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yates-in-DE
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1/09/2003
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I THINK THIS IS TOTAL BULL SHEET. I know if this was me and my Family, and the Tennesee Highway Patrol Shot my dog in a bull sheet stop, i would not only sue the State, I would have charges brought against the officer for Animal Cruelty, which Carries a 5-10 year sentance. This is Comunisim at it's height. I think that we the people need to say something abought this one. Post any comments you have and let the State of Tennesee know how bad we feel for this Family having to watch one of their children Die at the hands of an Over Bearing, Egotistical. Self Centered Basturd.
News article of Cops Gone Mad
Man I feel Sorry for these people. To first be humiliated and handcuffed, on their knees along side the roadway for absolutely nothing, and then with no way to defend them selves or their animals have to watch the Police shoot their beloved pet, which as in my family is like one of my children. IT'S BULL SHEET.
E-mail the TN Highway Patrol with your Comments At:
safety@mail.state.tn.us
Let's make a statement folks. Later,
Later,
Lynn
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Jesse T.
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1/09/2003
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I totaly agree, that is bs. The love someone has for the dog is real deep, that aint even cool at all!!! I would like to get my hands on that guy.
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Hurl
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2003
12:43:24
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Well, that story sure got my attention! I've sent an email to those bastards and forwarded the story to other people I know who care about animals.
Thank you for posting this
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Lab Rat
GenIII
1/09/2003
12:55:48
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Here's the home page of the a-holes:
http://www.state.tn.us/safety/thp/districtsix.htm
That is just sheer, utter bull$hit!!
LR
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Robbie
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2003
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Tennessee State Patrol are probably the worse I have encountered and I have driven from here in Atlanta to California numerous time so I've been pulled over quite a bit. One time on the way up to Oak Ridge, TN to see my grandparents, a TSP Officer pulled me over and gave me a ticket for 2mph over the speed limit... yeah, two.
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98FlameRdDak
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2003
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Isn't it gratifying to know that cops can actually play the GOD all mighty?
I hope that bastard cop gets his ass sued off, after all they have everything on video. I know that is isn't going to make up for what the family went through, but atleast that bastard won't be able to do it ever again.
Mark
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Welks
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2003
15:50:19
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Just one more reason why I hate cops. I hope they take his badge.
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The Dude
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2003
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If you hate all cops for this, or any other one incident, you are a moron, plain and simple. Or are you the same people that hate all blacks because one black person happened to wrong you? God forbit a black police officer, huh?
Anyway, for the most part I usually side with the police. However, the fact that this individual, who happens to be a police officer, can't tell the difference between an attacking pitbull and a little boxer sniffing around and wagging its tail is pretty dumb. It's sad, it's tragic, it's an outrage, but at least it wasn't a kid or something.
Unfortunately the police are human, and err as such. Of course, it doesn't help that when they do make a mistake lives can be lost and this is all a part of the stressful job, to which many of them are faithfully devoted to, that they have.
This guy however, I don't know. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes right now, that's for sure. Then again, if I was, I wouldn't have shot the dog.
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Lab Rat
GenIII
1/09/2003
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Just an FYI, it wasn't a THP trooper, but one of the Cookeville cops called in for backup.
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mddak
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2003
16:34:29
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check out the tennesse web site for a hand gun permit requirements. - seems pretty easy to carry in tennesse
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SureShot_Dak
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2003
16:40:23
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http://www.newschannel5.com/news/0301/08/dog.htm
here's a link to the news in my home town... they are filing a lawsuit... I would too.
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cobra090
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2003
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Definately unfortunate for that family to have to experience that kind of incident. However it could have been worse.... read on my friends. Cookville TN. is approx. 45 miles east of where I live. Approx. 6 miles east of here (Lebanon TN.) a man and his wife were stormed one night about a year ago by local police officers for a drug raid dressed in black ninja cop attire. When the officers broke thru the front door the man instinctively went for his gun, a right which we all have under the law to protect our family and property against intruders with the intent to cause us bodily harm. As the situation worsened the man was shot and killed by the police as his wife pleaded for mercy during the confusion.As you may have guessed by now the policemen had the wrong address! Needless to say the city officals settled out of court for an undisclosed sum of money, the officer was prosecuted and the wife still grieves for the unnecessary, needless, senseless loss of her husband. A tragedy indeed.
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Jesse T.
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2003
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It looks to me that this state needs to go under investigation, or that county of cops, I bet they have been gettting away with it for some time now.
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xplikt
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1/09/2003
17:23:31
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Don't let this situation ruin the reputation of most of law enforcement. My dad is an LEO and he think it's complete bull sh1t. That guy is just a dumb fuk who deserves the same fate as the dog.
-Mike
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FM18
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1/09/2003
18:06:29
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I im LEO too and am in total aggreement with you guys on this. I hope the bastard gets fired and thrown in jail too. It really p*sses me off when jerks like this Ahole come along. It ruins our reputations and makes us sick to our stomachs. I know accidents can happen under stress but this was no accident. I pitty the person that were ever to try to do that to my dog. I sent an email to the state to express these feelings. It really ticked me off today to find this out and I have been trying to find away to express my feelings on this. Please don't hold this again all LEO but you are welcome to hold it against this jerk. He deserves to get what is coming his way now! EEERRRRRRRRRR
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JamR/T
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2003
18:44:27
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If a person kills a police dog, isn't it the same as killing a cop? What's the difference here? That article pissed me off! So the next time I get a ticket for speeding, can I say I wasn't getting any satisfaction for going that fast? WHAT THE HECK!!!!!
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Tom
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1/09/2003
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Hey guys it is a very emotional and serious topic, i personally DONT monday morning quater back anyone or any situation. I too have pets and many dogs but the fact remains its easy to critisis and analyze after the fact, personally i was not there on some dark road with cars speeding by and told there are felons in the car, while half scared to death. Im am sad the dog died but to personally attack a person, an officer who has probably done his job with courage and conviction doesnt deserve this. Yea no one likes tickets but its part of there job, i feel if you could have done better than you do thier job. Oh, ill do you one better, some are quick to pass judgment, but when it comes down to it if you needed the police you would call for them at the same time you knock them. In a development like this no one wins, every one is affected. Its not easy and im not saying anyone is right or wrong, were all human, its sad.
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yates-in-DE
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1/09/2003
19:05:34
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Tom, You are missing the whole point on this one. In the video it is real obvious that the DOG is no threat, and with one nard the suposed brave and faithful cop would have not shot the dog. If he is so jumpy that he fires on a common household pet, then don't you think he may be in the wrong profession. But then again if I worked for a PD were officers was shooting officers then maybe I would be jumpy also. Who knows what goes through the mind of a coward.
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Lynn
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Lab Rat
GenIII
1/09/2003
19:28:38
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Furthermore, the THP was wrong for calling a felony stop. There was not one single reported robbery anywhere in the area before this went down. Big mistake on behalf of both.
LR
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Hurl
Dodge Dakota
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1/09/2003
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Well, upon further review (particularly Tom's moving words) I decided to check into these "boxers". Turns out they're a really tough bunch of K9's! Just look at this photo I found of one attacking a defenseless man:
http://www.myboxerdog.com/gracie%203.jpg
BTW, that's my pup and I'll tell you this; if a cop shot her, I'd hunt him down like a dog ;) I mean it.
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scott
Dodge Dakota
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1/10/2003
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Tom , I don`t like to second guess anyone either , especially an officer of the law , but come on man. Had they closed the door to the veh. like the family asked (pleaded with) them to do in the first place , that could have all been prevented , because the dog would have still been IN the car.
And yes I have a dog myself (and two great kids), and my best friend is a police man.
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Hurl
Dodge Dakota
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Okay, the family is in cuffs, there are lots of cops there to make sure the "felons" dont do anything tricky. Why couldn't that a$$hole cop use peper spray instead of issuing a blast to the dogs head.
That cop needs a different carrer. Lets all hope he's fired pronto.
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Texas Todd
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1/10/2003
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I sent an e-mail as suggested, I hope you did also.
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DAKDTP
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IM sure there was a lot more behind the video tape that we dont know about. I personally love animals but the dog did jump at the cop and unfortuneatly thats enough to shoot it. The cop made a mistake,dont we all? IM sure he's not going around bragging that he killed a dog by accident.
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tom
Dodge Dakota
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1/10/2003
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Hey gang, what can i say everyone has a very good point. As for Yates, i dont think im missing the point, again the tape is one thing, but come on, in a stressful situation i cant say the dog is not a threat, would you think any less if you were to know the officer had over 200 felony arrests and 5 life saving awards in his career, probably NO. Its the media that distorts this and plays to everyones emotions, last i was told the police are in charge of any situation not the people they deal with so this theory on closing the door at the request of the people dosent go to far. As for Mr.Hurl pepper spray doesnt work on dogs its a proven scientific fact, but there are other chemical agents that do. I agree if this officer is reckless and a problem i dont want him out there any more than you guys.But i dont say "THERE ALL @SSES". I personally feel its been blown out of preportion, i would rather talk trucks. Hell who knows maybe there are some cop dakotas out there that would like to get involved with the site.
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tom
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1/10/2003
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P.S. Yates thats a nice truck you got there.
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cryppie
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1/10/2003
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Did you watch the video? Was the cop supposed to just stand there and let the dog bite him? The only person that was wrong in this incident was the passenger that left the door open.
cryppie
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Hurl
Dodge Dakota
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There was NO excuse to kill that dog. Period.
Cryppie, they were not allowed to close the door.
Here is the looser Halls email address:
ehall@cookeville-tn.org
He overreacted. Had that been my dog, Mr. Hall would need to go into hiding.
Hell, the shotgun would have made a fine club had that pu$$ really thought the little doggy was being too agressive... the people were restrained and there were plenty of other cops there to control the situation.
What kind of loser is capable of killing a dog?
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Joe
Dodge Dakota
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1/10/2003
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Well I think the cop is a piece of coward sh1t myself , Hell the poor little dog was wagging his tail and ready to play :( , And look how dahm small the dog is hell kick it but dont blow it to pieces with a shotgun for gods sake . If the cop cant handle the stress and emotions of the job DONT DO IT , He obviously has lost it and deserves punishment , I dont care what you say it was wrong It really pisses me off to see that and I cant believe he shot it , It made me very sad to see it happen I wish I had not seen it . This cop has mental problems to say the least .
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figitdotcom
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1/10/2003
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he should be hung for a bit, then skinned (professionally so he doesn't bleed out)then eaten from the bottom up by little dogs and humans. A diverse ethnic bunch of humans too because if he's so fearful/testosterone driven/ and triggerhappy, he's probly racist and homophobic so yeah .. all kinds of humans should munch him down but not kill him... well let him take care of that.
Any cop with a military style haircut (as if the 8 week course and the 24 month aa justified it) that shoots my cat or snakes (no dog yet, till I have the phattie yard) would def. go through some pain and I mean medival thumb screw, salt style pain. I would never go public w/ my case b/c 6 months later he would still be in my basement fed via i.v. heh
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Da-popo
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1/10/2003
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Good points everyone. First let me say I am not taking a side in this as I was not there, and neither were any of you. As a LEO I can say that in a stressful situation you leave nothing to chance. They could not yet approach the car before securing the individuals in their cars after patting them down. has any of you tried to find a handcuff key on a prisoner. It is impossible. secondly they had to approach the vehicle in a tactically correct way. they had no way of knowing that a fourth person wasn't waiting laid down on the back seat with a gun waiting on them. They could not allow the subjects to close the door of their car because they then would have been able to access a gun had there been one in the vehicle. Fourthly pepper spray will not work on dogs. It's known and we are taught about it. Fifthly any dog is capable of hurting you. I have taken felony subjects and I have been in very stressful situations. It is amazing how tense things become in a very short period of time. I am not saying that the officer was correct or wasn't correct. My point here is that I only see 1 other person on here that is an LEO and knows what it is like. Cameras don't show everything and If you believe the media simply reports the facts without putting a spin on something then you are wrong. The media is there to make money, and any way they can get attention they will. Please everyone make sure you know all the facts and are knowledgeable on a subject before passing judgement. And before the flames begin let me again state. I am not defending or attacking the officer there. I am simply stating that there are thousands of variables that tapes and the media don't report. Make sure you know everything before passing judgement. Let the courts decide right and wrong based on the facts, not a tape and the statements from 1 side of a story. And no matter what do not let the actions of a single individual jade your perspective on any entire group. That is ignorance and prejudice.
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