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spitz Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/23/2003 13:14:47	Subject: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: I know this is opening a big can of worms but what is the best synthetic oil out there? i hear of people using amsoil or mobil 1. i've used valvoline for years but was wondering if any one is better or is it personal opinion?
Texas Todd Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/23/2003 14:17:19	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: I always thought that Valvoline- was just reworked dino oil, and legally, they can call it synthetic. ??
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 4/23/2003 14:59:24	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: spitz, "Best" or "Favorite" ??? First of all, "100% True Synthetic" is Group IV/Group V and "Hydrocracked (not 100%) Synthetic" is Group III (still better than straight dino) A true 100% synthetic oil uses either the Group IV or Group V basestock, or a mixture of the two. As a matter of fact, I don't think any of the synthetics use just one, they mix them both. Group IV is PAOs (Polyalfaolefins) while Group V is the esters. -------------------------------------------------- Back to your question, If you wanted opinions, you should have used the word "favorite" instead of "best". Best implies logic, but favorite implies emotions, which are illogical and opinionated. By what criteria? Price, anecdotal or actual performance, additive package, drain intervals? -------------------------------------------------- Redline is an excellent synthetic oil, but VERY pricey, and they offer no Preferred Customer Program whereby customers can receive approximately 20% off retail pricing (Amsoil does). Redline has an excellent additive package, and a high ratio of esters to PAO's. Of course I am particular to Amsoil. Amsoil has an excellent additive package, and offers extended drain intervals. Amsoil is currently priced below Mobil1 as of now, so it has an excellent price/performance ratio. Mobil1 is good for an "on-the-shelf" synthetic oil, but it could be better. My brother-in-law owns two dealerships in Europe and the European Formulation for Mobil1 there is much better than the U.S. Mobil1 Formulation. It is a weaker formulation in the U.S. to compete price-wise with the other "on-the-shelf" oils. -------------------------------------------------- There are other 100% synthetics but not as readily available as Redline, Amsoil, and Mobil1. I mentioned these three because they are the "favorite" 100% true synthetics on this site Your Valvoline is a "Hydrocracked Group III" synthetic (and not a true 100% Synthetic Oil). -------------------------------------------------- Others will post, since this is a hot topic (third only to politics and religion) ... Don't forget to use the best filtration ... Dirt is Enemy # 1. -------------------------------------------------- Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
DakChris Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/23/2003 15:57:40	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: Some of my Rustang buddies swear by Royal Purple, don't know if it's that much better though
Cobbler Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/24/2003 14:02:19	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: Using really expensive oil in a street truck is just a waste of money. Any API approved oil changed on a regular basis, along with a good filter like Wix or Delco, is just as effective as any over priced oil like ScamsOil or PurpleNurple.
HSKR Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/24/2003 17:15:35	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: I don't agree. After seeing my engine after 106K miles next to my friends engine with 60K miles side by side, I'm going to have to say synthetic is way better. I used nothing but Mobile1 synthetic, and he used Castrol GTX. My engine with almost twice as many miles was much cleaner and looked in better shape. We both drove our trucks hard, and had pretty equal mods at the time.
Whataturd Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/24/2003 18:17:42	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: Oil goes on the inside, doesn't it? What does the appearance have to do with anything? Unless you have plastigauge in your eyeballs and can see the bearings, your comments are ridiculous.
IntenseDak39 GenIII 4/24/2003 18:22:03	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: one of the mopar mags put Redline to the test a while back... they changed out every fluid with Redline and showed a gain in power... sorry but i cant remember the actual numbers but i will look into it 1998 Regular Cab V6 Auto
HotRodSRJ Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/25/2003 07:01:02	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: Several of the synthetics are very good. Amsoil, Redline, Mobile One and Valvoline all scored high in ratings. Check out http://www.vtr.org/maintain/oil-overview.html for pure numbers on a variety of differing products. You be the judge!
Ddave Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/25/2003 09:10:24	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: DakChris, My two cents: Royal Purple? IMHO, This oil should only be used for racing conditions where it is changed frequently and not in a daily driver. I was sort of on the fence about Royal Purple - I had seen some good analysis and I had seen some that showed pretty rapid oil degradation. Pressured by a buddy, I switched from Amsoil to RP 5w30 to test it myself. I just ran a 2600 mile interval oil analysis with Royal Purple and a K&N oil filter, and the oil thinned out to a 5w20, (from 11.4cst to 8.8cst, so it was a very large drop), and this is NOT what you want to see happen to your oil. After my Royal Purple oil analysis I went to the Royal Purple website for more information, and to my HORROR, I saw some pictures of surfaces "polishing each other" when using Royal Purple. I guess they figured the novice would not know what they were seeing and continue to buy their products. Surface polishing is NOT something I'd want inside my motor. I am switching back to Amsoil oils and Amsoil oil filters, and I would recommend Amsoil 5w30 to everyone on this board. Is Amsoil the best? Maybe. If not it is clearly at the top. I have never personally had a bad oil analysis with Amsoil and I have tested about 20 samples of Amsoil taken from my own engines, and one time I drove 18,000 miles between changes (that was at the 12 month Amsoil recommended interval with filter change at 6 months) with excellent results stating the oil was fine for continued use if I wanted to. Dd
Mr.H Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/25/2003 14:21:29	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: Well, I hope it's good cuz I just ordered 3 gallons of Amsoil 5w30 yesterday. I hate the feeling of going more than 5,000 miles on an oil change, even with Mobil 1 (which I currently run). I'm definitely reluctant to run 18,000 miles on an oil change!!
Brent P Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/25/2003 14:42:08	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: I ran Amsoil to 20k miles on the same oil. I too was a non-believer. I have used and tested Amsoil at various "long" drain periods, testing at 8k with filter change, testing at 14k with filter change, and then replacing oil and testing at 20k along with filter change. My oil analysis test came back with "a-okay" for continued use. I did this in a company truck just in case. I would not have risked my personal vehicle. Now that I have established that the oil can run in my truck to 20k miles, I am changing oil every 12 months with filter change every 6 months. I am comfortable with this because I tested and established a base line and felt comfortable that I could do it. In my personal vehicles I am changing Amsoil every 14k miles and filter only at 7k.
BillyJ Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/27/2003 11:36:46	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: Best oil is the cheapest oil. Same with filters. Heck, let the next owner worry about the motor. I'm trading trucks every 70k miles. I don't care about long life to my motor. I will laugh when I see the next owner driving my truck and it smoking out the rear. I'd rather spend my money on beer.
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 4/28/2003 11:28:50	The best oil? Amsoil for Extended Drains IP: Logged Message: FOR THE RECORD: Redline FINALLY confirms Synthetic Oil Extended Drains. Amsoil has confirmed and marketed this for 30 years. -------------------------------------------------- Redline's new information per their website: "Red Line Synthetic oils have been shown to last 25,000 miles in field tests; however we recommend shorter drain intervals in order to provide a margin of safety with the oil. We recommend draining the oil between 12,000 and 18,000 miles depending on the type of service and the degree of blow-by gases contaminating the oil. High-speed freeway driving is easy on the oil due to its excellent thermal stability. If the engine is worn and if considerable stop-and-go driving is involved, 10,000-12,000 mile drains are suggested. A good rule of thumb to follow is to change the oil at least once a year regardless the mileage. Manufacturers warranty requirements should be followed while under warranty. Filters can be changed every 5,000 to 7,500 miles in order to assure filter durability is not a problem." ... etc., etc. -------------------------------------------------- Amsoil comments regarding Extended Drains (in my words): Amsoil has been in the oil industry for 30 years. Due to Amsoil's superior synthetic composition and advanced performance additives, AMSOIL performs much longer than do conventional petroleum and other synthetic motor oils. No other major oil manufacturer matches AMSOIL's 25,000-mile or one-year drain interval recommendations (whichever comes FIRST, changing the filter every six months). However, the 25,000 mile /1 year that is on the back of the bottle IS NOT an absolute! One must realize that is for non-severe service (highway miles where you have stable operating conditions) and that the indicated drain interval also has a time period of 1 year maximum as well. Under a combination of city and highway circumstances, AMSOIL recommends up to 2 or 3 times longer, it means up to 2 or 3 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation (If your owners manual states 3k miles , then you can change at 9k, and if your owners manual states 5k then 12-15k changes would be alright based on driving habits ... the harder you drive, the sooner the change). Proper filtration is also very important. AMSOIL SDF Oil Filters must be changed at least every 6 months regardless of miles driven. Notice: Modifications to engine will change service intervals. Notice: More frequent service may be required under severe service operating conditions. Notice: For drain interval beyond 3x manufacturers recommendations (especially the 25k change) --- Regular oil analysis is recommended for establishing drain intervals. AMSOIL --- 30 years of manufacturing oil and mountains of data and tests make these clains possible. -------------------------------------------------- After being flamed so often on this website and on other websites for promoting Amsoil Extended Drains, it is nice to read Redline's comments confirming "premium" synthetic oil's capabilities of extending drain intervals. Thank you Redline! -------------------------------------------------- In regards to the "best" oil. Depends upon your application. The "best" oil for Extended Drains, thereby Reducing American Dependence On Foreign Oil ... It is my opinion, and the opinion of professionals within the industry, that Amsoil Is The Best! Thank You, Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
HSKR Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/28/2003 15:00:00	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: Whataturd, you pretty much showed how much you know, and anybody with half the brain you have can see this. If you really think appearance has nothing to do with quality, then you can keep on banging those 500lbs heifers you call women, and just keep telling yourself, appearnce doesn't mean anything as you get lost in the folds.
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 4/28/2003 15:51:20	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: HSKR First I was confused thinking you were calling me a "turd" and then i realized you were responding to an earlier email dated and posted 4/24/2003. Phew !!! ... Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
stino35 Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/28/2003 16:19:16	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: once you start using synthetic oil do you always have to use it
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 4/29/2003 06:11:22	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: stino35, Regarding your question: "once you start using synthetic oil do you always have to use it" No, but why would you want to switch back to dino? Synthetic Oils have been proven to increase performance: Increased performance is a subjective benefit, but it can be actually measured in numerous ways: Better cold weather starting due to lower pour points. Cooler running at high temperatures and under severe conditions. This requires measurement of operating temperatures when using petroleum lubricants and then synthetic lubricants in the same equipment under identical conditions. A controlled test is needed to demonstrate this, and it has been proven by Amsoil and others when testing synthetics in general. Most users are able to actually see the difference in their engine and transmission operating temperatures when running under similar conditions. Less component wear, as AMSOIL and others have demonstrated that synthetics offer as compared to petroleum. Usually this is only apparent to the end user when comparing oil analysis reports and comparing the wear metals in parts per million per mile when using synthetics vs. petroleum in the same vehicle. Certainly after many miles of use there would be a visual difference in wear in a controlled comparison of two similar engines, transmissions, or differentials. More horsepower as demonstrated on dynameter tests comparing AMSOIL products with petroleum oils and other synthetics. Reduced oil consumption as experienced by nearly everyone using synthetics due to lower volatility. Reduced emissions, also due to lower volatility, but not generally noticeable by the typical consumer. And there are others. Most of these performance benefits require close scrutiny by a consumer, or a controlled test to demonstrate quantitatively. Fuel economy can also be very difficult for the consumer to accurately gauge. Once again, it has been proven by AMSOIL INC. through use of industry accepted fuel economy tests, field demonstrations and as witnessed by most of our customers. -------------------------------------------------- Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
R/T Lover Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/29/2003 12:46:14	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: I don't know why this subject is such a big deal... You can't go wrong with Amsoil. I would use it no matter what. Any highend 100% synthetic is good. But I would definitely recommend Amsoil. It's gor a proven track record.
hkDakota Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 4/30/2003 14:07:11	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: Switched to Amsoil 10W30 and Amsoil Oil Filter on new years. I am going to go by the Amsoil recommended way of doing things which is change over to their oil with their filter and not change oil for one year or 25,000 miles, with a filter change and top up at 12,500 or 6 months. I didn't do a short run to flush out the old oil just went straight to Amsoil and I did not do an engine flush either because it is a low miler. I won't likely make 25000 miles so I want to sample at six months and at one year. The question is at six months should I sample before or after the filter change and top up. If before I know how the oil did, if after I know how it will be doing for a while yet? What do you guys think. I doubt I will do both, just once at 6 mnths and once at 12 and then I will change it out.
topping Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 6/14/2003 22:28:40	RE: the best oil? IP: Logged Message: U outed me....now I am t-ing....formerly ttt. Ha Ha
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 7/14/2003 10:05:23	American-Synthetic-Oil = Amsoil IP: Logged Message: Follow-up information: ---------------------- THE ROLE OF MOTOR OIL Before we can discuss what makes a good motor oil, it helps to understand what role motor oil actually plays in the performance of an engine. While motor oils serve a variety of functions, they are primarily necessary to lubricate and to cool the engine. When the engine is at rest, the motor oil sits in the bottom of the engine block in what is called the oil pan. Upon start-up, an oil pump feeds oil from the pan to the oil distribution system by means of a network of passages, tubes, grooves and holes leading to the engine bearings and other surfaces needing pressurized oil for lubrication. Other parts, like the overhead valve system, receive a carefully controlled quantity of non-pressurized oil through splashing or spray. In addition to lubricating and cooling engine parts, motor oil must allow easy starting, protect the engine from corrosion and oxidation, keep the engine clean, form a tight seal between piston rings and cylinder walls and help the engine use fuel efficiently. In days gone by motor oil was made from the throwaway byproducts of a barrel of crude oil after everything useful was taken from it. In those early days the filter, if you had one at all, was a by-pass type, filtering only a small percentage of the oil. In some instance the filter was little more than a screen and the oil was changed every five hundred or thousand miles. (Some of us recall grandpa's stories of tires needing to be changed on every trip to town, the idea of longevity being somewhat foreign back then.) As cars and their engines became more sophisticated, so too the requirements of a lubricant became increasingly demanding. In the 1960's jet fighter pilots and their mechanics were becoming aware of the advantages of synthetic oils, and a few of them experimented with the notion of synthetic lubrication for automobiles. One of these pilots, Lt. Colonel Albert J. Amatuzio, went further than the haphazard experiments of his peers. His ten year quest resulted in the development of AMSOIL, the first automotive synthetic motor oil to exceed the certification requirements of the American Petroleum Institute (API). SYNTHETIC VS. CONVENTIONAL PETROLEUM Conventional lubricants are refined from crude oil which has thousands of types of molecules. Refining is a process of physically separating the impurities from the oil and further separating the light and heavy components. Because refining separates products by weight, it groups molecules of similar weight and dissimilar structure. The result is a lubricant with a wide assortment of molecules. Some of the substances in crude oil are detrimental to lubrication. Paraffins, for example, are a common conventional oil contaminant that causes motor oil to thicken in cold temperatures. Synthetic motor oils are made from pure chemicals, not refined crude. Their components are chemically reacted to produce finished products with pre-designed performance characteristics. Because of their molecular uniformity, they excel in reducing friction, which improves fuel efficiency, controls heat and reduces wear. This molecular uniformity also helps synthetics resist thinning in hot temperatures and thickening in cold. Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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