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DSW
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1/09/2004
22:57:09
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Decisions, desisions is right. The 60.5CS's will sound a whole lot better than the stockers, so go ahead and install them omitting the Infinity Xover. Save up some money and then add an aftermarket amp and the Infinity Xovers.
You don't want to tie the high and mid speaker leads from the stock amp together as it might blow the stock amp, just wire the mids and tweets to the stock wires until you add an aftermarket amp.
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Ben J.
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1/10/2004
12:30:56
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Hey guys,
Ben again. I think I am getting confused what a xover is. what I KNOW is that the KAPPA's come WITH a little box that take STANDARD positive negative speaker wire STRAIGHT for the head unit (or factory amp) and SPLITS it into 2 chanels.
The little black box makes the tweeters ONLY play mid and high range music, and lets the woofer (is that what it is called?) only play mids and lows. It is a VERY nifty little device, but something that I have seen with EVERY good set of components. So I do not know if that is what you were fretting about, but maby I answered your question.
Always Thankfull,
Ben J.
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DSW
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1/10/2004
14:55:13
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Yup, that's it, well kind of. The crossover (Xover) splits the incoming signal from the stereo or amp into different frequency ranges. For instance the Infinity Xover takes mid range frequencies below 3500 and delivers them to the mids and the high frequencies above 3500 and delivers them to the tweeters.
This isn't perfect because it's sloped, meaning frequqncies higher than 3500 get to the mid and frequencies lower than 3500 get to the tweeter. The slope of the Xover determines how much of the signal gets past the cutoff frequency, 6db Xover slope is gradual and not too acurate, 12db is good and has a steeper slope and lets less of the frequencies past the cutoff to the speaker than the 6db Xover, 18db is better and has a steeper slope then the 6db and 12db letting less of the frequencies past the cutoff cutoff frequency to the speaker than the 6db or 12db Xover, 24 db is best and has a steeper slope than the 6db, 12db or 18db.
The point of having a Xover is the keep the wrong frequencies from the speaker, 80hz fed to a tweeter will blow the tweater, 3000hz fed to a woofer will make it sound like crap.
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Rude Dog
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1/10/2004
16:04:14
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DSW,
Thanks for that information. That's exactly what i'm gonna do with my speakers. Also, don't think that i didn't listen to your advice about the speakers. The main reason i went with the Kappas is that they came with the adapter to fit the Dakota and i wouldn't have to make one. Otherwise, i probably would have taken your advice and went with the Reference series.
- Rude Dog
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DSW
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1/10/2004
17:44:12
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No problem Rude Dog, everyone buys what they think is best. If I was going to get the speakers from a retailer/wholesaler I would have definately would have gone with the Kappas as you did.
I was condfident that the Reference series was what I wanted and wasn't worried about the warranty and returns. I have put in a lot of stereo stuff and feel that if you get quality equipment you don't have to worry about the warranty or returns. Heck, for the price I paid I could blow a set and buy another set and break even.
Like I said, buy what you think is best and never look back. Your going to be happy with the Kappas.
If you think the tweeters are too bright (loud) post something here under "Lpad" and I can tell you how to build an Lpad to cut the volume of the tweeters. You might not have to worry about this since your running off the stock amp and stock location in the door panels. I installed mine in the pillars and they were screaming at me and I had to use an -2db Lpad to reduce the volume. They sound perfectly balanced with the mids and sound great now.
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Ben J.
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1/10/2004
20:24:04
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That is basicly the same reason that I went with the kappas. they come with the adapter... lol.
Besides the fact that they sound a little better.
DSW did make the right choise for him. As I stated earlier, Ebay is ont of the best places to buy stuff if you do not care about warentee or the other stuff that comes in the box. I had to have a warentee. So ebay was realy not an option.
One other thing that I notice, is that most people are saying that the tweeters are too loud. I do not have this problem at all. It is true that they get a bit peaky. But any good head unit can fix that.
Other wise I think that this post is now done. I am very glad that I could help you Rude Dog.
And one more thing I would like to give a big THANK YOU to DSW. Many times when someone posts something that contradicts what someone else posted, there becomes a big flame war. I apreciate the fact that DSW never said anything bad about my posts, he just gave ALTERNATE advise.
So THANK YOU again DSW for keeping it civil and inteligent. Also big thanks for your help on my thunderfrm topic.
Always Thankfull,
Ben J.
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DSW
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1/10/2004
22:12:37
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Yup, no need to start a flame war because of different opinions.
I noticed that the Lpad made the tweeters produce better sound than adjusting the highs down on the deck. The Lpad just cuts the power to the tweeters instead of cutting down a certain range of frequencies. I have a pioneer EQ that could have solved the problem, but I didn't want to add another peice to the system.
Best of luck Rude Dog and Ben
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Jim
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2/15/2004
19:04:42
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Please forgive my ignorance. I believe the following is true but I want to make sure. I must replace my driver side 6 3/4 and would perfer not to mess with the component speakers. Am I correct in assuming there are two wires from the headunit going to the door, that are converted within the door by the crossover? If so, may I replace my 6 3/4 with a 4 way, bypassing the crossover and the small tweeter all together, by wiring the new speaker directly to the two initial wires going to the door?
Also, I have a '00 club cab, have any of you had experience with with back speaker panels? Nightmare or fairly routine?
Thanks for your assistance.
Jim
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DSW
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2/16/2004
03:28:17
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Jim, I don't have the OEM Infinity's, but from what everyone is saying the Infinity amp has seperate outputs for the mid and tweeter, so there are 2 pairs of speaker wires going into each door, Mid pair and tweet pair.
You can replace the mid speaker with another speaker (co-ax, 3-way, 4-way) and not have to worry about the amps crossover, but it will only be getting the mid frequencies from the amp, the highs will still be going to the tweeter.
Back speakers are a pain in the azz because to get the side panels off you have to remove, back panel, seatbelt anchors, upper and lower side panels, maybe the rear seats too. I had to remove the seats while doing a sub custom box at the same time of the rear speaker replacements, so I don't know if the rear seats need to be removed for the side panels, but I think so.
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Ben J.
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6/15/2004
17:17:54
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Bump for a friend
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