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figitdotcom
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2/08/2003
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man I keep hearing all this crap about 4.7 vs 5.2 vs 5.9 etc ... why dont those that wanted power/handling and went with an R/T because thats where it's at, those that wanted 4x4 went with a 4.7/5.2 and thats that .. I mean really, nobody brings it up but every dak non rt owner that I know that isnt into slinging mud wants an r/t because they are FARM BREAD BEASTS .. not ho monkeys, the adventure has JUST started with a 360 ... know what I mean? be real guys.. what is the purpose of an r/t, to make the guys with the 4.7/5.2's feel like the have something to prove because they got a good deal at the lot?? good, it's almost ricer logic ...
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figitdotcom
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2/08/2003
02:11:19
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but ahhh thats right, it's commodore... be truthful though so those that want power/performance are led into the 318 trap.
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2/08/2003
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do what?speak english!
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sandman
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2/08/2003
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The RT is not that much faster then reg cab dak with manual trans, 3.92 rear end and 4.7. The R/T is not a lightning !!!! I could see all the hype if the performance was really their but it's not. The R/T would have to have at least 400HP from the factory;grab .95-1G on a skid pad and stop atleast 30% quicker then a stock Dak for me to take it real seriosly. The truck does not handle that much better or stop any better then a regular Dak. To add insult to injury they can not tow as much or hual as much in the bed. I fail to see where they are so hot! I will agree that the 360 has alot of after market potential but it is trully hampered by the stock ECM and even the Mopar ECM is limiting. They need to offer a super charged 5.7 in the Dak with a multi link or independent rear sus. and 4 piston non-slideing calipers at all four wheel with the transmission that they use behind the diesels reprogramed for performance! That I would take seriously as an R/T anything less and they are just insulting the moniker R/T!!!! No Power envy here been their done that!!! I just wish DC would remember their roots and build some serious performance vechiles that can be afforded by working men.
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figitdotcom
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2/08/2003
10:41:05
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it's not just rt vs the others though, I mean even guys with or w/o 4x4 are at each others throats "I'm glad mine is 2wd, 4x4 would just slow me down on the street and 4x4 is for people who dont know how to drive" or "My 4x4 could tow your 2x4 through a pit of jello" etc. when I was down south I had a piece of crap chevy ck 1500 2x4 and I'd be the FIRST to admit that if I had more funds I would have loved to be in a 4x4 and when I test drove a few daks before I decided on my r/t cc I bought it because it just pulled harder, handled better and suited my needs better which was to have a functional vehicle that I could fit a child seat in that would haul a$$. I'm not saying there aren't better rides out there and your right, it's surely NOT a lightning but thats not what I'm talking about because we all know that if you pick up a new r/t and drop 5k into it, it would beat a new lightning and you'd still save money over the new lightning. If I didn't have the money for my truck I'd be rolling around in one of the other meto v8's giving props to the guys in the rt's. It took me 3 months to find my truck and I had to go out of state to get it, people just aren't letting them go and if they are they are padding there price because they know at any givin time there are never more than 1 or 2 r/t's for sale locally. So anyhow I was about 3 days from getting into a 5.2 because I thought I'd have to settle, then I found mine so I know half the people on this board who dont have an r/t and are street modding wished they did but they rally behind the masses and then have this bitc attitude about it. sorry for venting, I've never taken part in the this vs. that posts but its getting to be too much, each person has their vehicle for certain reasons be it preference, money, functionality etc. so why not just leave it at that and, grab your nutz here this is a big one guys... try giving some props to someone who doesn't have the same exact truck as you!
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2/08/2003
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Personally I dont care. I got my dakota with a 4.7 cause I felt it had the best pick up out of all the motors dakotas came with. I drove the RT. I liked the way the RT looked ( lowered and rims)but I needed something that can tow over 2000 pounds. I didnt really care about the qt mile performance. Its a truck after all. I was more intrested in towing and load capacity
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Joe
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2/08/2003
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I think figit just realized he was a sucker to buy an R/T, and is trying to make himself feel better now. I feel sorry for him. Just like I feel sorry for other R/T owners that try to race me and I whoop them badly with my 318.
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2/08/2003
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Obviously yer not stock , Joe.
All it takes is money. Theres plenty of R/Ts that would make you a distant memory.
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figitdotcom
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2/08/2003
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nah' not at all joe, I for sure wouldn't go any other way. It would take 3k+ just to make any other model simply handle as well as the r/t... as far as under the hood goes rt's roll off the lot stronger and dollar for dollar you get more out of each upgrade on the 360's with the exception of a few specialized parts. I'm in DE right now and we just got 7 inches of snow so you know what I'm driving this weekend? ... my wifes tiny jelly-belly car, a 02 jetta because my obviously rwd truck with it's lowpro nitto's bites balls in the snow/ice so there are some hefty fallbacks to going with an R/T over a more robust sport or slt and thats obvious! All I'm saying is stay in your realm of solid extremely well-rounded trucks, not point a to point b speed/agility ace's like the STOCK r/t is (in the pickup category). Now if you decide to pursue a more streamlined agressive stanced machine cool ... more power to you just dont sit there thinking you can drop 1k into it and suddernly your the secret 4.7/5.2 weapon that r/t's can't touch hehe.
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2/08/2003
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figit,
I hear ya. I've never been down on an R/T. I opted for the 4.7, mainly b/c I needed a Quad cab(family car), and I always drive a manual tranny.
I've been real glad I ordered mine the way I got it.
I"m sure gor the reasons that suit you better, You're happy with your R/T also.
With such an extensive search, id you buy it used or new? Couldn't you just order one? Sorry for my stupidity about the availability of R/T's, and they do look good stock.
01,QC, 4.7, 5spdmanual, HO cams, Ported 68mmTB, Homebrew air intake, AIT adjuster(turned off,oh well), no belt clutch/fan, 2-tone paint, OEM fenderflares, LSD, tire and handling pack, trailer towing and HD service group, SLT int., Infinity sound, Leer shell,
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figitdotcom
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2/08/2003
15:34:31
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hey Todd,
yeah I got it used, had 52k miles and in pristine shape for 13,200 about 5 months ago. I had a 02' Jeep grand cherokee but with a house and baby on the way I needed something cheaper yet still fun so new R/T wasn't an option. My payments now are 290 and my insurance actually went down, I work 5 minutes away so gas isn't an issue so it's perfect for me. I just got paid for a freelance gig so I purchased a used powerdyne sc complete with msd, guages, the whole shibang for 1900, the guy is trading his R/T in on an suv so yeah it's shipping monday so right when I get it I'm going to send it off to sam at poerdyne for a lookover then install it, should be great.
Anyhow, I had to go to MD to get my truck. There was only one here in northern DE, a 99' and they wanted 16 for it and it had been modded a bit. Mine is solid black but I do wish it were two-tone maybe had the charcoal grey trim like the slt's I'm not big into chrome though but I do dig the trim they wrap on them.
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Joey
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2/08/2003
16:52:25
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u guys dont get it... the r/t is the fastest dodge pickup built today and the 5.9 has more performance parts than any other dodge engine so this means stock its the fastest and modified its the fastest and not to mention it handles better than any other dodge truck made. this is why its the LIMITED EDITION R/T.
2002 R/T Regular Cab, headers, k&n intake, no cats.
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Buzz
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2/08/2003
16:52:55
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3k to out handle as well as an R/T.... Drugs... would like any R/T owner to bring it... I have R/T wheels, Hotchkis suspension w/ bilstein shocks... have $1000 in susupension... got wheels in a trade, tires don't count... everyone has to buy them... put it on a skid pad and see who comes out on top... 3k my A$$... and for a whole so now I have 2k left over from the anti r/t fund... hmm.. got my supercharger...(granted got a great deal) so a 318 with hotchkis suspension and a KB supercharger... any R/T's want to go to the track???? although I am building a nice 360 right now.. but that won't count.. and think of all the $$$ I have saved on insurance not having that R/T on the vin #.
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figitdotcom
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2/08/2003
17:01:00
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Buzz you were very fortunate to cleanly trade your wheels for r/t wheels and yes tires do count... your not going to nail corners on the stock blimps and your grossly wrong about your insurance estimate, I pay less insurance than if I was rolling around in a 4x4 slt, 89/month to be exact and I have a slightly smudged traffic record heh. My powerdyne sc will be on in 3 weeks, other than that I've spent far less on my other upgrades (52mm tb, gibson catback, jba wires) than you have on simply handling well and yes I'd love to meet you at the track. Good move getting the r/t rims, if you can hang with me I'll give you a set of r/t decals and you'll be all set.
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Buzz
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2/08/2003
17:12:37
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lol.. decals... where are you at... I am trying to find a nice autocross track around So.Cal... When I got my truck I was 17 and the insurance on an R/T was like 800/yr more for me.. that was my justification... I got the r/t wheels from a friend that lifted his (don't ask) and I helped him build it. I would love to get a few of us to a track.. no flaming... just a good time.. I need some better brakes for the track though, even with the rear disc it still sucks... probably Viper discs in the future... I think if I do go to a track I am going to bring the M3 unless it is a definate truck day... the car is so much more fun.
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figitdotcom
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2/08/2003
17:48:08
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yeah I pretty much hate how they shafted us with rear drums and weak rotors. I want to get a set of stillen rotors once the pads I have on now squeal to death. I just kind of gave up though, they squeel sometimes but I can't bring myself to dumping 250+ on a new setup when theres sooooo much more I neeeeeed heh
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Buzz
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2/08/2003
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I picked up a full set of SSBC rotors and a rear disc conversion when I found the durango drivetrain that I got my 360 from... made out on that deal really well. The rear disc helps the front pad life a lot... but still nothing special... $750 for the viper brakes is a deal.. it's the $750 for the stupid adaptors that I can't bring my self to terms with... I am going to attempt to make my own... start with a block of 4130 and in a few hours have a pyle of metal shavings, a smoking mill, and a truck that will stop.
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Hersbird
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2/08/2003
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Buzz just because you traded for the rims they still had a value, and what do you mean everybody has to buy tires? The R/T's actually come standard with tires so I'm not sue what you are talking about. So basically you have $2000 in suspension mods (still a savings though for the better Hotchkis). Did you get the bigger sway bars or are you running stock? (and stock RC's don't come with a rear bar like the stock RC R/T does so that's even a bigger expense.) I autocrossed my pure stock R/T and did much better then I expected. The only 2 cars that were stock like me that could hang was a Trubo Saab (which was only .3 sec faster on a 1:15 course) and a WRX that ran 3 sec faster with a much more experienced driver. Ohter stock stuff I easilly beat were 3 v-8 mustangs from various years, a SVT Conture, a Jetta, an older golf GTI, and a grand am. Everything else was running lots of mods and usually dedicated autocross tires. Still some of that stuff was aweful close to my times! My insurance is $52 a month for full coverage $500 deductible and triple liability. Then again I have a good record and a married 33 year old with mulitple cars and a homeowner discount. Also Farmers insurance lumps all V-8 2wd Dakotas into the same rate, so nobody saves money on a 4.7 Sport at this company. I also was looking at the 4.7 5-speed setup before buying my R/T, thought I could save some money, but after adding up things I wanted to do to the Sport (where I've done basically nothing to the R/T and been happy) the savings weren't that great. Also after checking out how sitting in the middle of a RC sport with a manual would be a nightmare with the stick I fugured I had to get a CC 4.7 5speed if I wanted to be able to sit 3. Although with the automatic my daughter could have sat comfortably in the middle on the RC. The problem there ended up being I found a used R/T rather then a new one, and the used one had the buckets. I figured I would swap out for a bench but then ended up never needing that extra seat anyway, so I probably would have been happy with a RC 4.7 5speed as well. Now that o'm selling it for a Ram I'm sure glad I have the R/T. It's hard enough selling a 2wd in Montana, but a 2wd stick w/o the famous R/T badge would be even worse I'm sure. This is always a strange argument to me, both are great trucks as would be a 4x4 quad cab, or a custom 2wd Quad with a 500 ci Hemi like the Hot Rad truck. At least they are all Dodges! My next truck is a 2wd Quad Cab Ram sport with the new Hemi. No way it will handle like the R/T and with 1000 pounds more weight it will probably be a little slower. But it will fit the family and the dog and tow a big camper while looking good and being deceintly fast. If they don't make the next Dakota as big as they plan to, and do end up dropping the Hemi in there this argument will be done. With our lucj they will put the Hemi in the 2005 Dakota but it will be so heavy that the time end up being similar to the v-8 5speed trucks and the current R/T's, then this will be a 3-way argument!
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Buzz
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2/09/2003
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I have the full TVS kit... springs, swaybars, poly bushings, end links, and bilstein shocks... $1000 w/shocks... 4 Nitto NT450 275/50/17 $500.00 And what I mean by everyone needs tires... my wheels came with tires on them.. but the stock goodyears are crap so I immediately change to the nitto's... any it corners like a beast...
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sandman
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2/09/2003
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What I am saying is that R/T is more HYPE then performance. What does a stock R/T do on the skid pad, what is it's brakeing distance from 60-0, what are it's stock 1/4 mile times???? Now compare these same times to reg cab, 3.92, 4.7 manual trans and maybe throw in the tire and handeling package. What is the price difference??? Seeing how it is a truck how much can it hual,tow, what about ground clearance. The why I figure it if it is not going to do truck things wells it ought to be able to dominate the performance field a bit more!! How does it compare to a Typhon? What about a Toyota S-Runner? If you open the performance door then should we compare it to cars in the same price range? IF you get a lighting you get a warranty if you force feed or bottle feed you Dak you pretty much lose power train warranty, I am sure that hotchiss set up would pretty much void suspension warranty! Historicaly the 360 was never that hot of a motor back when performance came stock from the factory. The hot Mopars had 340,440 or 426!!! If you have never driven a Dart Swinger with a pre emmison 340 in it you are missing out! I have 4x4 Quad Cab so acceleration and lateral acceleration performance was not my main concern!! I just think all of the hot air hype is silly. I could car less how much potential a package has! I want to know what you get from the factory for that extra coin!! The way I see it you get an engine design that still has 30+ year old problems, guzzels gas, has a tranny that needs frequent adjustments and truck that sits to high to handle well but too low to do any off roading and can not tow or hual much. To add insult to injury you get charged a premium for all of this!! No thanks!! Heck one guy here has to drive a Jetta for crying out load when the snow flys!!! To be honest I have alwas thought the idea of a sports truck like the Lightning was kind of silly too. The difference though is that the Lightning actualy has performance out of the box and dominates all over factory stock trucks in the 1/4 etc......... I do not like anything done half A$$! Dodge needs to do this right pretty soon the SSR will be ought and then you will be getting you buts kicked by stock lightnings and SSR!!! Their is nothing wrong with anyone one wanting one I just do not think that the marginal return is their. I want Dodge to build a real sports enthuisit truck!!!
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Buzz
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2/09/2003
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I agree... My truck is just as fast as an R/T and will out handle one on a track anyday.. a stock r/t will pull about .89g on a skid pad... I think with the full Hotchkis kit it is around .97-.99 depending on tires and geometry... if it had a viper disc kit, a supercharger, and handled exceptionally well it would be worth the $$$... but now you can get a hemi ram for the same price... not even a hard decision.. I love the looks of the R/T but for the crap gas mileage you get I would like more power... heck a lightning will get 14-18 in realistic driving... most r/t's get 13.5-15.... if it had 400hp that would be understandable, but with 250 it is just stupid.
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Ian
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2/09/2003
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well said Sandman...articulate and irrefutable, I love my dodge but those folks at Mopar have to be embarrassed about how an R/T stacks up to the lightning. What they need to do is throw in the R/T either the 4.7 H.O. with a supercharger, the 5.7, or the 5.7 supercharged (G-d, imagine that in a dak)now we're talking!
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figitdotcom
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2/09/2003
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and here we go kids
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Lew360
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I have a little problem with some of the info. put out here. If you really believe the SSR is going to kick a stock RC R/T's butt you need to put the crack pipe down. Here is a write up Car and Driver did on the production version http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/previews/2002/october/0210_preview_ssr.xml?&keywords=ssr&page=2 .With a base MSRP of $41,995 I expect more than a 290HP 5.3 Vortec that does the 1/4 in 16.0@90mph. Now I'm no math wiz but stock RC R/T's are high 14 to low 15 at around 92 to 93 MPH and CC is low 15 to mid 15, that seems a little quicker to me. Now with the extra $17,000 I can have a RC R/T that will make the SSR look like a 4 cylinder S-10.
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IntenseDak39
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2/09/2003
10:35:38
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"those folks at Mopar have to be embarrassed about how an R/T stacks up to the lightning"
i dont think that DC made the RT to compete with the Lightning... thats why it cost $8,000 less and 130 hp less. I am sure that job will be taken by the SRT-10.
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sandman
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2/09/2003
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Well that is nice how long till we can buy a SRT-10?????? All the idiots at DC have to do is redesign the front and rear suspenion, stick a Super Charged 5.7 under the hood the beefy trany used behind the diesel and viper brakes on the thing!!! Nothing tricky their heck even a non super charged 5.7 would be a huge step up!!!! They could use all off the shelf parts and have a winner! The SRT-10 is a pipe dream that will never see production!!! Mopar power people are on their A$$. I can get parts for GM new ecotec already to build it into a 675HP 2.2 liter 4cylinder already from the GM performance parts catalog. Race preped aluminum block, 3 diferent piston and rods sets, 3 different ring sets, a forged nitried crank, nuetral ballance shaft for high rpm work, still rings and coper gaskets that match the race preped heads and block, cam blanks, performance cams, custom made intake with LT1 throtle body provisions, factory super charger kit and on and on and on.... but I can not get any true HP parts for my 4.7liter from Mopar. If you have a 3.7V6 their is even less for you. I thought MOPAR was about performance and raceing!!!! Luckily I am not in to this anymore but alot of the people on this board are and DC is really ignoreing a huge market.
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Hersbird
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If you look at the history of the Ligtning I'm sure that the reason put a supercharger on it a few years back is because of the Dakota. They have made the Lightning a long time, and it used to be the joke because a regualar V-8 Dakota would beat it for less money. Then the R/T came out and made the L just look silly. Finally they had to strap a supercharger to the thing and bump the price another $5000 to beat it. The L hasn't been top dog for that long, and now we see Dodge upping the antie. The SRT-10 will be out soon (3 months tops, definately not a pipe dream from the pictures at PVO) and the SRT-8 Dakota will be here in a few more years. In 2000 your could buy a Dakota R/T for as little as $17,000. IMO that's a ton of bang-for-the-buck. My R/T does all the truck things I need, even hunting and fishing. It will tow 6000+ pounds with $200 in rear spring mods. It's gets the same mileage around town my 4.0 Grand Cherokee got. I have autocrossed my R/T bone stock and I'm telling you it will hang with anything else out there that costs $17,000 new.
The 360 has a huge aftermarket to unleash the greatly corked up HP from the factory. If you think the 340 was the only good Mopar small block you are just wrong. What made the 340 good was that it was a pre-emmissions motor. The 340 from 72 on wasn't that great. Then in 74 they put the good heads and cam on the 360 and it made 5 more HP and 25 more ft-lbs of torque then the 340 of 73. Neither of those motors made as much power as the R/T 360 makes stock. The pre-emission 340's were rated on a different standard, but when their number are converted to modern standards the R/T 360 makes equal HP to the 340 but more torque. The only 340 that made more HP was the 70 340-6 pac, and even that one made less torque.
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notchlx
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2/10/2003
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These flames will go on,forever. It's like sitting around the TV on Sunday arguing about who's team is going to win.
I ended up getting the reg. cab 4.7 5-spd 3:92 combo.
I would have gotten the R/T, if it had a 5-spd behind it, simply because of cubes.
The handling of the R/T is superior to that of my SLT, but I didn't ever intend on autocrossing it. My likes are mostly straight line, and the occassional jaunt to the drag-strip. Sure the 4.7 is no street screamer, but neither is the R/T.
If you want to go fast, all you have to have is money.
Hell, look at Intense39's dakota. There's a dakota (V-6) that would lay the smack down on some 5.9's/5.2's/4.7's...and he's gotten away without breaking the piggy-bank.
I don't see why the arguing goes on. We all got our trucks for our specific desires.
I run at the track with guys who have 3.9's/5.2's/5.9's here locally. There's never any serious bickering about who's is superior. (of course next time out, I've got a suprise for my 5.2 5-spd buddy);) It's all in good fun.
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2/10/2003
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I find it very amusing how everyone seems to compare thier "modded" Sport and SLT Dakotas to "stock" R/T's. Bottom line is,RTs are faster stock vs. stock,and mod for mod,not to mention,look 10 times better. Who gives a sh*t what a 4.7 with $10,000 in mods can do to a stock RT. Aren't we all driving pretty much the same trucks here? I can't tell you how many 4.7 Dakotas I've come across who ALWAYS act like they have something to prove.Yet,the only thing they prove is how incredibly ignorant/stupid they are,time and time again...
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ME 111
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2/10/2003
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Quite frankly speaking...there is an A$$ for EVERY seat. Be it a DAK(SLT, 4X4, R/T, whatever) or something else...just doesn't make a damn.
The owner is the only one that need be content with what he/she drives. I got what I wanted and it fits my needs more than adequately. If my needs change, then I will adjust accordingly. Nuff said...move on people.
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Ryan
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2/10/2003
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Hey, guys just to chime in though, there is no replacement for displacement.....I believe thats the old saying. Unless of course its a hemi!!
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