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John B.
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
08:32:24
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Hey everyone,
I have a 2000 Dakota Club Cab, with stock cassette player and speakers. And it sounds pretty bad, as can be expected...Nothings all that clear, blends together, blah balah, blah....
SO...Heading out today to pick up a new CD player and speakers for it...
I'm thinking about the Pioneer DEHP47DH that fits GM/chrysler cars...
But for speakers....
I've seen alot mentioned about putting better speakers up front than in the back, so I'm thinking about either the Pioneer TS-A1765 (3way) or TS-A1795 (2way) in the front....and some questions...
Does this sound reasonable? What is the difference between 2way and 3way speakers...confused b/c the 3way speakers cost less...anyway...which of these would be the better route to take for the front?
And then the back? Do I need to spend as much on the back speakers for decent sound? Can i put decent speakers up front, and then some less expensive speakers in the back? Any recommendations?
Any help would be greatly appreciated...
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jacob scott
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
09:06:24
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3-way means it has 3 parts of the speaker for highs, mids, and lows
2-way has just just highs and lows
so 3-way costs a little more because it covers more range.
alot of people i know put the 2 ways in the back and the 3 ways in the front. i do believe.
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intense99dak
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
09:51:28
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Have you thought about going the next step up with the DEH-P77DH? There's a few more features on the 77DH that would make life easier if you decide to upgrade your system down the road. I just got a 77DH yesterday from Sound Domain and I can't wait to install it in the Ram.
I looked at the Pioneer web site and I think I know why the 2-ways are more expensive. They can handle more wattage, they use a horn tweeter and they have a built in crossover. The horn tweeter is fairly new and I haven't read any reviews on them.
I would recommend using the 3-ways up front and then finding a different set of 2-ways for the back. Maybe the TS-G1645 or the TS-A1655 (might need a separate adapter plate for either).
In either case, you're correct in thinking that the better speakers should go up front. That is where you want the better soundstage. The back speakers are only for a little "fill" and there are a lot of people that don't even concern themselves with rear speakers (unless they're subs).
Chuck Robbins
www.intense99dak.com
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John B.
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
10:09:58
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Thanks for your help..
Another question though...
Those 3way speakers on the pioneer website state "180 Watts Max. Music Power (50 Watts Nominal)" and the CD player says 45x4....
Is this an issue? Will the speakers still sound fine? what would an amp do for me? is it worth it?
Thanks again,
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intense99dak
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
11:38:30
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The CD player is rated at 45x4 max, but the RMS is more towards 24-27 watts. The stock head unit is about 6-8 watts RMS in comparison.
The speakers should sound okay with just the head unit driving them. Unless you like loud music. If you do, I would get am amp to drive at least the front speakers.
I recently listened to a set of Boston Acoustics speakers driven off a 27w RMS head unit and I was surprised at how good they sounded. I would suggest hooking the speakers up the the head unit and seeing how they sound. If it distorts too much at high volume, then look into an amp.
This is where the DH-P77DH comes in. It has three sets of outputs. The third set is a non-fading sub-woofer output. If you don't have this third output than the subwoofer fades with the rear speakers.
Chuck Robbins
www.intense99dak.com
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R/Truck
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
12:03:09
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Replace your front speakers first, drive around for a few days and you might be satisified with that setup. The rear speakers are so close to your ears they will over-power the front ones real quick and make it sound like all your music is from the rear.
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JoJo
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
15:19:15
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if i had the pioneer 3-way in the back, and pioneer components in the front (sub and tweet with crossovers) , do you think the coaxials in the back would be overpowering? say if they all had an 50w rms and 180w max.???
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intense99dak
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
15:55:42
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JoJo,
If you had that set-up, you could always use the fader (or gain controls if amped) to reduce the volume/power going to the rear speakers.
Chuck Robbins
www.intense99dak.com
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JoJo
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
17:19:31
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duh hehe.... ok quick math question:
-the deck is 45w x 4ch max (22x4 rms)
-the amp is 50w x 4ch max @4ohms (30w x 4ch rms)
-the four speakers are 150w max (50w rms)@4ohms
...would this be the nominal set up for these speakers?? too much power? just right?
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JoJo
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
17:58:50
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...like if some speakers have a range of 8-40w RMS with 180w MAX, and you are feeding the speaker 50w RMS and 110w MAX, would it mess up the speaker? even though the power is not maxed, but slightly above the RMS for the speaker. i dunno if this is clear...
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intense99dak
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
19:16:13
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To be honest I don't know why they have the max ratings. All I ever read about is the RMS ratings.
If the speaker's RMS rating is 50w, then you should find an amp that will deliver 50w RMS. This will give you optimum sound. If you can't find an amp that matches the speaker's RMS rating, then find one close. And actually, it's better to give a speaker too much power than not enough. Just as long as you take it easy on the gain controls.
I had an Orion 50x4 amp driving some Alpine 2 way coaxials that were 30w RMS. I had the gain controls set at about 1/4 and I could get clean sound up to about 75% volume. After that I would get clipping and that ain't good for speakers ;-) If I turned the gains down a bit, I could get more volume, but the sound wasn't quite as clear.
Chuck Robbins
www.intense99dak.com
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