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Chris
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4/20/2003
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I just got a 4.7 5spd auto 3:55 Stampede pakage. My friend with a 90 5.0 rustang figures he will beat my ass. I was hoping that i will be able to at least stick with him. I cant race him right now because he has it in storage. All i have is an intake.
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slow2dak
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4/20/2003
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most of the fox body stangs wit 5 speeds can run in the high 14's. is it an LX or a GT? if its an LX and a 5 speed the imma say it will run somewhere in the 14.60-14.70 range if he can hook it up. is your truck a RC or CC? id say take it to the track and find out. if he beats ya call me and ill bring out my 69 Charger and embarras hm for ya.
mike
02 4.7/Auto RC Sport
3.55 and a one legged wonder
removed 3rd cat, single 3" w/flowmaster
tps .701
relocated IAT
Adjustable ECT sensor
K & N drop in
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Unplugged LPS(soon to be adjustable)
Best 1/4: 15.40 @ 89.52
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sam23
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4/20/2003
16:22:10
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What does he have done to the 5.0. Auto or man. I have a 4.7 Quad Cab, 3.55 gears, exhaust, intake, and thats about it. I can beat any stock 5.0 5-speed or auto and can beat an auto with minor mods. It all depends on his mods. Stock 5.0's are slow but are cheap and easy to make fast.
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Chris
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4/20/2003
16:57:00
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He has a 90 lx coupe 4 speed auto bone stock
and i have 03 4x2 cc and i have an intake. just got the truck two days ago
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sam23
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4/20/2003
19:42:17
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You will take him easily, no doubt in my mind.
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Chris
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4/20/2003
20:36:06
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Thanks alot man
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slow r/t man
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4/20/2003
20:51:10
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86 Mustang..... the first year for fuel injection and also the lightest. Awsome car. I think you will get beat but alot depends on the drivers. You can't really compare trucks to cars, its not real fair. You don't see comparison between cars and bikes. apples and oranges
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franlofter
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4/20/2003
21:50:30
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I can tell you the mustangs with 5.0 auto Sux, I owned one. if its a Manual you might be even race but auto you will win. My 01 Dak 4.7 5 speed manual will beat a stock GT not by much though. I had a Tacoma with the V6 in it that ran even with GTs up to 60 MPH If that gives you any idea.
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chris allen
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4/20/2003
23:17:32
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I think what slow r/t pointed at should be key. I had 2 mustangs at different points both modded and stock at diffenent times. My 88 lx 5.0 5spd was very quick stock, and my modded 92 gt 5.0 5sd was much quicker with a host of bolt ons and either of them would have waxed my dak now. Not for nothing but a stock 5spd 5.0 fox body should dust any stock 4.7 dak, and just not quite as bad with an auto......given both are stock. I have a 4.7 dak now, and Id be crazy if I bought it to try to keep up with stangs. Completely different vehicles built from the factory for completely different purposes.
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Chris
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4/20/2003
23:42:43
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Do any of you guys know how much torque and horsepower a 90 lx 5.0 auto produces?
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steve
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4/20/2003
23:57:06
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I will have to agree with chris allen, I have had a 86GT and a 91LX mustang both with 5 speed.The 86 was quick but only had 205 stock HP.The 91 was very quick I put in the 3:55 gears and pitched the 3:08s it had stock 225 HP. Now I am curious Sam 23, lets see 225 hp 300 ft-lbs in a 3150 lb car with 5 speed vs a 230 hp 295 ft-lb in a nearly 4000 lb TRUCK with 5 speed and traction woes and you can easily beat them ? Who is driving these stangs? No disrespect but when I put in the 3:55s in my stang and nothing else but octane booster it ran 14.2-3 all day long! Not being a dick but come on. I do own a Dak now and love it so I'm not flaming Daks.Just my 2 bits.
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ShortSport
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4/20/2003
23:59:53
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chris...my friend brent has an 88mustang GT bone stock and it has a borg-warren 5speed(or something like that...) we smoked the tires and lined up ....from 0-135kmh i lead the run and then he pasted me slowly..... he is a good driver and knows the car well owned it for 5years now.....i say with the cc and if you have an auto it will be to close to say
2002 Reg cab 4x2 4.7 5-spd 3.55.1 LSD
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Chris
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4/21/2003
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Thanks for the input guys i will try and give him a run for his money anyway.
i just traded my 2000 4x4 v6 for the 4.7 3 days ago and i just love it i just wanted to know what i was capable of stock.
thanks guys
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Notchlx
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4/21/2003
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My 1991 LX Notchback...
14.30 Stone Stock. 225-50-16 bald tires.
14.00 4:10 gears, off-road H-pipe, flows
13.90 65MM TB
13.80 73MM C&L MAF
12.50 Paxton SN-93 6psi on DOT tires.
5-spd... Sorry guys, come on. The worst I've seen 87-93's run even with the auto, (with a decent driver) has been 15.20's. Most GT's Stock run in the 14.70 range.(on street tires) Most LX's run 14.40's or better.
For nothing, you can have a 12 second car. All the parts except for the exhaust, I bought used. I had about $2,100 tied up in mine. Wish I could mod the 4.7L for that. Wish I was going as quick for the mods too.
I'm not saying its impossible to beat them, I did it in the Dakota before it was supercharged, but it didn't happen often. (and there are plenty to race around here.) When I would come out on top, it was a run to 60mph or so, anything after that, they would wax my ass.
Even now, I get my clock cleaned good by some of the stangs. It's alright when they beat me though, because I still have the excuse..."IT'S A TRUCK"!
hehehe
Why compare?
The auto to auto race? Dude I think you'll have your ass handed to you, if he can launch without frying the tires.
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Demon Dakota
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4/21/2003
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The 225 HP LX Mustangs (w/ 5 speed) can easily get 14.5's stock. I'm guessing an auto adds .5 seconds to the 1/4 run, but I don't know since I've never ran or raced an auto 5.0 Mustang. They are cheap and easy to mod (like aircooled VW's). Good performance cars for the money.
K&N Drop in AF (CAI during summer months)
True Dual exhaust and removed third cat
HO Cams & HO Intake
FASTMAN 70mm TB
Autolite 3923 Plugs
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IAT Adjuster Mod
14.52@94.2 MPH at Silver Dollar Raceway
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Sam23
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4/21/2003
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You are all missing the point here, yes a mustang can be extremely fast and kill any of our trucks, but he is asking if his 5-speed 4.7 will beat a bone stock 5.0 auto. Now I dont know how many of you are familiar with an stock auto 5.0, but they (suck). I owned a 5.0 auto with mods and my dad beat me with a Ford F-350 1 ton Quad Cab. So the fact here is, YES you will beat this specific mustang, No Doubt.
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steve
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4/21/2003
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There must of been some serious problems with that 5.0 cause auto's still run low to mid 15's ,that being said no F350 QC is doing low to mid 15's without a lot of help. Just doesn't seem right to me. Not to say that your Dak is losin' for sure but it ain't going to be easy. Good luck man!
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Jason
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4/21/2003
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Im no Ford guy but the 5.0 will probably spank you. I have an 02 R/T with some bolt ons and exhaust and I couldn't touch my buddies old 91 5.0 or his new 02 GT. With cold air intake, exhaust, and 4.10 gears his 02 runs 13.7 and on the street I can't come close to him.
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00RT/03Cob
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4/21/2003
16:11:38
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You'll need a couple mods atleast to hang with a stock 5.0. Im going to go out on a limb and say the guys running atleast a K&N. All im saying is do not underestimate the fox. I have an 00 R/T with a Shaker and a PCM and dads K&N'ed 5.0 5 speed can still put me down.
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chris allen
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4/21/2003
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Dude, if your dad spanked you with an f-350, maybe your stang wasnt running properly. Auto or not, they are quick cars stock, and easily modded for little money. Most on the streets especially now are modded to some point. Any race will all depend on driving ability, but there is no way possible an f-350 should spank a 5.0. My lx that was a speed density car was quicker stock for stock than my mass air gt, but once modded that gt was quick...... Maybe your dad was messin with your car, lol. Everyone thinks their cars are so quick....this and that...get on the track and have two good drivers race and there will be no contest between an f-350 and a fox body 5.0. Mind you, I currently have a dakota not a stang, I mean come on..
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Sam23
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I had a bone stock auto 5.0, no mods, 73000 miles, ran perfect. He had a 95 F-350 (460 CI), K&N, True dual exhaust, a hypertech programmer and lower gear ratio, but also had a 5 inch lift with 38" tires on it. When we raced, it was close but he still took me, we didnt pass 70 though so I probably would have beat him after that. He also said that for some reason the truck was runining extremely well that day. That 460 could light those 38" super swampers with no problem.
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Chris
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4/21/2003
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Do i have any chance in hell?? lol
if they run high 14's to low 15's then i may not have a chance. i just dont want to get killed to bad.there is no local track here but we will probably end up doing a few light to light races or something. when i race i wil post the results.
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chris allen
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Id say if you are racing light to light, sure you have a lot better of a shot than at the track just because of so many variables that can come into play and can work to your favor. At a track you should get spanked by any fox body 5.0.
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chris allen
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sam23, that must have been embarassing. I would not say that is the norm in your specific situation.
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cryppie
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I would have to disagree with chris allen. You would have a better chance at the track than you would stoplight to stoplight. Since most (ALL with your 3.55 auto) Mustangs will get the jump on you at the light, you will be playing catch-up every time, and probably run out of room before you catch him. At the track, every Mustang I raced would have beat me at the 1/8th because of my 3.55 gears and auto. I would pass them after the 1/8th mark every time, but never before the 1/8th. Now with the 2400 stall torque converter, it's a different story. The Mustangs (5.0 type)I ran were WAY modified, running 14.0-14.6. Speaking of modified, where the hell did you find a 5.0L Mustang BONE STOCK?
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chris
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4/22/2003
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My friend got it last year and the previous owner hadnt touched it and now he is building up some cash to trick it up.
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paysonbadboy
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4/22/2003
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I miss my Mustang. Never let a women cause you to sell a hot rod. Kick her to the curb instead, trust me or you'll regret it!!!
Those cars are so cheap to build. I had a carberated 5.0, stock bottom end but different heads, single plane intake, BIG cam, and Holley double pumper turned it to 7,000 RPM's, something you'll not be doing with your 4.7 any time soon. I assume I could do 12's easy. Never did take it to the track when I lived out of the city.
I raced my friends 318 powered '73 Duster (probably was a 14 TO 15 sec car). We always thought it ran pretty good too. But we had a section of road roughly 1/4 mile long and when we raced he was not even 2/3 of the way down the road when I was at the end. I KILLED his 318 Dodge!!!
He does have a 425 HP 360 he was building but haulted on for a few years. All them good parts all the way down to thet stainless steel valves are sitting in a pile. He turned into a hillbilly and lost interest or something. He's still got the Duster. I'd like to see that 360 in that light car. They are lighter than Stangs!!!
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chris allen
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4/22/2003
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Way modified at 14.0-14.6????? Those times dont seem right. The stang should pull hard once moving and hooked up.......and that is when it should really lose the dak. Stock 5spd 5.0's are mid-high 14sec capable. I had all bolt ons and was running 14.2-14.3 with not so great hookup at green, and not very experienced. This was also with a gt, and with my trap speed of just about 98 ........I believe it should have been a high 13 second car. Take a notchback 5spd, and a little practice and you are talking easy low 14 second times with the weight loss and the structure of it. On the street there are so many driver errors, and variables that a quick stang with a young driver trying to showoff can easily foul up and make your dak the winner. I have a picture of this one import that simply blew me off the line, but once I hooked I screamed passed him.
Chris
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cryppie
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4/22/2003
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Chris (allen),
The 14.0-14.6 times are what I saw for the highly modified NA 5.0L's. In comparison, the new Z28's and firebirds were running 14.5's and an older (95 maybe?) corvette was running a 14.4. This was at carolina dragway before the track was redone. It is the same place Notchlx runs, and I'm sure he can confirm those times. They all hooked up fine, most running street slicks, but it seemed like they all "ran out of gas" after the 1/8th. Might have been their low gears running out and my high (3.55) gears kicking in.
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Notchlx
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4/22/2003
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I can attest to some of the shutty times at Jackson, but like I stated above. The slowest 87-93 GT's I've run or seen run aren't any slower than 15.20 this is with someone who knows how to drive. Of course I've seen Junior get out there with Daddy's car and spin to a 19 second E.T..
Nobody believed me when I said I was running 14.0's @100mph and winning against an auto'd Z-28, and some Mustangs. I have gotten my ass smacked there too, plenty. I have videos, just can't get them on my computer.
The track goes up-hill after the 1/8th, and most racers hate it, but it's a good place to compare times.
I will say though, WAY modded stangs down there are running anywhere from 8's to low 13's. I don't really consider a few bolt-ons to be way modded.
Now the 96-98 GT's??? That's a different story all together. I've personally driven my buddies 96, with a 5-spd, K&N, Flowmaster, E.T. Streets, and skinnies up front to a 15.30 ET. This was without spinning a LICK, and shifting like the wind. I told him to sell it ASAP.
I posted earlier about auto to auto. Stock for Stock the Mustang(equal drivers) will win, BUT....There is the chance of a) Jumping him on the light. b) him spinning, badly. c) his car being way out of tune. It is a 1990, that has been sitting all winter.
At any rate, go race him. The worst that could happen is you lose. Then you just tell him, "well crap, it's a truck. What'd you expect?"
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cryppie
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4/22/2003
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Yes, I should have said many bolt-ons instead of way modded. I guess I have never seen any "Way" modded (NA) mustangs at Jackson.
The 96-98 GT's have trouble beating the newer V6's. I've seen them run low 16's, while the V6's ran mid 16's. It's fun to catch them on the street, although by now most of them already know they are slow.
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