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Andy
Dodge Dakota
6/03/2001
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I have had an R/T on my wishlist for a while, well that and a Ford Lightning. I have always heard that the Dakota R/T was not that great in performance, especially considering the size engine it had. I want a truck that will haul A$$. So how is it in being a "sport" truck? Thanks!
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Broeheem
Gen III
6/04/2001
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You want absolute butt-snappin', race-trackin' EPA approvin' power?
Lightning... ALL THE WAY.
Why? Cause Dodge doesn't super/turbocharge it's eight-cylinder gasoline motors... (yet?).
Otherwise, I'll continue to blab on about the potential of the "next-generation" 4.7 V-8's.
Patriot Blue 2001 SLT Plus Club Cab
4.7L./multi-spd auto/3.55 LSD
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Dan Gruber
Gen III
6/04/2001
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The Lightning is obviously the best performing factory stock truck out there, but it is also about $10,000 more than a Dakota R/T. The R/T is a great truck as it stands, and for the cost of a supercharger, you've got a baby lightning and about $6,000 left in your pocket.
Dan
2000 CC SLT 4.7 4X4 Auto 3.55 LSD
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ib01r/t
Dodge Dakota
6/04/2001
08:27:19
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buy an r/t, its a fast truck with a few simple things, you will be glad you did
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Bernd
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6/04/2001
08:41:27
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The Lightnings are a very fast factory truck...there's no question about that. (2001 Models look really nice too!)
However, after being at the track yesterday and watching the (less expensive) modified R/T's run against the Lightnings in the 1/8 mile...cost wise, the R/T is the better choice. (Ron Merx ran a 7.6 second 1/8 mile...fastest Lightning was a 8.0. Ron runs a Vortech with Nitrous along with a few other "goodies" though.)
The average cost for the "L" is about $28K-$32K. We'll take the $30K and compare it to a $21K R/T. Now add a Supercharger, M1, MSD, Throttle Body, Modified MOPAR Heads, Headers, and an exhaust system and you're still less expensive than a Lightning, has a back seat (ClubCab), and are just as fast.
You're choice. Not trying to sell you on the R/T, but if you compare them with "like mods" to a Lightning...they're just as fast is not faster.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged @ 10#
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kraw
Dodge Dakota
6/04/2001
10:00:09
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I read that the 5.4 in the L is built to run a supercharger.. ie stronger internals. I read the L board alot and they are always saying how their engine will hold up way longer top a SC than an R/T's older 360.
I don't know much about SC'ing a R/T, but what they say makes good sense (too me). Plus, with the L, you have a factory warranty and the option for an extended warranty to cover everything under your hood (leaky intercooler and all! hehe) I also saw where alot of people with L's simply add a chip and airraid filter system and drop nearly a second from their ET, they say the chip ups the boost like 2 lbs or something.
check them out on www.f150online.com
and btw, If it weren't for the fact that I love Dakotas, and we just bought a performance vehicle, I would be getting a L next, but instead, I need a bigger truck, so I am getting the 4x4 QC instead.
I have pics of one of my buds L' on my site
www.krawdaddy.net
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bernd
Gen III
6/04/2001
11:20:46
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Yup...$800 for the ProM MAF Meter, K&N, and a "Chip" and they're in the low 13's. Yes, the "L" is built with steel crank, forged pistons, and all the internal "beef-up" mods to handle just about whatever you throw at it. But...again, for the same amount of money you pay for a new Lightning, you can build up an R/T that's faster. (That's been proven already.) ;)
After talking with some of the HALO members at the races yesterday, even they agreed...if Dodge would build a truck like the Lightning (engine wise), it would be faster. (HALO = Houston Lightning Owners).
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged @ 10#
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Swampdak
Gen III
6/04/2001
18:39:39
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Hey Bernd you should approach the Dodge folks and offer to go into business with them by taking new daks and tweaking them for sale as new trucks with full warrenty.I can see it now the 2002 Dakota Tweakster or a Berndak!Then us guys with no mech ability could just buy a fast truck?You could do custom built to clients spec. orders.Did I just say this out loud?
2000 CC 4.7 AUTO 4X4 3.55 TRAC-LOK SLT
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kennungesser
Gen III
6/04/2001
19:52:05
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I may be wrong , but I thought you could get a Dakota QC 2x4 with a Kennie Bell sc. Granted , this is on a 4.7 , but it is backed by DC , and comes with a warranty. I belive I saw this in an issue of Truckin Magazine. Can anyone confirme this?
Kenneth l Nungesser
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Swampdak
Gen III
6/04/2001
21:59:17
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Ken - Kenne Belle built thier own 2000QC and a mighty fine truck it is 325 hp.But I dont think DC were involved it was in Sport Truck mag.
2000 CC 4.7 AUTO 4X4 3.55 TRAC-LOK SLT
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Hot RT
Dodge Dakota
6/04/2001
23:32:50
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I have a 00 RT. What can I say, it is FFFAAAAASSSSTTTTTTT!!!! Great truck with an attitude. The more I drive it the better I like it. Take another look at an RT, you will be glad you did!
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RedHot98
Dodge Dakota
6/04/2001
23:41:19
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I have a 1998 5.2 RC and I have no SC. I spent $17,500, brand new on the truck. Spent $3500 on mods including the Suspension, and I raced an "L" the other day getting on the freeway, and it could only get about 1 truck length away from me... He had a real suprised look on his face when we slowed down after hitting a 130mph. Let's see 35,000 opposed to $25,000, after tax and license and warranty? You figure it out?
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RedHot98
Dodge Dakota
6/04/2001
23:51:38
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The R/T all the way....
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Jay
Dodge Dakota
6/05/2001
12:01:44
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Speaking on the kenne Bell Quad cab: could any one send me the article? Either fax or e-mail would be great!!! I tried to get a back issue of it but there IS department is shit LOL
Thanks,
Jason O.
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BigG
Gen III
6/05/2001
16:21:17
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P.S. FORD SUCKS!
2001, 3.9, 2wd, Auto, Club Cab, SLT Plus, Sport Suspension
Autolite 3923's, Borg Warner Brass Cap & Rotor, Flowmaster Delta Flow 50 Cut In
Long Island, New York
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Swampdak
Gen III
6/05/2001
17:38:07
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Jason I can e-mail it to you but I need your e-address.
2000 CC 4.7 AUTO 4X4 3.55 TRAC-LOK SLT
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Jay
Dodge Dakota
6/05/2001
19:10:46
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Swampdak my e-mail addy is
jay2329@hotmail.com
thanks a million!!!
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Mike Balls
Dodge Dakota
6/05/2001
20:41:51
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Bernd where can a person buy a R/T for 21k?Hehehe You add all that crap to the engine of the R/T and what do you have, a R/T that is fast as a Lighting {MAYBE}and a truck that gets (ROTTON} gas mileage and no longer is reliable.The Lighting is a turn key that well take you on a trip and get respectable gas mileage.Bernd you must be on the bottle, not you little 6 banger.HeheheheheheheHahahahahahahaha
BigG,you add that stuff to your little 6 banger and what do you have,a heavy truck that doesn't run any better than a school bus.Any one that puts all that money into a heavy truck with a 6cly is just plain stupid.
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
6/05/2001
21:05:06
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Mike, I'm not sure where you'd have to pay $21,000 for a R/T. Mine is costing $18,000 new with A/C, rear slider, mats, and max cooling. for about $5000 more you could have, high stall converter, ported R/T heads, cam, high flow injectors, MSD ignition, 1.6 roller rockers, ECM flash, headers, exhaust, M-1 intake, high flow TB, and cold air filter. Now you've spent $23,000 and can run with a Lightning w/o the supercharger or nitros. Now just think what the $3000 for the supercharger whould do or $1000 for a progressive nitros system would do. I don't think any of the above parts would hurt reliability as much as the blower on the ford does, and many of the above parts are Mopar performance peices that may not effect warranty or come with one of thier own. If you are not mechanically inclined you could have all the parts above put on at the same time for about $1000 tops. Still way under the price of the lightning. Also there is no Ford SVT dealer with in 300 miles of me which is another big downfall of the lightning, (although there is a 2000 Lightning in town but no R/T's until mine comes in.)
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Shawn
Gen III
6/05/2001
22:03:17
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MikeBalls,
I've read several of your posts and feel you have serious emotional problems. You do nothing but slam people and talk shit. It looks to me that you are either a teenage twit with no friends or social life, or an adult twit that I would be concerned to have around any young children due to your personality.
I would suggest you stop flaming folks before your IP address is used to track you down and repercussions are put forth through you ISP. I do this for a living so please don't start with me. This is just a "friendly" way of saying treat others as you would like to be treated.
Your bashing of Andrew the other day was uncalled for as is this. Enough is enough please.
Shawn
98 5.2L 4x4 CC
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kraw
Dodge Dakota
6/05/2001
23:08:32
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Actually, a Lighting only stickers for 32k new.. not 35. I know alot of guys who buy their L used for 25-28k... now, you figure a new R/T CC is 25, that is getting close =] I know alot of people who do 2 mods to their Lighting, a chip and a filter, and run low 13's to hi 12's all day. I have a pic of one on my site.
If you want to learn more about the L's go to
http://www.f150online.com/cgi-bin/f150board/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Lightning&number=36&DaysPrune=30&LastLogin=a
and read some of their posts.. those trucks are BADA$$ straight from the dealer!
www.krawdaddy.net
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Bernd
Gen III
6/06/2001
00:14:59
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Mike,
Where can someone buy an R/T for 21K...right here in TX. (High side...23K) We don't have those overinflated prices. As for the rotton gas mileage, the L's get the same...no different. Two of my good friends drive them...and both had Dakota's. Why did they switch, the both suffered from factory lemons...nothing else.
As for the R/T's being faster than the L's with like mods...they sure are. Don't believe me...c'mon down to TX and we'll show you on October 6th and 7th.
Now...why would someone try to make their 6cyl faster...because they can, they have, and we will continue to. There's plenty of modified Dakota V6's kicking the snot out of the V8's out there as well.
Kraw,
Yup...about $800 and they're capable of low 13's...about $1000 and they're in the high 12's. Again, both of my good friends who have L's have the timeslips and receipts to prove it. However, a big problem with the L's is the traction out of the hole. While they can lauch very well with slicks, the street tires are a problem. At the track, the Dakota's are (90% of the time) quicker out of the hole. Also, add a Supercharger, TB, Headers, and Exhaust to the R/T...you've got yourself a 13-second ride as well. (Again...track proven.)
Both are respectable trucks in their own classes. Compare them in stock form and it's not a fair comparison at all. Factory form, the Lightning will always be quicker. Install "like modifications"...they're equal.
(Now all we need to do is lobby Dodge to install factory M1-MPI Manifolds and Superchargers on our trucks.) ;)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged @ 10#
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Make Balls
Dodge Dakota
6/06/2001
04:17:13
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Shawn,You talk mean,This is America Shawn or have you forgot.No one has been treatend,intell you openend you mouth.
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Swampdak
Gen III
6/06/2001
06:41:05
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Hey Jay I am having trouble with my scanner ,do youhave a fax I can send it to my e-mail is swamp@ihorizons.net
2000 CC 4.7 AUTO 4X4 3.55 TRAC-LOK SLT
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Jay
Dodge Dakota
6/06/2001
11:51:11
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Swamp, I e-mailed you with my work fax. Thanks for your help :)
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Jay
Dodge Dakota
6/06/2001
11:52:27
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Swamp, I e-mailed you with my work fax. Thanks for your help :)
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Mike Balls
Dodge Dakota
6/06/2001
20:56:08
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Bernd once again you missed the key word {reliable] after you put all that crap on the R/T you do not have a truck that you could drive cross country,you could drive that factory stock L across country and not worry about the dam thing coming on glued,try that with your little 6 poper.As far as your truck beating V8's, I think you are full BS,I would beat my check that there are not many stock 4.7s you can beat and you had to put all that crap on your 4,400 lbs truck.
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Mike Balls
Dodge Dakota
6/06/2001
21:09:52
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Shawn this one is for you,the meaning of flaming:to light ones ass when one passes gas,to see how big the flame well get.Shawn your profile says you are a consultant,would that be a consultant of out houses?
Mr Balls to you Hehehehehe
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kennungesser
Gen III
6/06/2001
21:15:02
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This is to Mike balls , quit acting like what hangs low beside my balls!
Bernd knows what he is talking about , and if you would read some of his other posts , you would know this. Stop talking smack , and go back to the ford site.
Kenneth l Nungesser
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Jeff
Dodge Dakota
6/06/2001
21:24:16
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Mr. Balls might be an ass, but he's right.
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Mike Balls
Dodge Dakota
6/06/2001
21:25:44
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I truly apologize to all of you intelligent people out there that own a great Dakota and are on this great web site,for I can't stand back and listen to a couple of stupid shit kickers,that think that there stuff is better than ever one else's or they are so tough.
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kennungesser
Gen III
6/06/2001
21:41:17
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Dude , its not your opinion that ticks me off , it's your attitude. We welcome different opinions , even slamming our trucks doesn't bother us that bad. Hell we slam Ford and Chevy all the time. It's when you start slamming our friends here , that pisses us off.
Kenneth l Nungesser
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Mikex70
Dodge Dakota
6/06/2001
21:47:58
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While the L may have an advantage now wait till the 5.7 hemi is released apx. 350hp bone stock. Add a supercharger and your well over 400 prepare to start seriously spanking L owners.
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eddie_orlando
Dodge Dakota
6/06/2001
22:50:21
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Mike Balls,
You my friend are a truly ignorant inbred who can neither spell or make logical points that are of any value to anybody on this site, so take your backwoods intellect to your little Ford site and leave us Dak fans alone (especially Bernd, since his knowledge dwarfs yours along with most people's on this site!)
Ed Henry
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Bernd
Gen III
6/06/2001
23:51:12
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Mr. Balls,
Apparently you seem to be under the impression that modifying an engine will cause it to be "unreliable". This is the biggest misconception that most people have about modified engines/vehicles. We built Supercharged/nitroused/cammed/whatever you wanted Mopars, Fords, Chevy's and a few imports many years ago in CA. From the ones that I still keep in contact with, they're all STILL running reliably. (It all depends on how you build it...simple "Bolt-Ons" aren't the only thing involved.)
As for the Lightning running cross-country, Randy (my neighbor) drives his "L" across Texas on a regular basis (and out of state occasionally) and has had his engine overheat and his windshield insulation come undone. This is from a 95% stock/factory vehicle. I drove mine from CA to TX and drive it about 1500-2000miles a month...no reliability problems what-so-ever.
As for the modified R/T's driving cross-country...why don't you show up in Topeka, Kansas for the National R/T meet next weekend. They do drive form all across the country in their modified R/T's, race at the track, and then drive home again...some making it a 3000-mile round trip.
'Nuff said about the "RELIABILITY". ;)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged @ 10#
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Shawn
Gen III
6/07/2001
00:39:17
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Mr. Balls,
I agree with the "attitude" statements. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Yup this is America (at least most of us here are from the US) and free speach is perfectly acceptable, my point is there is no reason to be rude to people you don't even know. I was not "threatening" you, I merely was letting you know that this board is regualted and by being vulgar someone could take action with your ISP.
No harm, no foul. Just please bash trucks all you want but there is no reason to start pissing contests with people on a personal level.
Shawn
P.S.
I'm one of those geeks who builds Wide Area Networks. Pays the bills and supports my addictions.
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Russ
Dodge Dakota
6/07/2001
01:01:35
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Everybody listen up. I own a 99 solar yellow
dodge dakota R/T. but..... I have the killer bee
kit on mine!!! I've got around 360 hp and a few
weeks ago I beat the hell out of a new lighting.
It wasn't even a race. A killer bee dakota R/T is
cheaper and much faster than a new lightning.
Think about it now.... Same horsepower but a big
weight advantage. go figure. I ran a 2001
corvette and we tied. NO JOKE e-mail me at
venom0069@hotmail.com and I will send you a tape
and pics of the race if you don't believe me. All
you lightnin owners.... all I got to say is.....
COME AND GET SOME AND GET YOUR ASS"S WHIPPED!!!
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Mike Balls
Dodge Dakota
6/07/2001
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Yes Shawn,I spelled threat wrong,but I spelled it the hillbilly way,with my bad spelling,I still get my opinion out.Shawn what part was vulgar ????
Yes Bernd knows car's,butt he is not GOD,there is only one GOD and his name is not Bernd.
Dude Hehehehehe
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kraw
Dodge Dakota
6/07/2001
10:24:42
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do you think Dodge is actually going to RELEASE a 350hp R/T? I seriously doubt it.
seems like all these reports come from the Buzz site
If I can be proven wrong, that would be awesome! but until it is on the showroom floor, I have my doubts. I think I would actually own an R/T like that! 350 N/A hp would be sweeeeet
And I by no means prefer Ford OVER Dodge.. I love Daks, but I like Fords. (notice the use of LOVE and LIKE) =] I guess it is because my first truck was a Ford and my Stang is obviously a Ford, but the Dakota is the BEST all around truck you can buy.... for sure
JMHO
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