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Mr.Sleepy
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10/01/2003
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I've heard people asking about TufOil for a while now and I thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. I've been using this stuff on all my auto's for 10 years now. Its relatively cheap when you buy in bulk, and uses only 4 ounces per oil change, 8 ounces for the first time you use it. Use it only after 30,000 miles and add it every time you change the oil. Change every 3,000 miles or 3 months which ever comes first. I've yet to have an engine that didnt last more than 200,000 miles. No problems with wear or tear related issues. Every motor ran fine till the day I sold the car. I don't know about mileage increses, or horsepower gains, and I don't care about them. Oil additives in my opinion as well as the oil itself should just be for lubricating and protecting against wear. Don't believe me? Want some proof? Well heres a story about my experience with tufoil.
After owning a ford 5.0 V8 Grand marquis for 2 years and using tufoil in it since I bought it, the old bird had about 95,000 miles on it. I took it on a vacation trip and during the trip realized that i was almost 750 miles over my oil change limit. I took the car to a uncle ed's oil change shoppe and had the oil changed. I normally do this myself but since I was quite some distance away from home and still planned to travel more I had to change it. The idiots at the shop didnt tigten the plug and the oil drained out, so when the oil light came on i was concerened, checked it out and decided to drive to the nearest service station to get some oil and a wrench. When I got there I was 4 quarts low, and almost out and had run the engine for almost 30 minutes at that level. Needless to say im sure that TufOil played a large part in keeping that engine running, and keeping it healthly long after that scary vacation.
It's worth every penny, and keeps your engine running a long time. For you leasers who turn thier trucks in after 3 years, don't bother with it. But if your like me and like to run your trucks past 120,000 miles then check this stuff out. I believe they have a website. Hope this helps at least a few of you peeps out.
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dunno
Dodge Dakota
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10/01/2003
11:26:51
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SNAKEOIL ???
The snake oil companies get fined if they LIE about what their stuff is supposed to do. The FTC does not regulate whether the stuff is GOOD or BAD for an engine, only if they LIE about it.
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DakotaEnthusiast
10/01/2003
11:58:45
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Mr. Sleepy,
I am happy to hear that your trucks lasted a long time. Needless to say ... I am not an advocate of additives.
TufOil (basically the same as Slick 50) is a barrier ingredient and the possble effects it causes is that it seems to only make the oil oxidize rather quickly after adding the additive.
TufOil contains PTFE. PTFE is bad. Basically marketed as Teflon ... and they piggyback off the fact that everyone has seen the "egg slip off the frying pan" commercial on TV. Dupont owns the Teflon technology and they even state that Teflon is not good for an internal combustion engine. There were a lot of FTC lawsuits ... and settlements ... regarding the use of Teflon in aftermarket additives.
If you think that you need better barrier protection, use an oil that has a high level of moly as an additive that is included direct from the manufacturer. There is simply no need for any of those snakeoil type additives. Choose a good oil with a good antiwear package in it and there is simply no need for TufOil (or Slick 50). If you want protection from metal to metal contact on a cold start, choose a quality synthetic oil, or an oil with moly in it.
There is more to an oil than the sum of its parts which show up in a typical UOA/VOA (Used Oil Analysis/Virgin Oil Analysis). That's why some additives backfire. There is an optimal amount of moly/boron/zinc/phosphorous/calcium, etc ... and the type/form/percentage of each is critical to it's optimum performance.
You will not see much difference in you UOA's using TufOil, but what it does is cause pitting of the yellow metals and unless you pull your motor apart to examine them before and after, your test's could show excellent #'s.
Do you want to risk bearing failure? This is one thing that Briggs and Straton found when they did their test on PTFE. It showed that the machine running the PTFE had actually pitted the yellow metals where the other machine that ran with standard oil showed no such evidence.
In closing: Hundreds of Engineers, Scientists and Chemists (spending thousands of hours) have done an excellent job assembling good oils that do not need these magic additives.
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SouthernHick
Dodge Dakota
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10/01/2003
12:40:37
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Hi,
we are all poorly eddjukaterd in Mississippi and
in our garage we always thought PTFE stood for;
Poor Treatment For Engines
LOL LOL LOL LOL
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EyeTrip
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10/01/2003
19:10:17
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Now we have stooped to a new censorship level eh?
I cannot believe all the crap on this site that is left untouched and this thread gets the Notzi scrutiny. WTF?
Powerdyne 6#, M1, 24# FMS, MP Headers, Transgo shit kit, MSD/BTM ignition, MAP tweak, relocated IAT, MP PCM,
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Mark
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10/01/2003
20:35:48
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Nothing has been altered in this thread.
-Mark Hryckiewicz
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EyeTrip
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10/01/2003
21:05:44
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Mark, I am pretty sure I posted on this thread last night. If your the only one that can possibly have moderator access, then I appologize.
Powerdyne 6#, M1, 24# FMS, MP Headers, Transgo shit kit, MSD/BTM ignition, MAP tweak, relocated IAT, MP PCM,
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AmsoilSponsor
DakotaEnthusiast
10/02/2003
06:40:42
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EyeTrip, ... Sorry ... but Mark is correct.
You flamed me on a different thread on the General Board ... (not this one) ...
Subject: Redline w Esters Bad?
You spend so much of your valuable time looking for my posts (so that you can flame me), that you get confused as to when, where and what you post.
Then you come back crying censorship.
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AmsoilSponsor
DakotaEnthusiast
10/02/2003
08:24:43
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EyeTrip,
Being a nice guy, I should have posted the above as a link:
Here is the thread you are looking for EyeTrip
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AmsoilSponsor
DakotaEnthusiast
10/02/2003
08:32:51
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For your reading enjoyment ...
My favorite "flaming" thread ... Amsoil vs. Mobil1 ... Can anyone guess who Hmmm (the flamer) is? Three guesses and the first two don't count. LOL
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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Clarke
Dodge Dakota
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10/02/2003
10:06:43
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Yep, nobody takes PTFE seriously as an internal comblustion engine lubricant anymore.
Dyno tests show reduced friction for more power and mileage but UOAs using Tufoil seem to indicate increased wear at the same time. The theory is that the teflon particles cause localized lubrication starvation and that's where the additional wear comes from.
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AmsoilSponsor
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10/02/2003
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Clarke, More food for thought:
As someone else stated ... Teflon is for frying pans, not engines.
Here are other reasons not to use it:
Teflon (PTFE), as it is offered in an additive is a member of the family of "solid, held in suspension" lubricant particles. It is effective as a "sliding friction lubrication" if you can get the PTFE to adhere to the point of contact. Repeat ... PTFE is bad.
IF the "particles held in suspension" are not machined small enough they have an affinity to "stack or pool" at oil journal entry points and block off up to 50% of the lower area of the journal, disrupting oil flow rate and causing localized heating. This can starve a critical area of lubrication and because of localized heating create a temprorary increase in performance (thinner oil sheared or thinned by heat) until the oil starved component is destroyed.
The solids also have an affinity af resting in the oil pan/sump and collecting and holding sludge precursers that eventually collect into full blown black sludge creating more problems.
Why do some users of aftermarket additives offer good reports, or praise the product? Because most aftermarket additives prohibit sound because of their density, then you think (falsely, as in placebo) that the engine is running more smoothly. It simply masks the problem.
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Peter
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10/05/2003
15:50:11
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Steven,
I just read the threads.
Touche' (I'm not French, but I think this is right spelling)
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DJ
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10/08/2003
11:31:51
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At localized hot spots the tetrafluoroethane decomposes such that the fluorine exudes from the particle and sticks to metal causing localized pitting.
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JD
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11/01/2003
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DJ,
Huh ???
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Big Pan
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11/03/2003
14:33:49
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What Mr. Sleepy neglected to mention was that although he had lost 4 quarts of oil, his Ford 5.0 V8 Grand Marquis has a 12 quart oil pan. ;}
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Max
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12/23/2003
20:44:39
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Years ago I was told Slick 50 would ruin my engine but I thought I would try it anyway... now I've been using in every vehicle for 25 yrs .. my current vehicle has 310,000+ miles on it.... still runs the same as new. I'm very impressed with it and yet to see it ruin my motors.... and no I don't sell the stuff.
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Mr.Sleepy
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12/24/2003
09:31:37
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Big Pan.... Your joking right?
Grand Marquis only take 5 quarts on a oil change.
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fastyz400
Dodge Dakota
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12/26/2003
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Hey Mr. Sleepy,
Did you ever get your gas mileage problem worked out?
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Mr.Sleepy
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12/26/2003
09:19:48
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Thanks for asking.... I havent had a chance to test or replace any O2 sensors, due to the holiday rush and cold weather. However, I have "tested" the cat and it seems to be fine so I'm willing to bet it is only the sensors that are bad. I did remove the plenum and noticed that the walls of my TB are dirty. I cleaned it up and cleaned up my K&N a little, changed the oil and I seem to be getting about 10 to 20 more miles per tank, but its been only once in a while. I can't purchase the sensors until I figure out which one is bad and I'm still not sure how to do that correctly, I imagine a trip to the dealership is going to be involved here. Plus I just blew all my money on holiday gifts so I'm a bit strapped for the moment. I'll keep you up to date.
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CHDak01
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5/07/2004
06:46:53
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Well, I'm glad I found this thread. My wife brought me some tufoil home from her stupid bro's house. Now I know it is best not to use it. Thanks
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