want to go in there demanding things fixed and put myself off as a jerk. However I don't want just accept these responses as gospel and ignore my problems while pretending to be ignorant. I guess I just don't know what to do as I find asserting myself to service writers to be difficult even though I have no such problem doing so anywhere else. LOL.
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JasonB
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6/16/2003
17:17:36
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Ask them to prove it. If I tell a customer something (mostly because a technician said so), then I will have a way to prove it, back it up or other cases to base it on. This is one I would push a little bit, maybe try calling there and explaining the circumstances to the service manager and tell him about the info you have gotten from this forum. A reasonable service manager will be happy to give it a second look and check for brake rotor warpage.
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Bagadonitz
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6/16/2003
17:24:52
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I will do that. Thanks for the suggestion.
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DaveC
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6/16/2003
18:49:29
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My 2003 Dakota Quad Cab also has squeaky brakes, although in my case it didn't start until around 7,500 miles. It now has just under 10,000 miles on it and the noise seems to come and go, depending on how hard I've been braking. When the brakes are cold, it usually takes 10 minutes or so of stop and go driving before the squealing starts. Before I bought the truck, I read about all of the problems some people were having with their brakes. I was hoping I'd be one of the lucky ones because none of my previous trucks had this problem, including a 92 Dakota Club Cab. Oh well, luck of the draw I guess. :-(
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Bagadonitz
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6/16/2003
21:33:50
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So DaveC have you tried to get the dealer to do anything about it or have you just accepted it as is?
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dakotaster
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6/16/2003
21:48:25
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I had the same problem with squealing brakes on my ranger the dealer told me that the metalic pads can sometimes get a had spot somewhere in the pad thats why it can start at anytime.They replaced the pads and i never had a problem with them again. I now have a 02 quadcab and i am finding how hard it is to get dodge to admit anything is their fault.If they dont fix it then do as somebody suggested and replace them yourself. Hope this could help you.
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DaveC
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6/17/2003
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Bagadonitz, it's only been making noise for the past 2,500 miles or so, and I haven't had a chance to mention it to the dealer yet. I plan to do so the next time I take it in for service. Although, based on what I've been reading in this forum, I won't be surprised to hear him say it's "normal" for these trucks.
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JasonB
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6/17/2003
09:36:36
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Look guys, it does not matter if anyone "admits" its their fault. Some of you seem to not understand something. You will NOT always correct a brake noise simply by replacing pads, or cutting rotors. Nor is brake noise something that can be predicted for any particular driver in a particular vehicle, while driving in any given conditions. It differs greatly from one set of circumstances to another. I have friends that work at other dealerships, including imports and domestics. Guess what? They all deal with similar customer concerns about brake noise. Here is how you "fix" the problem. Come up with a pad design that will last a long time, be very quiet and cost effective for automakers to put in the car that YOU want to spend LESS money on when you purchase it. The moment that happens, ALL automakers will be purchasing those pads and shoes. For now though, they do not exist.
Some pads are quiet on some vehicles in some circumstances. Change the pads, the circumstances or the vehicle and who knows....no noise? Maybe. Maybe not.
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macman37
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6/17/2003
11:21:09
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Bagadonitz,
I had squeaky brakes in my '03 for a short
time. I even took it back in to the dealer, where
I got the same response you did, "it's normal".
I did two things and now they don't squeak
(have 2000 miles on them now and they don't
make noise anymore except at really low
speeds):
1: Loosen and then properly retighten your lug
nuts. At least one will **always** (this is my
third recent DC vehicle and they've all been
this way) be overtightened and the rest not
very tight... It's probably the way they put the
tires on at the factory but I'm sure that
contributes significantly to rotor warpage.
2: Break your brakes in properly. That includes
(per the manual) SEVERAL hard stops to seat
the brakes. Whether you're really "seating" the
brakes is anyone's guess but hey, it works (or
at least has worked for me) so I'm saying it's
good.
Take care, and I hope this helps.
jim
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