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bombtek
Dodge Dakota
11/20/2001
11:29:38
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I have a 2000 CC and have had my 2 amps under the 2 front seats for 2 years now. It's not a good fit and sticks out the back a little. Just enough for someone, i.e. my sons, to step on the RCA cables and snap the terminals off. Where else can I mount the amps? I don't want to sacrifice ANY room. Thanks for the help guys
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
11/20/2001
11:52:55
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Under the hood or in the bed.
Really, I don't think there are any good mounting areas that don't sacrifice some room. I would be nice if the wall behind the back seat had just 3 or 4 inches so we could cram some amps back there.
I have seen in a magazine where they mounted a pioneer amp behind the rear side panel. They did have to cut some metal but it worked. However you couldn't get to the amp once installed without removing a lot of plastic.
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
11/20/2001
15:22:11
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There is NO amp that I know of with "decent" (ie 300 to 500 RMS watts) power that will fit under the seats of a Dak and not stick out somewhat (or overheat for that matter) or be touched by the seat as it passes over when moved forward and backward.
I had seriously considered buying an amp to go there, but finally gave up since putting an amp under there would still leave it exposed to harm, especially if you wanted to keep the rear area of a Club Cab "functional".
I guess that's why I went with an "amplified T-Form" in my Dak... just alot less hassles...
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abcinv
Dodge Dakota
11/21/2001
06:51:53
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I put a FOSGATE 250.2 under my driver seat and a FOSGATE Punch 40 under the passenger seat. The 250.2 puts out over 350 RMS (2 OHM STEREO) and is driving 2 10" JL Audio 10W0's in my Thunderform. I've seen a custom amp rack in the back floor using Plexiglass running from where the Thunderform starts-going to the back of the front seats. It was angled up toward the front seats, providing a comfortable "prop" for rear passengers. Plenty strong enough to walk on also.
Just an idea.
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Bombtek
Dodge Dakota
11/21/2001
12:33:28
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hey ABC, do you happen to have a picture or a link for that amp rack? Also, what year are those amps and do they stick out the back?
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
11/21/2001
15:47:54
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Hey abcinv...
So you are saying that the Punch 250.2 fits "comfortably" under your seats and doesn't rub when you move it front to back? Ok, I can go with that, since I don't know how "tall" it is...
However, since you are saying you have it bridged at 2 Ohms Stereo (which would be equivalent to 1 Ohm mono BTW)... I am wondering how is that possible?
You would have to have two 4 Ohm dual voice coil speakers or two 2 Ohm speakers to be able to accomplish that feat! You stated that you have 2 10" JL Audio 10W0 (which I am assuming are 4 Ohm single voice coil speakers) in a Thunderform. If so, then I must tell you that you are ONLY running at 4 Ohms Stereo (or 2 Ohms mono to a mono block amp, however since yours is a 2 channel amp therefore you run "stereo bridged mode")...
I looked out on the Rockford Fosgate Site and the specs for the Punch 250.2 say that it is capable of:
Per Channel Power
62 W X 2 @ 4 Ohms RMS @ 1% THD
125 W X 2 @ 2 Ohms RMS @ 1% THD
250 W X 1 @ 4 Ohms Bridged RMS
This means that your Punch 250.2 amp is producing 250 watts of power to your 2 10's, not 350. (I do understand that it is a common mistake to confuse 2 Ohm Stereo with 2 Ohm Mono... which is what has happened here)
Nowhere does it say that this amp is 2 Ohm Bridged (stereo) stable... and if you did happen to bridge it down to that, then you are probably askin' for trouble down the road since you would probably burn out the power supply over time.
Now, I'm not saying that it "can't" be done, but there is no "official" power rating @ 2 Ohms stereo (350 RMS). So how did you come up with that number?
Ok, now that we have cleared up how much your amp really runs, the next question is...does it get hot (or moderately warm) being under there? I would assume that it would, because there is almost NO ventilation under the seats due to the small amount of space under a Dak's. That is unless you did some "mods" to the space to allow for better cooling.
So I guess I am just wondering about this setup you have described... Please correct me if I am wrong.
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bombtek
Dodge Dakota
11/21/2001
16:45:36
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Tell me if this sound to much guys. I am thinking of mounting an aluminum box in the bed up near the cab. I am looking for something pre-fab with a box and lid preferably hinged. I want to mount 2 amps in it either piggy back or side by side. Of cousre I would have to add a couple of fans and make a "hood" for them on the outside of the box to keep out the weather. The amps would be mounted off the very bottom to let whatever water that finds it's way in drain out. I have a retractable bed cover and the cannister is mounted flush with the bed wall nearest the cab but elevated leaving a foot or so of space for this box. I would have it coated with spray in bed liner to match the bed. I'd find some sort of tubing for all the wire to feed out the box and into the cab. Something "clean" looking using grommets and copious amounts of silicon. Dumb or what guys??
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x96283
Dodge Dakota
11/24/2001
14:29:14
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i have a mtx thunder152 under my driver seat. it pushes my thunderform (loaded) and sounds ok to me...
i am in need of a four channel amp to push my separates. has anyone fit a 4 ch under the passenger seat?
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giusto
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abcinv
Dodge Dakota
11/24/2001
23:07:57
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DarkFury,
Ok I'll try to answer these ?'s. Here goes:
The Amp fits good under the seat. I've had no problems with the amp interfering with the movement of the seat or the amp running hot. But my usual volume may be lower than a lot of the guys on this forum. I was thinking I had 8 ohm subs, I'll have to get back to you on that. It's a little late to be tearing my box apart. Every amp that Fosgate builds, they bench test and record the specs. When you purchase one of these amps, you get a "PUNCH VERIFICATION CERTIFICATE". This includes the model #, serial #, date of production, the impedance the amp was tested at, all the test measurements, etc. It also states the "ACTUAL TOTAL POWER" at 13.8 volts. "ALL CHANNELS DRIVEN INTO FULL POWER AT 2 OHM 384 WATTS". This is how my Certificate reads. Then it gives the name of the individual who tested the amp. This is where I got 350 watts. I did state 350 Watts RMS and I'll correct that by saying 384 Watts MAX at 13.8 Volts. I think thats it, if not I'm hoping you will let me know.
Bombtek,
I do not have any picks of the Amp rack. It belongs to a friend of my cousins. I'll take a digital camera next time I visit him. The 250.2 amp under the drivers seat is this years model and does not stick out of the back. It is a good fit! I'm not sure of the age of the Punch 40, I've had it quiet sometime now. I know Fosgate does not make that amp anymore.
If anyone has anymore ?'s, feel free to reply here or send me EMAIL directly @ abcinv@yahoo.com
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Dakman
Dodge Dakota
11/25/2001
16:47:06
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Here's what I did for my 2001 CC
Deck-Nakamichi 45Z, Amp-Soundstream 405s 5ch, Front-Boston Pro Series Comps., Rear Focal Polkevlar 165k comps. and for bass one 61/2 RS Bazooka tube.
I mounted the amp in the the tool tray under the rear bench seat(drivers side) with the Jack straped to the top of the amp. On the other side(where the jack came origanlly) I cut out the plastic part of the tray and put my 61/2 inch Bazooka in there and it fits really good. The only noticeable thing you can see when the seats are down is a slight tilt(1 inch) to the seat where the tube is.
Of course the Bass is not as strong as two tens but trust me this setup sounds good!!
sorry no pics
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
11/26/2001
00:48:40
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Hey abcinv...
Thank you for that update...
BTW, Yes, I can agree with 384 watts Max/Peak at 13.8/14 volts... That would be reasonable.
However, I guess where things got messed up was in saying 350 RMS... RMS is not Max/Peak and is usually rated at 12 volts (which you can reasonably assume your vehicle can produce). Many vehicles can't produce 14 volts due to all the electrical equipment pulling power (i.e. headlights, A/C, power steering, ABS, etc...)
I'll agree.. the Punch series amps are a "ballsy" product. (I have a HiFonics Hercules in my T-Bird.. it's a mono block amp rated 200 watts at 4 Ohms mono and 375 at 2 Ohms mono) Really good stuff there...
However, as I was stating earlier, it is hard to find an amp that fits under the seats that do 300 to 500 watts RMS. That just kinda sucks when you have speakers that can handle 250 to 500 watts each.
BTW, since you have a 2 channel amp, they can run each channel into 2 Ohms, however when they bridge them, they still end up with 4 Ohm stereo. Just to clarify on that point.
Either way, I would hope that you have 2 4 Ohm 10"s in your Dak (runnin' 4 Ohm stereo) and not 2 8 Ohm 10's (running 8 Ohm stereo), that way you can get the most out of your amp.
I'm sure either way... it sounds really good!
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abcinv
Dodge Dakota
11/26/2001
15:26:36
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DarkFury,
I have 2 8 ohm subs. This presents a 4 ohm output when wired together. The 250.2 is bridged to mono. I know you have been over this, but let me ask again. Doesn't this give me a 2 ohm load? The amp is bridged making it a "single channel" or mono amp. Then when wired to a 4 ohm load, it equals 2 ohm. I don't mean to drag this out, but if two 4 ohm subs would be a better match for my amp and allow me to get more power, I'd like to know. I'll go swap them out today!
Thanks for not being a JERK about my honest error and thanks for the info.
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
11/27/2001
10:52:26
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Your amp is currently seeing a 4ohm load. 2 - 4ohm subs would present a 2ohm load. This would double your power which is about a 3dB increase in sound. If you desire more SPL then spend your money on a bigger amp because going from a 4ohm load to a 2ohm load will not be a real big difference.
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
11/27/2001
12:02:16
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Uhh ohh... abcinv
If you have two 8 Ohm speakers, then that DOES present a 4 Ohm "mono" load when wired parallel.
However, you have a 2 Channel amplifier... which is "bridgeable" to 4 Ohms stereo (or 2 Ohms mono). To get the maximum potential from your amp, you need to have two 4 Ohm speakers in your box to show your amp a 4 Ohm stereo (2 Ohm mono) load. If you do this, then you will increase the wattage produced by your amp up to 250 Watts.
As you have it set up now, your amp is only producing 125 Watts (per the specs in my previous post) to your two 8 Ohm speakers. You definitely aren't squeezing the most out of that amp as currently situated.
If you have some good 4 Ohm 10"s, then I would recommend that you put those in your box and see what a difference they would make.
BTW. R/Truck...
I don't know if there is a "bigger" amp that will still fit under the seats like the one he currently has (Punch 250.2). But then again, that was the topic of this thread: "Which amps fit under the seats?"
It's just really hard finding a higher powered amp that is small enough to fit under the seats without being "exposed" to harm.
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bombtek
Dodge Dakota
11/27/2001
12:22:34
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ABCINV,
Did we ever find out if your subs were dual VC'ed or single? No matter if your amp is running stereo or bridged mono your load will remain the same. If you run each sub's VC's in series and then put both subs in parallel you have an 8 ohm load. If you run each sub's VC's in parallel and then put both subs in parallel you have a 2 ohm load. When amp specs make mention of, "2x150 into 2 ohms and 1x375 into 4 ohms" they mean that you can safely run that specific load in that configuration without overheating the amp. Bridging means more current being pulled from the amp, more current being pulled from the amp means more heat. That's why most non-class D/mono-block/high current amps require more impedence if you opt to bridge it. I'm sorry if you knew all this stuff already and it insults your intelligence. Keep in mind that trying to run the lowest possible load is great for SPL but not so good for sound accuracy and quality. At low impedence, speakers have a tendency to have "sloppy" cone/magnet control.
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
11/27/2001
13:40:04
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Just take out the back seats and fill them up with more amps and woofers.
BTW Mr. Dark & Furry I am aware of the topic, I just wanted to give the guy some advice. Lowering impendence isn't always the best solution to increasing SPL. When I said bigger amp it doesn't mean bigger in size but bigger in output, like a Class D amp or maybe one that could just produce more power.
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AudioGod
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
00:52:58
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DarkFury you are really confusing me. How can you bridge a two-channel amp to 4ohm stereo? If you bridge any two-channel amp you get one channel hence the designation of mono.
Running an amp in 4ohm stereo is not the same as 2ohm mono either. I beleive you are somewhat confused or are having trouble expressing what you mean.
Take for example a Hifonics Z440 (which one of my friends run) It's rated 50 watts @ 4ohms for all four channels. He runs the front two channels to a set of components in 4ohm stereo at the rated 50 watts. He bridges the rear channels to a DVC subwoofer at a 2ohm load for something like 300 watts.
Can you see the large difference in power? It is almost a threefold increase when compared to the total of the two front channels. Your tradeoff here is that since the rear channels are bridged and running at two ohms the amp is pulling more current and is producing more heat.
Some amplifiers like Rockford Fosgate can't even work with a 2ohm mono load, but can go down to a 2 ohm stereo load. It's just a matter of the way the amplifiers are designed and built. Rockford Fosgate manuals even tell you not to use their amps in a 2ohm mono config.
What do we all learn from this?
When you bridge two channels together you have just created one channel, or mono since there will be no stereo separation between the speakers driven on this channel.
You "usually" get more power when you can drive an amp into a 2ohm load, but you also get more heat and current draw.
I've been in and out of the car audio biz for quite awhile now. I'm always happy to share any of the knowledge that I have. In no way do I mean to codescend to anyone on this forum. Just trying to help, that's all.
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
02:37:03
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R/Truck...
Was there any need for the "nameplay" (Mr. Dark and Furry)? That was SO "grade school" of you... I was only pointing out that many of the "bigger output amps" are also bigger in size... But since you gotta go "childish" on me... Pfffft on you.
AudioGod...
Yes, this can be very confusing... especially when comparing stereo amplifiers to mono amplifiers
I guess the problem here is... many stereo amps weren't designed to handle really low impedance. Yes they bridge, but most of them just don't bridge down below 4 Ohms mono (this amp doesn't look like it bridges beyond 4 Ohm mono, but that's just what I gathered from the "official" specs).
When I said 4 Ohm stereo, I was thinkin' about each of the individual channels... not the "bridge" itself. If "each" channel can play at 2 Ohms, isn't the amp running at 4 Ohms stereo (with 2 + 2 = 4)? That's where the confusion set in... I'll admit that I used the wrong terminology/example by putting "2 Ohm mono" instead of "2 Ohm per channel" in the previous post, but hopefully this will make it more clear.
To get to 2 Ohms bridged, each channel would have to be able to play at 1 Ohm, and I just don't think that is gonna happen here... the power supply would just burn itself out trying.
Now, does that sound more clear to you? I'll admit that I goofed on that example, and I know that you are always "lurking" to catch those slip ups. Especially since you are "just trying to help" :)
abcinv
Forget what I said previously about going with two 4 Ohm speakers.... Unless you can confirm if your amp is stable down to 2 Ohms mono (bridged), then don't do it. Stay with the two 8 Ohm speakers getting 250W x 1 @ 4 Ohms power.
Personally I would use a mono block "Class D" single channel amp to push my subs... especially one that is designed to play at lower impedance.
Right now in my other vehicle (96 T Bird), I have two 4 Ohm DVC Orion XTR Pro 15s which technically I can produce a 1 Ohm mono impedance ... Most "stereo" amps can't run that low. I know of a few, but for the most part, mono amps are the way to go when running that low.
I'm currently considering buying an Audiobahn 1200D to drive these bad boys... however I do know that they make stereo amps that will also bridge down that low. Only problem is... they are big as a mutha... and definitely won't fit under a Dakota's seats, so that won't do anyone any good trying to go that route.
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
11:16:30
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No sense of humor? Why do we have to be so serious?
Come on!
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
11:23:01
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Humor I can take... that was NOT humor IMO. That was more along the lines of a "snipe".
I guess you just don't recognize the difference. But ok Mr. R/T Butthead.... ha ha. (you feel any better now?)
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
11:26:41
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Biggest bang for the buck is the dedicated sub amps (Mono and D amps). They are small can usuelly handle a 2ohm mono load and pound out the bass notes. The D amps run cool so they shouldn't over head under your seats.
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
11:29:52
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Fine & Dandy
Back to the topic.
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
11:33:05
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Make that "shouldn't overheat under your seat"
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
12:43:50
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Yeah... I can agree with that, however the thing is, who makes one "small" enough to fit yet puts out about 500 Watts RMS (at 2 Ohms mono)?
I looked at the MTX 6500D, however when I measured, it stuck out from under the seat about 2 inches and the movement of the seat would scrape the top of it whenever I had to access the rear cab area.
It's close, but yet not close enough...
Are there any other reasonable alternatives?
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
11/28/2001
12:57:46
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Yea I have the 6500 and it was very tight fitting under the seat. MTX makes a 4250 that is rated at 350 watts into 2 ohms (real world # are probably close to 500 watts).
What I have found is that the seats are just to low for most amps.
I just chunked the rear seat and mounted everthing back there.
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Audio God
Dodge Dakota
11/29/2001
01:25:08
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Fury,
An amplifier bridged at 2ohms mono is not the same as 1ohm stereo. When an amplifier is bridged, i.e. two channels combined to form one, the amount of power required to drive this single channel is significantly less than what is needed to drive two channels into 1ohm stereo. Most average market price amplifiers cannot even work with impedances (or as you say, ohmages) as low as 1ohm. But many of them are capable of bridging to a 2ohm mono impedance.
When you state the impedance your amplifiers are running at you don't add the impedances from each of your stereo channels together (2+2=4ohms stereo). You just state what a single channel's impedance is...
EXAMPLE:
"Yeah, I'm running dis badboy at, uh lets see, 2ohm stereo to the front components and midbass in the kickpanels and I got this big class D b!tch over here pumping 600 watts into my subs at 4ohms"
Get your sh!t straight already man!!!
:O Hehehehehehe
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
11/29/2001
10:01:14
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Aiight man... you can get off my nutz now.
Geez... talk about beating that horse. OK YOU CAN BE THE ULTIMATE ALMIGHTY AUDIO EXPERT HERE.
Are you happy now. I'm done. Go forth that spread your ultimate audio knowledge on all Audio issues with the masses. Just git up offa me... Thanks.
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
11/29/2001
10:02:42
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BTW, Audio.. you don't have to be an @sshole each and every time you "correct" me...
I can take it in "friendly doses". So you can KEEP that sh@t.
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bombtek
Dodge Dakota
11/29/2001
10:48:47
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The height issue can be solved. When I first got my truck I needed about 1/2 an inch more height to get my amps under the seats. It not the perfect fix but it worked...I took out the seats and center console for the the install. Then when putting the seats and console back in I put a 1/2 inch worth of washers over the rear bolts of the seats. This jacked the seats up in the rear and gave just enough space for what I needed to do. It did feel a little different at first but as all things I got used to it.
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
11/29/2001
11:36:10
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Dayuum, I wish this board had an "edit" function...
AudioGod...
If you would like a reference page as to some of what I was saying, you can look here for more information.
All I was essentially trying to say was that as far as an "amp" is concerned, a 4 Ohm Mono load is seen the same way as a 2 Ohm stereo load. Just as a 2 Ohm Mono load is seen the same way as a 1 Ohm Stereo load.
If you scroll down 3/4 of the way to bottom on the link I gave you to the section entitled "2 ohm stereo v. 4 ohm mono loads", you will see what I was trying to say.
Now if you have a problem with what that this guy is saying, then I guess you now have 2 people who you disagree with.
Either way, I still think you are misconstruing the point that I am trying to get across. As far as you saying that "2 Ohms mono (bridged) is not the same as 1 Ohm stereo", well... maybe it is YOU that needs to get YOUR sh@t together... cause you can't ignore the laws of physics.
BTW, how MANY "common" 2 channel stereo amps do you know of that CAN bridge to 2 Ohms mono but CAN'T do 1 Ohm stereo? I know that the "Audiobahns" (like the A2150HCX series or higher) can do 1 Ohm stereo or 2 Ohms mono. If you had an amp couldn't do 1 Ohm stereo, then it sure as hell wouldn't be able to do 2 Ohms mono...regardless of how much power it uses! So what was your point again?
I think you overestimate your "audio" knowledge god... read up some more and provide references to back up your points the next time that you wanna debate.
PEACE OUT!
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
11/29/2001
11:59:30
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Dayuum, gotta do it again... dayuum non-edit function.
Furthermore... here's your quote:
Quote from AudioGod:
When an amplifier is bridged, i.e. two channels combined to form one, the amount of power required to drive this single channel is significantly less than what is needed to drive two channels into 1ohm stereo.
Did you take into consideration that when you bridge an amp, one of the channels is actually phase inverted so that they both can play into one channel? They are not just "combined" playing at the same time...
This is why if you were bridging two separate amplifiers, it is recommended that both amps be "identical", however internally the 2 channels are identical so it doesn't matter in this example.
Either way, although both channels will experience the same load, they STILL have to perform within their individual design parameters...
OK... I'm really done now. This horse is dead and the carcass is smellin' up the place. Can we give this a rest now or do you have more "relevant" information to add?
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
11/29/2001
12:10:23
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Darkfury-
Don't be so sensitive!
AudioGod-
Behave!
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stanman
Dodge Dakota
11/29/2001
12:59:14
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I have a MTX 6500D amp under the drivers seat and a Fosgate Power 400.4 under the passenger seat. They stick out a little when the seats are pulled up, but it is not much. For that matter, the seat has to be pulled so far up for the amps to show that nobody could really fit into the front seat. I guess if I wanted room for 4-5 people I would have gotten a QuadCab.
Stanman
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bombtek
Dodge Dakota
11/30/2001
17:05:05
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Hey Stanman, So if you have the seats at "normal" driving adjustments they don't stick out the back at all? So there would be no way to step on the amp or any wires or anything from the back as long as you don't jam your feet under the seat? how do you have the amps mounted? doesn't the forward adjuster bar get in the way of mounting the amp flush with the front? I had to off-set the mounting of the amps so it wouldn't rub against the adjuster bar/handle thing. Did you have to raise the seats at all?
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MJH
Dodge Dakota
12/02/2001
14:31:16
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Put your amps under the back seats!!! I used to have on under my passenger seat but I replaced that and now have two amps under the back seats. All that is required is a little cutting of the plastic under the seats. My friend did mine and looks great, for pics of my system just reply.
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bombtek
Dodge Dakota
12/02/2001
21:47:54
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MJH, got a thunderform.
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MJH
Dodge Dakota
12/02/2001
22:08:51
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tek-
Visit my web page and it will tell you and show you what my system includes.
http://www.sounddomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=158483
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DarkFury
Dodge Dakota
12/02/2001
23:34:52
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I think what he was saying is that he "has" a thunderform, therefore mounting an amp under the seat like that is not an option... (but that don't apply to you since your speaker box sits on top of the seat and not under it.)
Maybe if we modified the "jack" compartment... but then again, most of us "T-Form" users aren't gonna take that chance of cutting into that "expensive" box like that. LOL.
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