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AndrewM
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2/12/2003
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I looked at the Tundra Access Cab before I purchased my 02 Dakota Quad Cab. The Dakota had a lot more room in the back than the Tundra. It was also about $4,000 less than the Tundra as well.
Now, Toyota has released the 2004 Tundra Double Cab. That is one fine truck. My guess is the truck in the photos is at least $35k, however.
<a href="http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=604&thumb=1">2004 Tundra Double Cab</a>
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AndrewM
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2/12/2003
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hmmm, HTML no worky.
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modain
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Just copy the stuff between the quotes and paste it into your browser's address/location box, it'll work fine.
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Mr.Sleepy
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2/17/2003
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Remember Pearl Harbor? Buy American... the only thing you should give the Japs is a middle finger!
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Texas Todd
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2/17/2003
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an optional 4.7L v8, DOHC, 4valves per cylinder,
I"m thinking 'all right' finally a high tech, HP engine!
Then I see-240HP, WTF!
It's got rear drums, like my 01 QC!
An engine with DOHC, 32valve, should be laying down at least 80-100 more HP than that!
Personally, I'm dissappointed, in the #'s.
Nice truck though, probably very relaible also.
Now, with my QC, 4.7, 5spd, HO cams, and other minor mods to my engine, I won't think twice about trying to run one of these if the conditions (low traffic) are right! It's heavier too.
Overall, nice truck,
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Hypocrite
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2/17/2003
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"Remember Pearl Harbor? Buy American... the only thing you should give the Japs is a middle finger!"
I'm a little young, so I don't remember it, but a quick check of my history books proved quite interesting. The event to which you refer was when one nation made a pre-emptive attack on a rival military power in hopes of securing control of a steady petroleum supply.
Sound familiar?
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Hypocrite
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2/17/2003
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http://www.counterpunch.org/pearlharbor.html
Not the kind of revisionist history you were taught in 7th grade, is it?
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KovzR6
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2/17/2003
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i work for a company that make parts for toyota, mazda, and nissan. so i get a really good discount with those makers. and i still bought a dakota!!!!!!!!!!!
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TIM
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2/17/2003
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but they are made in america people will say. but i dont care all that means is that they are too cheap to pay the import fees. i drove one once had to buy a converter so the radio would play american music JUST KIDDING I WOULD NEVER DRIVE OR RIDE ANYTHING JAPANESE
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The Dude
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2/17/2003
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I always thought the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in hopes of crippling our Pacific fleet so they could wrap things up in China while we struggled to recover, as a fleet of ships is not easily replaced. They felt war was inevitable and decided to kick things off with a bang. Militarily it was a brilliantly planned attacked that failed to achieve its goal for two reasons. One, we already had newer, faster, more powerful ships being built at the time of attack, and two, none of our aircraft carriers were destroyed because none were present duruing the attack. Thanks though, I'll stick to real history and not your scewed left wing hippie liberal website that goes back in time and bends history to fit a current situation.
As for a preemptive strike in Iraq...sorry but I fail to see the connection. First of all, we're basically broadcasting our battle plans across the radio and TV, so I'm pretty sure Iraq has an idea of what's coming. As far as grabbing their oil. If we wanted it, we could have grabbed it back in '91. Or perhaps it doesnt matter because we get more oil from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela each, than we do from the Middle East.
As far as the whole "Buy American" idea, sorry but, 1983 called and wants their mentality back. If you want to buy American and American only, say goodbye to your TV, stereo, computer, printer, alarm clock, tools, and just about anything else you can get your hands are, cause chances are that it has foreign components in it. But hey, that's life.
And yes, Toyota's 4.7 V8 is depressingly underpowered. I chalk it up to DOHC, which don't seem the make the low end torque of a good 'ol pushrod engine. Same goes for the 4.7 V8 in my QC, the latter being SOHC of course.
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McCracken
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2/18/2003
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Actually Dude, Hypocrite does pretty much have Japan's motivation right on, even though counterpunch suks @ss. You seem to suggest they attacked to keep the Japanese out of China. I'm sorry, but if the U.S. wasn't coming to the aid of the UK, they sure as heck weren't going to help China. Fact is, Japan was trying to gain a much larger regional influence, and oil was a big part of it. And although it isn't identical to the current situation, there are some similarities.
You are right on about buying American, though. It's an antiquated idea that is thouroghly discredited by about the second week of Econ101. Protectionism helps nobody besides the big businesses that protoectionism-spouting liberals despise.
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The Dude
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2/18/2003
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Actually, I was trying to get at Japan didn't want to start a two-front war with the entire American Pacific Fleet, so they crippled it so they didn't have to worry about (for the short run until we built more ships). But yeah, I mean obviously America was very isolationist back then and definitely didn't want direct involvement and was content sending supplies and such (along with a few men...Eagle Squadron...Flying Tigers) to the British and a few other allies. But I was mainly talking about Japan, and not the U.S. I had just never heard that the attack was about all about oil. But I've always subscribed to the view that Japan viewed America's growing concerns with Japan's invasion of China and Japan's own military build-up (especially around the Philipines) as hostile intentions, so they figured war with the U.S. was inevitable because we weren't happy with their actions, and they decided to strike first.
Wasn't the U.S. oil embargo in part due to the above (U.S. felt that Japan was growing to strong and too agressive, especially in China)? Wasn't there also an embargo of like, steel, or something as well. Seeing is how the bombs they used were made with U.S. steel and blah blah, I'm sure the list goes on.
Then again, it's pretty damn late, and I hope the above shows some semblence of intelligent thought.
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Texas Todd
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2/18/2003
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All good views,
but we were talking about the Tundra Quad,
I had commented that for a seemingly much higher tech engine, (well, not that much), the DOHC doesn't put out much of anything more, if not the same.
I guess it just shows how the SOHC Chrysler 4.7L, is really putting out some great numbers!
Most of us seem to forget that when all the 4.7 vs. 5.9 bickering starts, that we are comparing apples to oranges in displacement. Toyota vs DC's 4.7, is the same displacement, and hence the comment I made that it SHOULD be putting out more thatn it is. Which leaves open the door for aftermarket parts making BIG gains!
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Billy
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2/18/2003
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100% of the Toyota Tundra's are built right here in the USA.
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The Dude
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2/18/2003
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Does the Toyota 4.7 V8 have that vvTi feature? That could be one reason for the slightly higher numbers.
And yes, the Toyota Tundra is not built or sold in Japan.
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Texas Todd
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2/18/2003
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Dude,
Slightly higher numbers?
It's virtually the same #'s as DC's 4.7,
BUT,
It has 2 more cams, and 16 more valves!
It should have MUCH more output! I think there are alot more ponies sleeping in that engine!
And maybe I didn't understand the website, but,
it looked as though it was only offered with the auto 8^(
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The Dude
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Yes, Texas Todd, virtually the same, but slightly higher. =) Does anyone happen to know where max HP and TQ occure? VVTi?
And I never really bought into the whole, DOHC is always better thing. Look at the new Hemi. It's pushrod and 2 valves/cylinder and it makes ~1HP per Cube.
And perhaps the DC 4.7 is just better engineered, regardless of having less valves etc. I know it scoots around my QC just fine.
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03QC
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3/06/2003
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Never really see the point to bashing "foreign" automakers when we are all supporting a very GERMAN company! Don't get me wrong I love mein Dodge but cmon refrencing pearl harbor and the tundra is like refrencing the Dak and Auschwitz
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rockgod
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3/06/2003
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03qc...that was clever and funny...rare combo!
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Demon Dakota
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The Tundra is much better in the emissions department...but that's it. It has a bit more TQ and has way more potential than our engine, and maybe TRD will back it up (they already have a good S/C setup warrantied by Toyota).
K&N Drop in AF (CAI during summer months)
True Dual exhaust and removed third cat
HO Cams & HO Intake
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14.52@94.2 MPH at Silver Dollar Raceway
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dkpta_rt
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3/07/2003
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Don't buy "Jap Crap"!!!!
Our U.S, Economy and American neighbors need the financial backing. I give credit to the Japs for raising the bar on quality, but please keep the $$ in the U.S.. I admit that Toyota makes a great product, but consider the damage done to the U.S. when you buy it. I know a lot of people will say "Toyota's, etc. are now being produced in the U.S.", however, I want people to think of where your money is really going. The Japs are getting the benefit.
Think of it this way. If we make a concious effort to buy only, or in the case of vehicles, mostly produced U.S. goods, then it will benefit us all. The basic economic principle comes back to what is known as the "economic circular flow diagram". Keep the money flowing within the U.S. market place and we will see first hand the benefits of a stronger economy and thereby increasing the value of our $$ worldwide.
Japan, China, and Mexico are taking our $$ out of our hands every day and we are paying the price in huge trade deficits. Stop demanding their goods and we Americans will all be much happier.
That concludes my basic economic lesson of "Why not to buy a Toyota".
John -
M.B.A., Embry Riddle Aeronautical University
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Jas01dakon
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3/07/2003
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Um, like 03QC pointed out, Dodge is a wholey owned subsidiary of DaimlerChrysler Gmbh, a very German company with world headquarters in Stuttgart, Germany.
Toyota employs 20,000 people in 12 plants in the North America. The Tacoma truck beds, steering columns, and stamped parts, catalytic converters, coated substrates, after-market truck bed components are built in Long Beach, CA. The engines aremade in Georgetown, KY. The trucks are assembled in Fremont, CA and Tijuana, Mexico.
Tundras are built in San Antonio, TX. Your bigoted and racist arguments really show what a bunch of redneck dumbfuks some of you are.
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The Dude
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dkpta_rt, you are an uninformed racist. You have an M.B.A.? I'm guessing it's not in anything even remotely related to economics. I'm an econ major that is still in college and I can tell you that what you just wrote (racial slurs notwithstanding) was the stupidist thing I've ever heard. Good God, man. Take econ101 and you'll learn what you just wrote doesn't fly.
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Steve-o
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3/07/2003
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I agree with the posts like Jas01dakon's post. Yeah, Toyota may be a non-US company, but when the vehicle is made in the US, we get a bunch of financial benifits.
Think about it...
Americans build the parts (or some)
Americans ship the parts
Americans put together the parts
Americans ship the finished vehicles
Americans stock dealership lots
Americans buy vehicles off of the dealerships
Americans perform the auto work
Even if the vehicle is produced outside of the US, there are several stages that the vehicle goes through that allow Americans to benift. I am a computer programmer for a major east coast railway. Our second biggest moneymaker is shipping automobiles. And with coal demands falling, it will soon become our biggest moneymaker. And we're a Fortune 500 company. So don't just assume that if it's not 100% American, that no Americans will benifit.
I realize that some people can be very closed minded. Do us all a favor and read AndrewM's original post. I don't seem to remember him saying anything about it being a "Jap car." He was simply sharing information on the Tundra. Why don't we all just shut up and continue talking about the Tundra or let this thread fade off down the list. OK?
Steve
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Uzombie
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Folks,
Heated subject. Wow.
My $.02 and coming from a current T100 owner:
-America does market/sell raw materials.
-Irony is we buy the finished goods of the raw materials we sell.
Its a global economy now. Diversification. Labor.
Why build an auto with local materials, local labor (unions) and local ideas, when its cheaper (ahem profitable) to have another place do it for less? Would you rather make $5 on a $7 ebay sale, or $59 on a $70 ebay sale? Think of the money we make on import tariffs? And there are jobs in Kentucky, Texas, Indiana that would never have been without Honda, USA; Toyota USA; Mazda USA...
Anyway, I am thinking of ditching the T100 for the 4-door Tundra. A Google search brought me here. I had rented a Dodge Durango two weeks ago and let me say this: its quick, its quicker to drink fuel (the gauge takes 15 gals to reach 1/2 then 4 to get to E?), and the seats are the prescription to back specialist!(The Durango sux)
But not every Toyota (they do a spin to keep it quiet) is solid. Granted, its better than the problematic C1500 and U150(Bronco) I had, but its underpowered (see the 3.4Ltr), Toyota does this for reliability. But its transmission gearing is too low for performance also. And add the TRD supercharger (to the 4.7ltr) and its performance gain is at a +$4K price tag. Plus, the S/C retards the performance till 3rd gear, otherwise 365HP would shred that power-metal made transmission and transfer case.
And look at the arrogance with the warranty. 3years/36K! The dealership say "oh, the average driver does 12K/yr". Funny, Ford's top brass defended the Firestone fiasco and stated that the average driver puts "15-20K miles/year". So where does a warranty justify 1.5 years??? And Toyota's have such a great rep (ha-T100 is abortion of Tacoma parts) that why not offer a 5yr/75K mile warranty?
BTW, my friend's V6 Dakota has better power than my T100. Too bad the seats kill me...
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ZZ
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5/27/2003
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Who cares about the Tundra anyway? The new NISSAN TITAN will have a 5.6 liter V8 and tons of horsepower AND torque. Coming to your local NISSAN dealer this fall. Made in America by Americans.
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sublimeman
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First off, you're all talking about Japanese quality like it's even on the same playing field as Domestic. Quality names like Mercury, Pontiac, Geo and Plymouth further validate this point.
Sorry to burst your nationalistic bubble guys, but your country makes some disgusting stuff in terms of automobiles. I've owned Dodges and Chevys in the past, and theres no comparison. I need not mention Ford because everyone knows how pathetic their build quality is.
The reason you pay more for the toyota, is because the transmission isn't going to fall out of it 3 weeks after you buy it like my buddy's $60,000CDN 3500 cummins dodge. Jap vehicles last forever, and thats why they're worth it.
The GMC and Ram trucks might have a few more horsepower, but they also weigh twice as much. Nothing American blasts down a highway, shifts, or corners like a V8 tundra. I used to drive a loaded '99 tahoe LT and I had to take it in 9 times in the first year on warranty visits. the freakin thing cost me 50 grand. (like 38 american)
Apples to oranges? No s__+. In my family there's my 2000 Tundra, a 2003 highlander, a 2002 protege and a 2001 civic, and all of them will outlast a "denali" or something equally overpriced and disgustingly underbuilt.
As for Pearl Harbour, America provoked the attack by placing embargoes and tariff walls on Japanese goods, devastating their economy, following Japan's resignation from the League of Nations. As one of you mentioned before, the attack was meant to cripple the pacific fleet in order to expand the japanese empire, not necessarily China, but other areas certainly.
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wrong subman my 92 toy camry trans lasted 42k with a 4banger and toy said ah so sarry you need buy new trans i said ah so sarry see you in court. they put in new trans after letter from my lawyer and i said bye bye toy cars i only buy real cars
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sublimeman
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You mean to say you only buy "crappy" cars. And whooooo's the only nation who still puts cast-iron engines in their cars? If you want to go back to the stone age, go ahead and buy a chevy. There's lemons in every model series of every company, but they're far less frequent in jap cars. And I dont need to defend that statement, go look up any customer satisfaction comparison / shop visit survey with domestics and imports.
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sublimeman
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You mean to say you only buy "crappy" cars. Every make and series has its lemons, but you can look at any shop visit poll, or customer satisfaction survey with domestics versus jap imports and they will all favor the "toy" cars.
You criticize the Tundra's rear drum brakes, even though it has a shorter stopping distance than any half-ton from the big three. I agree it should have discs, but it's not like the truck cant stop.
And that Nissan fullsize isn't gonna be that spectacular. First off, it looks like a maxima with the ass end sliced off and a box put in its place. Secondly, Nissan is the only import automaker to (as of August 2003) still build vehicles in Mexico. Nothing says quality like the burrito Jose forgot in the intake manifold.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Tundra the only full size with a 5 star crash rating as well? If half you people drove the cars you're bashing instead of forming your opinions on the Rice-Law mentality of 1920's America, boards like this would be a lot more informative.
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sublimeman
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and yes i am aware i posted the same message twice, thought the first one didnt go through.
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