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dakota03
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2/02/2003
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i think im going to install all my own speakers, subs and amps. it seems pretty difficult but i think i can do it. how hard is it exactly to do it all and what advice would u give me to do a good job? and thanx for all the info uv givin me so far
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holtsch
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2/02/2003
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it's easy to do. Are you planning on doing a wall or partial wall or what? As long as you have the proper tools it's not that hard at all to install everything
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bigkshep
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I have 2 Kicker Comp VR 12s with a 300.2 JL Audio amp. I was thinking about selling it all for 1 12 inch L7. I am still contimplating on a Planet Audio 850 class D amp, Kicker 600.1, or Memphis 500 watt class D amp. I would like to know which one would be the best and if i added that to the L7, if it would be louder than what i currently have right now? If anyone can give me some suggestions on the amp if you know a better amp for one L7 that would be great. Thanks
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holtsch
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2/03/2003
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how much money do you want to spend on the amp? Of the three you listed the kicker is the most versatile, meaning it has more goodies on it. Like i said earlier if your going to buy the 600.1 at a dealer you may want to look at the 1200.1. You can get one pricematched at sounddomain for 439....and sounddomain is an authorized kicker dealer so you'll get the full warranty. Of the 3 you listed though I would go w/the kicker or PA. I personally would go w/a bigger amp though
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dakota03
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2/03/2003
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holtsch, wat site did u get $439 from for sounddomain to pricematch? if u can give me the site name id appreciate it
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holtsch
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2/03/2003
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I got that off of one of the ebay auctions, but it was a business that just sells stuff on ebay. One of the guys that works for kicker told me about it...he goes by the nick Polecat on a lot of the audio websites. Just go to ebay and find one and then sounddomain will pricematch it. I didn't think they would pricematch stuff off of ebay but he said they would...i don't know if i'd tell them it was on ebay though, just go to their website or have them send you a quote to your email or something and then show that to sounddomain.
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dakota03
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2/04/2003
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o, alrite, thanx
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dakota03
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im gona go with two kicker 1200.1 amps, one or each sub. my question is, if i do this which sub do i need, 2 ohm or 4 ohm? and hwo would i hook it up, i see and hear alot of different things online and i cant decide on anything, thanx
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holtsch
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2/05/2003
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if your going to have a 1200.1 going to each L7 then you want the d2. wire them in parallel to get a 1 ohm load. did sounddomain pricematch for ya?
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dakota03
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2/06/2003
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yea they did, thanx for all the help
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dakota03
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2/06/2003
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will i need a seperate battery for just my system?
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holtsch
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2/06/2003
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I would probably get 2 batteries for your system. EAch 1200.1 can pull 150A. What size alt do you have? I would definately get 2 batteries dedicated to your system. and if your lights still dim you can either get a high output alternator or get yours rewound. If you check around there's quite a few places that sell high output alternators for fairly cheap, the same price or cheaper than an OEM alt.
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holtsch
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2/06/2003
19:23:10
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You know how to wire the subs in parallel?
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conig
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2/07/2003
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on 2 ohm subs positive to positive negative to negative. 2 2ohms get cut down to one ohm. or 4 4ohms same manor.
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tekmon
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2/07/2003
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Why not check the Kicker web-site...
L7 Install Manual
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Tech Manual
Everything Kicker wants you to know about L series speakers, boxes, and connections
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dakota03
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2/08/2003
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wat speakers should i get for my system to go with the 2 kicker l7s? wat kind of amp should i get for the speakers?
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dakota03
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2/08/2003
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the speakers have to be kicker
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holtsch
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2/08/2003
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why you wanting all kicker? if you want all kicker there really isn't much advice anyone can give you....sounds like you already made up your own mind. I had both the resolutions and the older kicker impulse mids and liked them both. not familiar with the k-series or dx series that are out now though.
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KU40
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2/09/2003
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Sorry to bring up the old argument, but I have to in order to get rid of bad information.
92Dakota, i totally agree with you. Chantz, I don't know where you're from but you learned things wrong.
Wiring the voice coils in parallel has no bad effect on the coils. it does not make them get hotter. It is worse on them to hook each up to a different amp because the input voltages could be different, leading the coils to not move in sync. When wiring each coil to an amp, a voltmeter must be used to get the output voltages as close as possible to match the coils with each other.
Wiring itself does not make coils hotter. the lower impedence draws more power from the amp, correct, but that is the entire idea behind it. So in effect it does make them hotter, but that's just because more power is getting to them. the installer/consumer must be smart enough to correctly match the sub's power handling with the amp.
How can you say running lower ohm loads is better for the amp but not as good for the speakers? speakers don't know what impedence they are. all they know is the power coming into them, and the amp determines that. and what is your example about the 1/4 ohm stable mmats amp (not that one exists, but let's just play along for a minute)? if you put a 1/4 ohm stable on a 4 ohm DVC sub, how does that matter? the sub will only get like 100 watts. So the sub would probably be UNDERpowered, or not able to reach it's potential.
next topic: subsonic filters. these cannot be set at a definite frequency all the time. what determines this is the tuning frequency of your ported box. if your tuning frequency is 25 hz, you'll want to set your subsonic at somewhere around 20-25. if it's tuned to 50 hz, you'll want your filter at 45-48 or so.
haha, class A/B amps are more flexible than Class D? unless you are talking about orion hcca or some other high current class A/B, there is no way. 90% of class A/B amps are stable at 4 ohms mono, whereas 90% of class D amps are stable at 1 ohm. I hear it all the time where kids buy two 4 ohm SVC subs and can't maximize their Class A/B amp. If they had gotten certain class D amps, they would be able to maximize it, or at least get more power for less money. And yes, Class D is cheaper than Class A/B. no arguments can be made.
Also on the topic of class D's, they actually aren't for true audiophiles. Class D's are not only more sloppy, but also have more distortion. True audiophiles will select Class A amps, or tube type amps. Less distortion and higher damping factors.
oh, and is there a difference between "US" watts and other countries' watts?
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dakota03
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2/09/2003
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if i were to only get 1 amp for both my l7s, would a rockford fosgate 1500bd be the best or wat other amps would be good or better for the l7s?
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dakota03
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2/09/2003
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i was also lookin at the orion xtr2400, would this or the rockford fosgate be a better choice and why
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KU40
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I'd go with the orion. I've always been a fan of their stuff because it's very hard to break their equipment. You'd have more headroom with that amp as well.
Rockford's BD technology isn't as efficient as regular class D's. I believe that orion is a class D, isn't it? it should have about 70% efficiency, whereas the rockford will only have about 60%, although they both still draw a ton of current.
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dakota03
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2/09/2003
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if i get one orion, should i get the 2 or 4 ohm sub? and how would i wire it?
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holtsch
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2/09/2003
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since your spending this kind of money you should go w/the orion 2500d instead of the 2400. 2500d is this year's model. As long as you can keep your current up it should put out around 2800+ wrms. the old 2400 put out around 2700-2800 wrms. so basically the orion 2500d is equal to 2 kicker 1200.1's. The orions generally run very hot. I would prolly go w/the 2 1200's and strap them together if I were you. You could save a few bucks if you got the orion though. the 2 1200.1's will put out around 2600-2800wrms. If you get the orion you want to get the d4 subs.
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holtsch
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since your spending this kind of money you should go w/the orion 2500d instead of the 2400. 2500d is this year's model. As long as you can keep your current up it should put out around 2800+ wrms. the old 2400 put out around 2700-2800 wrms. so basically the orion 2500d is equal to 2 kicker 1200.1's. The orions generally run very hot. I would prolly go w/the 2 1200's and strap them together if I were you. You could save a few bucks if you got the orion though. the 2 1200.1's will put out around 2600-2800wrms. If you get the orion you want to get the d4 subs.
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holtsch
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I should also point out that the orion xtrpro 2400's were not that efficient even though they were a class d amp. They could still pull in excess of 300A. I'm not sure about the orion 2500d, they might've got this amp to be a lot more efficient.
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KU40
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2/09/2003
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Oh dang, I didn't know they were still making orion stuff. A local shop that used to carry them doesn't anymore, they said because they weren't making products anymore. I knew they got sold to DEI though. hmm. Local shop must not have been able to get a contract with dei.
anyways, yeah i'd say go for the 2500D. I thought I read on the orion site that they were efficient, and they recommended an external fuse of 240-250 amps, I don't remember which. 250 amps at 14 volts would give it a 70% efficiency rating. Anways, I don't know why i'm arguing, we agree. get the orion amp.
On a side note, has anybody seen the new HCCA 2nd generation subs? they look cool
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dakota03
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2/09/2003
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i decided to go with 2 l7s and 1 1200.1 amp for each. im takin the back seats out of my dakota extended cab, but i dont no where i shuld place the amps, all i have room for is the sub box, anybody have any suggestions?
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KU40
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2/10/2003
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Which way will the subs face?
you should probably be able to put them on top of the box, or on the sides if the box isn't all the way across. other than that.....maybe under the seat?
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holtsch
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how big of a box are you putting your subs in? you should have plenty of room. Are you trying to keep the box/amp rack below the windows? If you go by the biggest box kicker recommends that would be about 6.5cf internal volume plus the port and sub displacement. you should be able to fit that box and an amp rack below the windows. Where you put your amps depends on what you want. You can have them on top, but then anyone could see them and easily steal them. You could put them on the sides of the box, but then it would be a pain to get to them if you blew a fuse or needed to get to the wiring or something so it's up to you....if i were you i would put them on top
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