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Wayne
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4/16/2002
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Hey all,
Well I noted a pulsing in my front brakes. Found this web site and contacted Dodge to check on any recall for the rotors. NONE
I took my 00 4.7 Club cab to the dealer this morning. Gee they said my rotors were warpped. For a mere $140 they woud turn them. I asked who do I wrestle around here? I'm not paying for Dodge's bad rotors. I only had to have a little heart to heart chat with the Service Manager, they will be turned free at the dealers expense, he assured me that Dodge wouln't cover the cost, the dealership was just doing it to foster customer goodwill. Hmmmm
The "Brakeman" told me that he sees alot of the V-8 Dakotas with warpped rotors, but not the v-6. He thinks the engineers didn't figure in the heavy weight up front on the front brakes.
Dodge E:mailed me in response to my inquiry about a rotor recall and want to talk to me on the telephone. Hmmmmmmm
I'll get back with their conversation,,,after I get my free rotor turning.
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Gator
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4/17/2002
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Wayne make sure you get new rotors! They cost is @ $150.00 The carbon is probably cooked out of your exesting. Good Luck at the Cheap A$$ dealers. Gator I just had to replace my fuel pump assemly $280 for parts on my 01 dak QC 51k miles. Gator
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Stephen T.
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4/18/2002
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I have a 92 Dak and a 99 Durango. The Durango has the same brake setup as the 97-02 Daks. One thing I noticed from my 92 Dak is that the rotor and hub are one piece. Traditional, heavy nice chunk of iron. On my Durango, the hub and rotor are two piece. This creates a very flimsy (in my opinion) rotor. Good ol' worthless front wheel drive passenger car technology. The rotor is held in place by the rim. If the rim is improperly torqued, the rotors can easily warp. Adding insult to injury is adjustment of the rear brakes. If they are not properly adjusted, your putting ALL your stopping power in the "flimsy" front rotors. I did a front brake job on my Durango at around 30-35K miles. They were not pulsating, just needed to be replaced. After about 10-15K miles, they still function great. The Dak has had 4 front brake jobs and 2 rear brake jobs in its 237K, 10 year life. As thin as the rotors got after being turned 3 times, not once did they warp. I attribute that to the way they are joined to the hub (one piece) and keeping the rear brakes reasonably adjusted. Now if I could figure out how to keep the Dak from squealing when braking.......
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Stephen
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TSS
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4/18/2002
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Hey good luck let us know what happens, what is the e-mail address that you sent to? We should call them. Maybe get a TSB/Recall out of them. I have 2000 CC 4x4 4.7 and like everyone I have the same problem.
Trent
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Steve
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4/19/2002
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I have a 99 2WD Ext cab Dakota, V6, Rotors warped after 27k miles, the dealer turned them, and 8k miles later warped again, I just spent $350 at an independant shop to have the brakes done, and rotors replaced. They replaced them with rotors that are supposed to be garanteed not to warp for 50K miles, we shall see.
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Gator
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4/19/2002
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I'd like to know where they (the brake shop) got the rotors? From what I can tell dodge is the only supplier currently. I have 52k on my 01 dak qc still know brake problems. I do know the rear drums are fully adjusted up. So make sure your's are also.
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Bruce P
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4/19/2002
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The front rotors have been the same on the Daks for many years now... There are several sources for them.
If you check out the "group buy" area, you will find that the POWERSLOT rotors are a popular upgrade from the original components that tend to warp easilly.
I bought a pair of the POWERSLOT rotors and am now researching what pads I wish to use. (Carbon or ceramic-based pads?) One stopps better... the other does not leave all of that #@!$ black dust on the front wheels.... a quandry
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Wayne
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4/21/2002
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I E:Mailed Dodge at 4Dodge.com Diamler-Chrysler Customer Assistance. They replied within 48 hours.
Pep boy rotor are $56 each, quiet ceramic pads and all labor $129, total would be $241.00.
Pep Boys service manager advised he gets a lot of Dakotas with the warapped rotors.
Interesting about the 2 piece rotors.
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Dave
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4/23/2002
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I just read an interesting article at http://www.stoptech.com/whitepapers/warped_rotors_myth.htm Apparently ther really is no sucj thing as a "Warped" Brake rotor" It's all a scam to get you to buy new ones. It states that the vibration is cause my a very small invisable to the human eye deposit of materials on the rotor,. It also has good advice for breaking in your new pads and rotors.
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Wayne
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4/25/2002
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Hello all,
Well the dealer turned my rotors for free. I told them it would only be a temporary fix as it was a symptom of a bigger problem.
The customer service rep from Diamler-Chrysler spoke with me on the phone. Apparently she was just going to talk to the dealer to mediate the price. Once I told her I had already had them turned at no cost she was finished. I tried to talk to her about the bigger problem to no avail.
However she happily informed me that my case number would always be on file. Whoopie!!!
As someone else mentioned I contacted the National Transportation and Highway Safety website and explained the problem to them. I figure it is a safety problem that could lead to a loss of control. I suppose if enough of us contact them they may become a thorn in the side of Dodge.
Good luck all,
Wayne
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Ron S
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4/28/2002
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I have a '00 Dodge Dakota Club Cab. The front rotors warped and were replaced free of charge at at approx. 11,700 miles. It was not easy; I had to call Dodge and really yell. I just had them replaced again at 25,600 miles. Again, I called Dodge, but with no help. I contacted the dealer (a new one, since I moved) and told them of the problem and my previously having had them replaced. They agreed to have Chrysler pay for the rotors and me the labor. I had to pay $33.00 for the labor of putting them on. Not a bad deal, but I'm still pissed for having to replace them so frequently.
By the way, my transmission was rebuilt with only 5300 miles on it, and my belt has been replaced three times. The last one only had 2000 miles and 3 months on it. The dealer doesn't see that as a problem.
I will never, ever purchase another Chryslelr product again!
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go dodge go
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7/03/2002
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"I will never, ever purchase another Chryslelr product again!"
same here...
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Brendan
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To the guys that say they will never by another
Chrysler: What would you buy for a truck?
A Chevy? Hmmm.... "Rapping in the 5.3L is
normal..." "S-10 heater core problems? That's
not common AT ALL..."
Ford: "Gee, was that my tire that just blew
out???"
KIA:"Need I elaborate?"
Toyota: "V-6 headgasket, what?"
So what's your poison gentlemen? They all
have problems. I think that all things
considered, Chrysler's problems are usually
annoying, but hardly what I would call life
threatening... I'd buy another Dakota if I wasn't
so fond of my '00.
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jeff
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8/23/2002
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I also had the same problem with my rotors. I had them turned twice before 20,000 miles, so I changed them to powerslot rotors and I have not had a problem since. I absolutely love my 2000 dakota, and I will gladly buy another one
goodluck to all
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Izzy
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9/05/2002
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Had the rotors on my 2000 CC replaced by the dealer at 12,000 miles after having them turned twice by them already. Told them I wasn't driving my truck out of their lot until they replaced them with brand new ones.
Just had those new ones turned for the first time since replacing them and I am at 69,000. They barely needed it, my wobble ended up being a tire issue.
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Bob Anthony
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Looks like I am joining the club with warped rotors. I knew this was going to be a problem even before I bought the truck. My 00 4x4 clubcab Sport Plus with the 4.7L, 5 spd, 3.92 rear, and 1800 lbs. payload package has made it to 22K miles before rotors warped. My last truck, a 92 Dakota (one piece hub) had 65K miles with no brake problems at all. I agree with others, "REPLACE THE CRAPPY ROTORS WITH ANYTHING BUT MOPAR, AND GET BACK TO LOVING THE TRUCK".
I found some Brembo rotors at Tirerack.com for $50.00 a piece. These rotors aren't slotted or drilled, and are what Powerslot starts with. Even though the pads ($59) were fine I decided to replace them as well. Total including shipping $181.00. The only problem I encountered when replacing the rotors was finding a 7mm allen/socket and frozen rotors to the hub. I had to used a large wheel-puller to remove the rusted rotors. Too much Mag/Chlouride beeing used on the roads here in Colorado. My brother's unconfortable riding S-10 with 25k miles on it has been back to the dealers several times for things a lot worse than warped rotors.
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Steve
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11/07/2002
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i always thought that metal warped because it got hot. if this is true, it is because of heat from friction, the brake pads. the more you use them, the harder you use your brakes, there is more friction and more heat. That is why i use my brakes lightly and don't let them get hot. I dont even have 10K on it, and no problems so far.
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Texas Todd
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11/20/2002
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Did you READ the article Dave posted earlier?
It's here:
http://www.stoptech.com/whitepapers/warped_rotors_myth.htm
Guys and Gals, IT'S NOT WARPING!!
If it is, then why, as others have noticed, that the pedal feels like they're warped, then after awhile, it's smooth again? Did it warp back straight, no. READ THE ARTICLE!
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Steve
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I am a professional technician and have also had front brake pulsation problems with my 01 QC 4x4. It has about 44,000 miles and I have re-surfaced the rotors twice. In fact, they're starting to feel like they need to be done again! I will admit that I work them fairly hard as I pull a trailer quite a bit.
I read the "stoptech" article and, while there is a lot of truth in the article, words like "scam" can be misleading. While there may not be such a thing as a warped rotor, per say, there are cases in which the rotors need replacement. Rotors must have a minimum thickness in order for them to be safe. If the rotors are beyond the specification for minimal
thickness, then they will need to be replaced. they may look ok to the average Joe, but still be too worn to be able to be re-surface and still have a rotor that is within specs.
My point, yes I think Dodge has an issue with
their brake rotors and while articles like the stoptech article are informative they can often lead a large majority of people to thinking that they're getting scammed or ripped off by the local shop. Just remember that there are a lot of great tech's out there that work really hard and care about the proper maintanence and safety of the car's that they work on.
Other than the brake issue, I love my Dodge! It's my first Chrysler product and I'd have to say I'd buy another.
ps Has anyone else had intermitant wiper washer problems? Good luck everyone!
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zoomer
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I've also experienced the brake pulsations on my 99 Dakota, V6. I turned the rotors at around 14K which solved the problem At around 30K the problem started coming back. The interesting thing is that sometimes it's worse than others. That leads me to think that the Stop-Tech article may well describe what is actually going on. I think at this point, I will replace the OEM pads with a quality semi-metalic after market pad and attempt to wear them in as described in the article.
Zoomer
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zoomer
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I've also experienced the brake pulsations on my 99 Dakota, V6. I turned the rotors at around 14K which solved the problem At around 30K the problem started coming back. The interesting thing is that sometimes it's worse than others. That leads me to think that the Stop-Tech article may well describe what is actually going on. I think at this point, I will replace the OEM pads with a quality semi-metalic after market pad and attempt to wear them in as described in the article.
Zoomer
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v-man
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I also have had the "warped rotor" problem. About 6 months ago, I started noticing a shudder when braking from high speeds and a "loping" kind of feeling when coming to a stop at low speeds. When I took my 01 QC v6 4x4 to the dealership, I was told that it was NOT covered under warranty, but was a "wear and tear" item, and I would have to pay for it out of pocket. Having read everything on this site re: warped rotors, I knew that it wasn't a "wear and tear" item, and assumed it was poor quality materials. I won't even tell you what the dealership wanted for parts and labor to replace them. Highway robbery, especially considering they would be replacing poor parts with poor parts. Hmmm, what to do? I told them to leave it, and I would contact Dodge and either have them cough up the price of replacement parts, or have it done somewhere else with good quality parts. I phoned around, and got a few quotes - all of which were cheaper than the dealership cost - and then you know what I did? Nothing. No time to get my truck into a shop. Just kept driving it, and now, 14000 km later, my brakes are almost exactly the way they were before I noticed the shudder/loping problem and the brakes work just fine. So, there may be something to that article on Stoptech.com. I'm not saying that the shops are out to scam you, just that maybe the problem isn't the rotors, but just that buildup.
Just my 2 cents worth.
PS: Still haven't replaced the brakes/rotors, and until I get some squealing/shudder/loping etc..., I don't think they need to be replaced or turned.
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Texas Todd
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Uh huh.
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Mark
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3/18/2003
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I had my original rotors for 100k miles. I figurd they were old and had some grooves on them so I got them replaced. Would you believe that the factory rotors with grooves were a hell of a lot smoother than the brand new ones with 1000 miles on them? They made NO pulsations but they werent cutable. sheesh. I should have gone with the "if they aint broke..." mentality. Too bad but they are probably in a scrap yard now or have been turned into molten metal.
-Mark Hryckiewicz
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Dan
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I had to have my rotors replaced at 6K on my '02 QC. It is total BS. They tried to tell me it was caused due to the heat build up or something. I am looking at getting some aftermarket rotors. Any suggestions? It is only a matter of time before these go.
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Texas Todd
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Do any of you thank are b!tching ever, ever, adjust their REAR brakes?
REAR brakes you say? Why, the problem is with my front brakes!
Hello, it's caused by your REAR brakes! When the rear drum brakes are out of adjustment, it puts nearly ALL the work on the FRONT brakes!
The fronts are always self adjusting.
The rears are too, WHEN, you back up and slam on the brakes!
How often do you back up several times to about 20- in reverse and slam on the brakes? That's what I thought. It's kinda hard to do safely, you need an empty street or parking lot.
When the rears are in adjustment, the fronts don't work so hard. And, they're NOT warping, as the article says, it's just uneven build up.
You should back up and slam on the brakes every feww weeks, several times in a row.
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Iam a brake tec and have read the stop tech artical. There is such a thing as warped rotors and is is caused by heat. It happens for many reasons. Hauling or towing more weight than the vech was designed to tow. This could be caused by towing a trailer that dose not have its own braking system which will mean you are trying to stop more weight than the braking system was designed to stop. This causes excess heat build up.Riding the brake pedal going down a hill will also cause excess heat build up and warping. Dodge may need to put beefer rotor on the truck. The rotor thickness has a direct effect on how well they handel heat build up. The thicker the rotor the better they handel the heat and the less likely they are to warp. There are many other reasons for rotor warp but I don't need to go into them all. Last but not least did you guys and gals notice any confilct of interest here.Stop Tech SELL BRAKE PARTS AND THEY ARE GIVING YOU A LINE OF BULL JUST LIKE THEY SAY THE DEALER IS. The best thing you can do for your truck is to find a good dealer service department and stick with them.
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