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cbsdakota
Dodge Dakota
5/29/2001
06:07:37
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I just added up all the items on my project list for my 2000 3.9 RC auto. For an Airaid, 48mm Flometrics TB, ported heads, 1.7 rockers, custom cam, 19# injectors, Jet stage 2, shift kit, 3.93 LSD (3.55 no LSD stock), ignition, headers, high flow cat, Flowmaster, Edelbrock shocks and Hotchkis sway bar set, the grand total comes to $5140.00. That includes labor for the rear gear change. Since I bought the truck new for $14,000, that brings the total for a hot rod 6er to $19,140. Not, bad. I looked at 4.7's and they stickered for $19,000. If I go with a blower I still have to buy headers and many other goodies. Bringing the total back up to $5000. If I throw a blower on top of all those goodies I will be at around $7,700. Total $21,700 for the truck! So, the truck will have all the power I need, (more at the wheels than any stock 4.7 or R/T) and the insurance and gas mileage I can afford. (Check out Bernd's numbers. Only one or two mpg less than stock and he's pulling big ass tires.) Everytime I get on this site I see all the hipe about the V8's and think, "I'm just going to sell mine and buy a V8!" After seeing the numbers I'll stick with my 6. If I did buy a V8, I'ld be tempted to hot rod it, and considering the R/T is 24 g's and the parts for the 4.7 are few and expensive, I'ld be pushing $30,000 for a RC truck. And in this truck, people don't try to race me, so I stay out of trouble!
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Bernd
Gen III
5/29/2001
08:37:42
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Couldn't have said it better. :)
Did you also know that there is a gentleman with a V6 running 11-second 1/4 miles:
Name: Nick Kramar
Email: FastDodgeD@aol.com
Best 1/4 ET @ mph: 11.26@123.19
Best 1/8 ET @ mph: 7.56@99.97
Best 60 ft: 1.65 on slicks
Engine: 239ci / 3.9l V6
Transmission: 4 spd Auto
This is from the DragTruk page
http://www.dragtruk.com/ENTRIES/14et.html
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged @ 10#
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jeffster
Dodge Dakota
5/29/2001
12:46:35
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Mabye in England you saved $5,000 buying a V6. I paid only $1,200 more CAN for a OHC 4.7 that gets better fuel economy over the V6. No way $1,200 CAN dollars in mod's here could even make the 2 engines worth comparing.
I do get soaked for my insurance however but it will still take 20 years for it to equal more than the mod's to make a V6 run like a V8. Besides I am not even content with even a stock V8 and plan to get 12's out of this truck with in 2 years.
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Dan Ingler
Dodge Dakota
5/30/2001
01:18:53
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Hey Bernd
Had to wait for the drool to dry before I could respond to your link for the 11 sec v6.
I searched high and low for a website for Scitech (the ones who built the motor). Couldn't find one though. What do you think that setup would cost? Sure looked like a fun ride!!!
Dan Ingler
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surferpug
Dodge Dakota
6/01/2001
00:13:07
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Anyone know how I can cram the 585 mopar engine under my hood. I almost have enough to buy the engine along with dana 44 front and rear. I can do the mods in about four months
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
6/01/2001
01:28:44
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I hope you can do it. That would be hilarious. Hopefully you don't crush the front down with all that weight. If you do pull this off I will bow to thee. Hell I know it's possible I saw a Dak sport on the net with a V10 viper engine. You may have to rip shi.. out but anything is possible. I guess daily driving would be out of the question unless the motor comes with a siphon if you know what I mean.
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surferpug
Dodge Dakota
6/01/2001
02:31:53
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Well I know that four wheel off-road mag. did it to their 2000 quad cab. I'm just not sure what i need along with the new engine. If it is going to be too much work, i guess chop shop here i come
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jeffster
Dodge Dakota
6/01/2001
02:54:10
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What do you have for a truck/engine right now.
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surferpug
Dodge Dakota
6/01/2001
02:57:32
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I've got the 4.7L, thought it would be good, but once I did some lifting and bigger tires, well I lost quite a bit of power to turning 35inchers
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surferpug
Dodge Dakota
6/01/2001
03:01:00
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If this falls thru, (as long as I can find a good shop in my area that can do it), I giving the 4.7 to my sister to replace the ol' 2.0L in her '92 cherokee
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
6/01/2001
04:29:23
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So your a 4x4 then? Or a Bernd 4X4 imitation?
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cbsdakota
Dodge Dakota
6/01/2001
11:10:57
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Jeffster: I bought the truck in Texas before I was stationed in England!
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surferpug
Dodge Dakota
6/01/2001
16:51:46
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what's a bernd 4x4 imitation?? I don't understand that, but I will post pics of my truck soon. You'll see that I don't just throw mud onto the truck just for the shot, it really does throw serious mud onto itself, Getting my truck outfitted with dana 44 in the rear today. Slowly it will be one awesome ride.
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Jay
Dodge Dakota
6/01/2001
17:26:30
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Bernd has a nice truck but its a 2WD. He has a small lift and 32" tires.
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Jeff
Dodge Dakota
6/01/2001
18:38:34
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Wow cbs, just saw your first post. Man, you would make a hell of a salesman. If I was looking for a new truck to buy, I'd run right out and get me a 4.7! ;)
92 RC Sport 5.2 3.55 Auto
Mod'ed TB and intake, Flowmasters, 180 thermostat,
MOPAR PCM, MSD 6AL, NX
14.465/99.81
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cbsdakota
Dodge Dakota
6/02/2001
04:16:55
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What I was getting across was that I can build a 3.9 to eat a 4.7 for the price of a 4.7. Yes, with the same mods a 4.7 would eat me alive, but I have a 3.9 and everyone that has mildly modified 4.7's think they are fast as hell. SO, I'll stick with my 3.9 because, by the time I sell my truck and buy a 4.7. I will end up losing money on the sale of the 3.9 therefore paying more for the 4.7 and then spending ungodly amounts of money on the 4.7. $20,000 is about all I want to spend on a truck.
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Doug McCoach
Dodge Dakota
6/02/2001
12:36:49
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Cbsdakota, wow, I wish I had that kind of money to spend on performance upgrades, good for you!
I was casually talking to a Mopar distributor about Mopar dragging their feet with releasing high performance products for the 4.7L V8 when we got to talking about dropping in a crate motor. The 426 Hemi which puts out about 465 HP & 486 ft-lbs of torque from Mopar is only $3750 list, they could knock off 10%. Imagine addig a supercharger to this baby? He referrd me to a place in New York called Tucci Engineering who is renowned for their customizing ability. They said they could drop in the engine & with all the extra parts/mods/labor, the total cost would be aroung $10,000. If I don't trade in my 4.7L V8 truck for the 5.7L Hemi that is supposed to be available in a few years, I may look into swapping out my stock motor for a crate enigine when it wears out.
2000 QC 4x4 Auto 4.7L V8 3.55's
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cbsdakota
Dodge Dakota
6/02/2001
14:26:49
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When I said 20,000, that was including the cost of the truck, which was 14K. So, 6,000 is for mods. Like I said, originally, if money wasn't an object I would have bought a 4.7 or an R/T. But, money was an object and now I have some more to spend so I'm going to stick with the V6. The other deciding factor was the fact that we only had money for 1 vehicle and my wife refused to drive a stick. We were trading in her car so I ageed to get the V6 auto over the 4.7 5 speed. It was sad, but at least I got a Dak. This is the 4th V6 I have owned (and I've owned 4 Daks so I have never had the pleasure of a V8.) I guess I was destined to drive a 6. At least when I smoke a S-10 or a Ranger they can't whine about me having a bigger engine. And full size trucks can't whine that I have the same size engine in a smaller truck! :)
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
6/02/2001
14:44:10
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WOW cbs, you would make a good salesman......but I'll keep my V8 - thank you. Just never could get a V6 to sound like a V8. No offense intended. I understand your point and I appreciate what you and others have done with the underrated V6s. I attempted to get V6s to put out a sound that I liked. Many mufflers later I bought a V8. Witness the Buick Turbo Regals - very fast but the sound is terrible. Its just that I love that american V8 sound. Always have and always will.
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Jeff
Dodge Dakota
6/02/2001
16:09:27
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You forgot to add in that sales pitch for a V8 that, after all that time and money you put into that V6, its still going to be slower or only as fast as a stock V8. Then your done, limit reached. No mustang eating for you. My choice would be to buy a V8, START at the V6 limit, and build from there. Sucks to have traction problems though with the V8. But then, I guess its not as bad as not having traction problems...
92 RC Sport 5.2 3.55 Auto
Mod'ed TB and intake, Flowmasters, 180 thermostat,
MOPAR PCM, MSD 6AL, NX
14.465/99.81
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Shawn
Gen III
6/02/2001
16:20:19
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So, I spent 15K + TT&T on my 5.2L 4x4 and put the same mods on it. Wonder which will fair better, mines alot heavier, but has two more pistons.
Just a thought,
Shawn
98 5.2L 4x4 CC
Powerdyne SC @9PSI (When the damn thing shows up)
Leach PCM
JBA Headers
Gibson dual Catback
50mm FM TB
24# Ford Injectors
Bernds IAT Adjuster
MSD6BTM
Blaster SS Coil
MSD 8.5mm Wires
The usual 180Stat and 3923's
Comming
Crane Cam
Crane 1.7 rockers & Rods
M-1 Intake
4.10 Gears (Stuck with 3.5's for now)
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
6/02/2001
16:27:42
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Hey everybody, look at Jeff. 14.465 with no nitrous, no blower, no sh*t. Bet it sounds like a V8 too. What a waste of $. Hehe
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Jeff
Dodge Dakota
6/02/2001
16:35:16
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Close Wayne, 15.1, no nitrous, no blower, minor sh1t. And yeah, it definately sounds like a V8. Thinking about putting on a quiet muffler for an even better "sleeper" effect.
92 RC Sport 5.2 3.55 Auto
Mod'ed TB and intake, Flowmasters, 180 thermostat,
MOPAR PCM, MSD 6AL, NX <--- nitrous
14.465/99.81 (w/50 shot)
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
6/02/2001
16:43:25
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Oh! Sorry! I didn't see the NX on the earlier post. I must say that I thought you had some fast numbers for a auto/3.55 with so few mods. Still pretty quick. You were lucky enough to get one of those '92-'93 engines.
Hope everyone understands that I am just messing around. I do have a preference to V8s but I respect the guys with sooped up motors of all configurations. I've learned a lot from guys with 4 cylinders. Taught my son how to drag race in a V6. You should see him now.
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cbsdakota
Dodge Dakota
6/02/2001
18:01:50
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Jeff, I did, somewhere up there, try to say exactly what you said. Yes, V6's that run like a stock V8 are maxed out, but, that's all I want. I drove a stock 318 and would be happy to stick with that. So, maxing out my 6 will put me ABOVE a stock 318. I'm not interested in eating mustangs. I leave that to you guys with V8's. I enjoy modifying, not for the MOST power, but for the shear fun of making something run to it's potential. If I wanted to have "THE MOST POWER", I would have a big block, blown with 13:1 compression with a 300 shot of nitrous with 5.85 gears or some sh*t!! My father in law loves VW Beetles. They start with a 1600cc and bore them, stroke them, cam, whatever and get at best 200 hp. (And that's getting radical!) It's just fun to take something you like and make it faster. I would never try to run a V8 unless they were stock and mine was blown. I just enjoy taking a truck that runs like a truck and making it run more like a roadster or something. Yeah, a little over 200 horses at the wheels is all I may have but it makes me happy and will be more than enough to jump out in traffic and get out of the way. Mopars forever! :)
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