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RTFUN
Dodge Dakota
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2/17/2004
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So far I have:
K&N intake
MBRP Cat back exhaust
F&B throttle body
Hypertech Programmer
Should I do the mopar headers or intake manifold next?
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intake
Dodge Dakota
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2/17/2004
07:33:40
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the intake system on these trucks sucks ass, but the exhaust is half way decent!
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WipLash
R/T
2/17/2004
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I have not decided on the gains vs. the losses of the M1 intake yet. I know for a fact that the exhaust manifolds on these things SUCK! Anything after fall 1993 needs either the old 92-93 exhaust manifolds put on or headers. I'm probably going to put on a set of chrome plated Gibson headers this summer. They are about $360.00.
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Mudlizard
Dodge Dakota
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2/17/2004
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I put a set of chrome Gibson Shorties on my '01 R/T and love 'em. Just a real challenge to get to the bolts they give ya to mount them. I believe I have invented some new cuss words after it was all done. The stock exhaust came off like a breeze. The Gibsons mounted up perfectly to the exhaust pipes and I have had no leaks and no check engine lites. Been about 4 months now. In my opinion, I am really glad to have something that breaths better than a pair of stock manifolds. Definately worth the coin, plus I hate using this expression but, the "butt dyno" feels something extra in the mid range. Whatever makes my butt happy!!
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RTFUN
Dodge Dakota
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2/18/2004
10:05:34
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So the advice you guys are giving me is to do my headers next.
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b1llyw
GenII
2/18/2004
13:33:30
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Gibson makes a decent product but go with the PPH headers and get a new y-pipe too. That will get you the most gains.
Bill White - KRC Performance
'95 CC 4x2, SLT - 408 is done, truck isn't
'03 Ram 1500 QC 4x4 Hemi Off-Road
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WipLash
R/T
2/18/2004
13:51:08
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b1llyw,
Who makes an aftermarket y-pipe? What is your opinion of the Edelbrock headers? I found a set yesterday from Summit for $313.00 and they are chrome plated stainless. The primary tubes looked to be closer to equal length than the Gibsons. Also the bends and the collectors all appeared to have as smooth if not smoother transisions than the Gibsons. The stainless Gibsons is like $450.00 and they aren't chrome plated. I'm thinking seriously about the Edelbrok headers.
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b1llyw
GenII
2/18/2004
15:46:37
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Edelbrock headers are decent. But the ones you are talking about are still shorties. Their TES headers would be a better choice for performance because they do include a new y-pipe. PPH are a little more than the Edelbrock TES but they flow better, bigger primaries, and heavier gauge.
JBA sells separate y-pipes for some appications.
Bill White - KRC Performance
'95 CC 4x2, SLT - 408 is done, truck isn't
'03 Ram 1500 QC 4x4 Hemi Off-Road
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2k1r/t
Dodge Dakota
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2/18/2004
16:08:23
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In my opinion headers really aren't worth the money. My friend put a pair on his R/T and it made minimal difference. He had an M1, Air intake, TB, and exhaust...he said it wasn't worth the money because you are really only looking at 10-15hp gains for around $300-$500..Save up for a supercharger.
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b1llyw
GenII
2/18/2004
16:12:23
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What did that combination as a whole get him? What kind of power would it have made without the headers? It's all about the combo. Intake mods, pcm mods, exhaust mods all add up. They'll make more together than individually. And as for superchargers, I love 'em. And you will definitely need headers when you get a blower. You want your exhaust as free-flowing as possible then.
Bill White - KRC Performance
'95 CC 4x2, SLT - 408 is done, truck isn't
'03 Ram 1500 QC 4x4 Hemi Off-Road
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capone
Dodge Dakota
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2/18/2004
16:32:00
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What do you all think about mopar headers? How do they stack
up against the ones you've mentioned?
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b1llyw
GenII
2/18/2004
16:34:35
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That's an easy answer. PPH makes the Mopar headers for '96 and up. Thorley made 92-95. They're our preferred header in the shop. It's just cheaper to buy the PPH's and skip the Mopar name on the box, lol.
Bill White - KRC Performance
'95 CC 4x2, SLT - 408 is done, truck isn't
'03 Ram 1500 QC 4x4 Hemi Off-Road
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rtspeeddemon
Dodge Dakota
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2/18/2004
16:39:48
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I use Edlebrock headers on my 03 R/T. They work just fine and I make gobs of power with my supercharged set-up.
I think the M1 will give you a bigger gain then the headers at the point you sit currently with mods. If you add 1.7 RR at the same time you will notice no low end loss.
Just My opinion
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capone
Dodge Dakota
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2/18/2004
17:56:04
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So for a '94 318, would you reccomend getting the Thorley
headers? If not, which ones are best? Thanks
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b1llyw
GenII
2/18/2004
18:24:23
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rtspeeddemon: Edelbrock TES flow decent. I'd run them, we just like the PPH more. I think M1 and some 1.7's before or after the headers.
Capone: get the Thorley's, definitely.
We sell them by the way. :)
Bill White - KRC Performance
'95 CC 4x2, SLT - 408 is done, truck isn't
'03 Ram 1500 QC 4x4 Hemi Off-Road
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WipLash
R/T
2/18/2004
19:05:40
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2k1r/t,
Well, I know that a 93 5.2L CC Auto is about 1.4sec faster in the quarter than a 94-95 5.2L CC Auto. The major difference between the 92-93 and the 94's-up are the exhaust manifolds. If the 92-93 exhaust manifolds make that much difference then headers should even be better. Most people that have had the 92-93 5.2 Daks and the 94-up Daks know there is a big difference in performance between the 2. My 93 5.2L would run a 14.9. My 94 5.2 wouldn't even do a 16.0. I learned several years after I got rid of the 94 that the exhaust manifolds were smaller from 94 on. There is a lot to be gained on the 94-up 5.2/5.9L engines with headers. If your running a 92-93 5.2/5.9L then your probably right about the cost not being worth the minimal gains. Anyone with a 94-later needs to either find a set of 92 manifolds or buy some headers.
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