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real mopar
Dodge Dakota
5/29/2001
21:36:35
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 Subject: jeffster
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Hey Jeff, I've been reading some of your older posts. Man I gotta say, what is it with you and the other 4.7L guys? Who cares which is the fastest 4.7L or 5.9L? Neither one would have gotten a second glance back in the day! I myself own a 5.9 R/T and it runs 14.8 bone stock. Big Deal! That ain't nothing special. I also own several other Mopars from way back. My Challenger runs 13.03 Bone stock at 3800 pounds on skinny street tires. That is something to brag about! I also have a '65 Plymouth (yeah those are Mopars too) that runs in the 10's.
And it's street driven. Our late model trucks run O.K. for everyday vehicles but come on man!
These trucks are more about style than anything else, and the R/T has that in Spades. But Mopar guys have to stick together, so I congratulate you on your win against the Furd (that ain't a typo). But don't think a R/T can't do that too.
I have to admit I've had a few pre-dawn stoplight encounters on the way to work, and my truck has shown it's tailights to a few mustclangs and even a few Z's. Get "real" fast, get "real" Mopar!
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SLEEPER318
Dodge Dakota
5/29/2001
22:21:28
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REAL MOPAR, They get a new engine and they think its the fastest thing in the world. There's no other truck or car that can mess with the 4.7 I've done ran into a guy bragging he ran a 14.30 with just a flowmaster on a 4.7 5-speed and 3.92 regular cab. So I was impressed. I asked him to run'm. So we went and ran'm. I walked him by a truck. Then here comes the excuses. All I had done to my truck was A Borla single chamber muffller and and 10 x 2 open element airfilter. o'yeah shift kit. I was running the truck up to 5200. Thats with a 5.2 regular cab, 3.92 limited slip, same he had. I even had the stock tires on it. The best i ran at the track with it then was a 14.6 So you 4.7 guys don't impress me one bit. Jeffster let me know when you decide to bring that 4.7 down to Louisiana. I'll be more than happy to show you what Magnum power is about. Oh Yeah, I'm in the 12's on motor. No Spray. Let me know when you do that with yours. I'll be glad to take a invite to Texas, Louisiana, or Mississippi to meet you at a track. Let me know.
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
5/29/2001
23:26:42
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A "bone stock" challenger running 13.03's is pretty tough for even me to swallow. That would have made every headline of every mag in 1970 had any magazine tester ever made a truly "bone stock" challenger run that number, even a 426 hemi car would be more like 13.4 w/o slicks.
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jeffster
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
04:05:08
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Bone stock R/T running 14.8 is also hard to swallow. Every magazine run and testemonial from other R/T owners (of course there is always that 1 in 5 like this guy) is showing around 15.4. I don't know where this whole half sec comes from.
You are full of shi.. Sleeper. You forget I have owned a 5.2 magnum and that engine goes down hill fast after 4,600 RPM's. The HP and Torque curve also show this. That engine with virtually no mod's will not turn 5,200 RPM's with out a serious loss of power. Try and at least make your comment's sort of seem plausabile.
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albert
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
04:14:16
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Sleeper318,
You are nothing but a hipocrite. First you slam jeffster for bragging about his 4.7, then you start bragging about your 5.2. Whats up with that? I think the only reason that jeffster thinks his engine is so great is because it runs faster than most other trucks with larger motors. I have owned two dakotas, the first was a 99 CC with the 5.2 and the second was a 00 CC 4x4 with the 4.7. These trucks were completely identical except the 00 was a 4x4. The newer truck with the 4.7 was noticeably faster than the 5.2 and it even had the extra wieght being a 4x4. Now I'm not saying that the 5.2 is a bad engine, it has been used for years and proven it's venerability. There's just no mistaking newer technlogy and the advancements that have been made.
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jeffster
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
04:30:04
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That about says it all Albert. Anybody that thinks you can compare a stock 4.7 to a stock 5.2 is just silly and is either really ignorant ( more than even me)or just trying to pull our legs. I test drove a 4.7 auto C.C and new I had to have one so ordered my 4.7 5 speed.
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cbsdakota
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
05:07:15
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ALL OF YOU SHUT THE HELL UP! My V6 could kick all your asses.*
*subject to major mods including twin turbo, 4.10's and 13:1 compression :)
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eddie_orlando
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
18:16:32
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sleeper318, ever thought of just shutting up sometimes??? The reason being is that you give us all huge headaches. I love classic muscle cars as much as anybody, but I hate having to listen to the liars that supposedly own them. You must do pretty well for yourself to be owning that fine fleet of Mopar vehicles. Have fun in your low 13's! Yeah right!!
Ed Henry
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SLEEPER318
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
18:25:43
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Eddie you as dumb as jeffster, I didn't say i owned a fleet of mopars, that was real mopar. As far as you Jeffster. Your full of Sgit like all the other 4.7 owners. Your the kind that thinks he has the fastest truck and goes out every weekend and gets his ass kicked. comes on line saying i just beat a 5.0 We all know you a big looser, this just makes you feel good knowing some of these guys beleive you.
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eddie_orlando
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
18:36:56
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lose=to get beat, fail
loose=your mom
looser=your mom is looser than mine
loser=jeffster against 5.0's(according to you)
thank you
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SLEEPER318
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
18:42:21
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Hey Eddie, Your so smart. I wish i was like you. So what do you have? The keys to your moms 89 Caravan? Why don't you get a life. You sit behind a computuer screen and just have dreams of owning a Dakota. But hey, Your the man.
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jeffster
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
18:47:38
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You still forget I owned a 5.2 98 magnum engine for 2 and a half years. I know what they do and you are just out right confused. It's that simple. Obviuosly you find it hard to beleive I can beat many 5.0 stangs that's because you drive a slow ass stock 5.2 and always lose. Then you say to yourself, well if my 5.2 is faster than a 4.7 and I am always getting my ass kicked then there is no way a 4.7 will beat any 5.0's. Hello wake up and smell the oil burning 4.7's stock for stock clobber the 5.2's. The 4.7's are running neck and neck with or beating 5.9's. I guess they should have called it a 5.2 R/T in that case. You have a hopeless battle if you think you can get this one by me or anyone else that has owned both engines.
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SLEEPER318
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
19:11:19
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Since it's so slow, why don't you ask Daniel D or Kraw how slow it is. Plz ask. I want you to. Oh yeah, I beat Mustangs often, more than you. We're not talking stock ones either. But hey Believe what you want.
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cbsdakota
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
19:24:37
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real mopar
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
19:29:00
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Alright I knew this was going to open up acan of worms but I must defend myself.. First of all, High Performance Mopar tested a solar yellow regular cab R/T and went 14.9 you calling them liars too? As for my old stuff, well my Challenger is a 440 Six-Pack 4-speed super trak pack car wtih no significant mods from stock just a good power tune (stock in my book). Yes she does run good, and anyone in the know relises that car mags back then like "Car and Driver" got cars that already had the hell drove out of 'em.
Plus were they really good drivers? Who Knows?
And by the way my Challenger may not be a concours show car but it is a good driver and it was still affordable when I bought it (11 years ago) My Plymouth is a stripped down race car and the best thing about it is the engine. Yes I do have quite a fleet of mopars, and I work my ass off to keep 'em.
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jeffster
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
19:41:14
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Let's ask Kraw!! I have seen his site and he's a straight shooter. He will tell you himself a 5.2 stock is no real match for a 4.7 stock. The 5.2 isn't slow but it's no match for the 4.7. No knocking the motor but technology continues to advance and the evolution of the 4.7 is just another step forward. Lighter weight more power less fuel consumption. Don't worry it won't be around forever either.
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jeffster
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
19:45:47
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One more thing. Yes your truck may be faster. Probably is and by the sounds of it you have done some work to it and I really don't care. If it's a stock or very mildly modified 5.2 however my truck will drop it like a bad habit.
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SLEEPER318
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
19:52:02
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If thats what you think, ok. But I know other wise. For the record, I ran a R/T, beat him also. Both we're stock. Got a half of truck on him, yes it was a rc also. Same gears and Auto trannies. You can say you would drop me but hey, we'll never know. Mine isn't very mildly modified any more. Let me know when you get yours Modified. We can settle this once and for all.
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eddie_orlando
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
21:06:47
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FYI, it's a '90 Caravan. With power windows AND locks thank you very much!
ED
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
22:48:39
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Saying running a 14.8 1/4 mile stock is no big deal is a complete wrong. How may cars can do it today? Now how many pure stock can do it purchased brand new for under $15,000 can do it? You adjust that Challenger Six Pac for inflation and it comes out to high $20's I bet. Go back from the pinnicle of musclecars in 1970 to 1960 and 14.8 would be about tops, go ahead to 1975 and again 14.8 would be up there as well. You are comparing something that had to meet basically no emissions standards and had 105 octane regular feul at every staion in the country, to something built under what would be considered communist regulations in 1970. The new 4.7 has so much more potential in it's motor design then the 5.9 or 5.2. Wait until the 5.7 Hemi is out and not giving the old motors the displacement advantage and you will see. Speaking of diplacement if the 4.7 was as big as the 440 and rated in the same manner it would be making more power then even the Six Pac 440, probably low end torque as well. I would absolutely love to have a 440 Six Barrel Roadrunner, don't get me wrong, and I'm wating for my R/T to arrive as well, but I still think the 4.7 Dakota with 5-speed is the way to go if you want max performance for the dollar. This isn't just for new trucks but new cars as well.
PS I really hope some tweaking on the R/T's over the years will make my pretty stripped 2001 RC R/T run better then a 14.8 as it rolls off the showroom floor, if it only will do a 15.2 after break-in I will be looking to sell it when the 5.7 hemi ends up in a Dakota (if they don't ruin the looks with the redesign.)
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steve-o
Dodge Dakota
5/31/2001
00:46:03
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why make a post directed to jeffster, hell if i had the 4.7l 5speed i probably would rant and rave about it too! stop the insanity before i start throwing frozen waffles at everyone:-)
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eddie_orlando
Dodge Dakota
5/31/2001
03:06:53
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steve-o, WELL SPOKEN!!!!!
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jeffster
Dodge Dakota
5/31/2001
03:54:00
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I almost shi.. myself when I saw someone decided to dedicate a topic to the problem of the over exuberant Jeffster.
What can I say I love my truck? This Sleeper 318 is the best however. Stock 5.2 beats stock 4.7. That's funny.
I had a dream an ostrich came up beside me at a red light. I look over and the friggin bird is standing beside me in my truck giving me the signal. Well I go for it and lay on it when the light turns green. I look over and the ostrich is right there keeping up with me. What the fuc.. I press down as hard as I can on the gas and as soon as I hit about 4,000 rpms in second he starts to disappear in my rear veiw. Well now it gets better. At the next light a Silverado pulls up beside me and who's driving it? The same god damn ostrich that just tried to take me on foot. Well I know I will cream the Silverado and just chuckle. Light turns green and I mat it but the stupid Chevy is passing me. This is humilaiating all I see is the back of the ostriches head sticking above the head rest. Then I notice a big bottle of NOS and head off to juice my truck up for another encounter but I woke up before I could st the story right.
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Mike Balls
Dodge Dakota
5/31/2001
03:56:02
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Jeffster what the are you doing up?
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Mike Balls
Dodge Dakota
5/31/2001
03:57:23
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HELL
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Blizzard
Gen III
5/31/2001
07:12:30
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Jeffster ...
that wasn't an ostrich ... it was the ROAD RUNNER
hehehe
'01 QC 4x4
5.9L, 3.92 LSD, loaded
www.geocities.com/blizzzzard69
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
5/31/2001
16:44:10
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I keep seeing the thing about 4.7s out running 5.2s. It is funny to read on the screen but it ain't playing out on the drag strip where I go. My son has a '98 rc/5 sp./3.92. He put a slowmaster and a dump on it. He consistently runs the same et as the hoard of 4.7s that show up. Some are a .10 faster and some a .10 slower but all are so close that they are basically the same. The 4.7 replaced the 5.2 because mother Mopar needs newer tecnology to pass emmisions. I'd be proud of my a smaller engine running with a larger engine but when you look at other corporations you will realize that Mopar should have done better. Based on 50+ runs that I have seen 4.7 = 5.2 when equipped the same. 4.7 can out run some R/Ts because R/Ts have auto transmissions. 4.7s in stock form will not out run any Mustang 5.0/5sp/3.55. We have the slowest model made in recent years. That would be the '95 model because new body was heavier than earlier models and still had the 5.0. First time at the track was a 14.8. This at a track where I have seen 1 4.7 Dakota run 14.7. Most 4.7/5sp./3.92 will average 15.0
So much bullsh*t - so little fact.
Sleeper318-Where do you live? You going to Sonic in Gonzales this month?
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durtydog
Dodge Dakota
5/31/2001
17:18:24
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after reading this post im starting a anger management course for $1.00 you can here me teach you how to take deep breaths count to 10 and open a can of beer,sit back and relax!its that easy so lets turn our anger into humor.fellow dakotas owners lets unite
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
5/31/2001
17:32:09
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Don't get mad. Get even. ;-)
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SLEEPER318
Dodge Dakota
5/31/2001
18:49:26
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I live in Hammond Wayne. I'm not going to be able to make it. I'm having to get a set of custom pushrods made from Cower. It'll be 2 weeks before I get them. I'll be there for the next one. I have some guys out there that want to run me. Including a 5.0 Ranger. I'll let you and Daniel D know when I get it running. I tried the 6.90 and 6.950. One was too short the other too long. So I had to go with a 6.935 pushrod. I seen the same thing at the track with the 4.7 Over in Port Allen. Most of the ones I see out the with 4.7, traction bars,5-speed, flowmaster and air intake run 15.0 to 14.8. I've never seen one run 14.2 or 14.5. Thats all I'm saying.
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Bob
Dodge Dakota
5/31/2001
19:50:26
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Wayne thank you for that stuff,very interesting!Hay, some one has been looking for you!
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surferpug
Dodge Dakota
6/01/2001
03:18:23
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Mopar designs these trucks to allow owners to beat the competetion, not to beat fellow mopar owners, that's just plain stupid. So chill out, both engine 4.7 and 5.9 are great engines, instead of fighting with each other go out and smoke the Ford/GM/Toyo next to you
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