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IntenseDak39
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4/13/2003
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hey now... considering i have a turbo made for a car that was a draw-through turbo where the turbo sat between the carb and the intake, i could do it... hell the turbo has the carbon seals in it so its ready!! but nah...
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TurboGuy
Dodge Dakota
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4/14/2003
07:22:29
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Wow, I see the homo's have conviened this weekend.
You can spray a small "dry" shot of nitrous to cool the intake charge. To compensate, you can add a smidge more fuel..which shouldnt be a problem with the FMU or similiar item.
You bobos that say the water never makes it to the cylinders are on crack. WHere do you think the water goes?
And FWIW, if you dont have the money to do things "correct" then you should get into another hobby. Speed costs money.
A larger turbo or blower will not create lag. Shows how much knowledge you have about modern day turbocharging. You guys can keep crawling with your TB spacers and your Ztube "ice cooled" intake air filters..lol. Just paint your trucks green and put a sign on the tailgate that says "Caution: Turtle at the wheel"...lol
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IntenseDak39
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4/14/2003
11:41:15
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"if you dont have the money to do things "correct" then you should get into another hobby"
sorry, i dont have the money to properly tune my truck so i am taking the turbo stuff off.. sorry i didnt realize that because you type your name as "TurboGuy" you know so much about turbos...
Yes, a turbo that is too big for its application will cause turbo lag... thats even if it can produce any boost at all. Go get a turbo off of a 13.5 liter diesel and see how well that works on an engine.. say... 5.2 liters or 5.9... There really isnt anything modern about turbos... every bit of technology used on them today was invited a long time ago. Hell, my turbo i am using is 25 years old. The only thing out there that is really to help with lag is VNT turbos.. and those were first produced by chrysler in the mid to late 80s (lebaron GTS and others alike).
okay, now you seriously think that water/alky injection will leave puddles of water in your engine (or whatever the hell you think)... Here is a test for you:
first: remove head from ass
second: turn on your oven to about 275 degrees (yes thats about the intake charge on a non intercooled boosted motor).
third: located a can of hair spray (alky/water mixture)
fourth: spray hair spray into oven... and let me know if any of it actually hits the back wall on your oven.
finally: put head back in ass
now, believe me or not but the water does vaporize before combustion... water injection doesnt spray water into the engine like a water gun... it sprays a mist that vaporizes quickly.
you can argue this till the day you die but since you seem to know nothing about it and have no experience with it just keep your "OPINIONS" to yourself...
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Scott
Dodge Dakota
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4/14/2003
12:52:38
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Let's see... spray hair spray into a hot oven. Doesn't sound like a swift idea to me. Fuel, ignition source, confined space? Damn, somewhere I read that you need these 3 components to make something....
Scott
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kota on 20s
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4/14/2003
12:53:56
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k so, you think that a verry small spray from water/alky mix that is injected into the intake tube will go through the throttlebody, into the manifold, down the runners, into the cylender heads, make its way throught the valves, and into the 8 "freaking" cylenders?
BTW you do know that alky is a lot colder than water, and it evaporates quiker right?
yeah, ok..
~Eric
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kota on 20s
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4/14/2003
13:05:09
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oh and i must have missed the homo gathering. this weekend i was with the SW chapter of the dakota RT club checking out the Gale Banks facility (specifically the sidewinder dakota that ran 222mph)
i asked them what they thought about water/alky injection on MY truck with the blower, and he said it would work good, and get rid of some heat. he reminded me that cars that run on alcohol usually do not need coolant in the block because tha alky is so cold.
the guy that i talked to is building a mercedes SL600 from the ground up and will drag race, has a quad turbo (thats 4 turbo's if you cant count that high), 540CI engine, and will run on alcohol.
thanks, but ill take his advice
~Eric
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IntenseDak39
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4/14/2003
13:05:32
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damnit scott... you take all the fun out of it...
eric, now remember... he is the "TURBOGUY" all hail the turboguy... all hail the turboguy...
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Danny
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4/14/2003
13:32:37
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Having first hand experience with boosted engines over the years I have learned quite a few things.
The most important thing I have learned is that YES it does take money to make a car go fast BUT NO it doesn't take a millionaire to do it.
Odds are that if you spend much time at the race track you'll notice that most of the guys with the top dollar blowers and high end performance mods are running slower or about the same as the garage mechanic junky who fabbed his own stuff, and spent thousands less then the cash burning mod junky. There are a few reasons for this.
Cash burning mod junkys usually don't work on their own cars. They go to performance shops and say "I have a lot of money how can I spend it and make my car go fast." These performance shops usually work on SEVERAL different makes and models of cars and dont specialize in one particular model so they recommend all of these expensive parts and do the install. Sure they tune the car a little but they dont take it out for hours on end and fine tune every little detail. The cash spending mod junky figures he just paid a lot of money so his car is as fast as can be and is content with it.
The garage junky on the other hand researches every mod he does and installs the best bang for his buck mods he can. Specializing in his car and only his car. Why spend $4,000 on a blower thats gonna give me 50HP when I can add all the supporting mods for $1,000 and get just as much HP then add the blower later? Being that the garage junky does his own work he knows how to tune every aspect of everything in his car.
YOU CAN have a fast car for a reasonable price. Sure it takes money but it doesn't take a LOT of money to go fast. If that's your belief then maybe you should save yourself a LOT of money and find a new hobby like crocheting or something. Even high end crocheting will be cheaper then having some shop mod your truck.
And turbo Dak where'd you get your exhaust manifold fabbed. Right now I'm debating on going charged or turbo'd. I know a lot more about turbos and overall they are more efficient then s/c's but it seems to be a lot more expensive then an s/c not to mention all the extra work it'll be plumbing water lines and oil lines to a turbo. If I can go turbo for the right price I might just accept the extra headaches and do it.
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Franky
Dodge Dakota
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4/14/2003
13:49:02
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You guys and yur turbo's, wanabe blowers, injection, Z- tubes and tricks really don't know squat. Bolt as much trash on a motor as you can physically buy on the internet from any tire salesman with a web parts page. Don't you get it. Yur truck came stock with less than 300hp. Spend 3-4k on all that trash and show up at the dragway and get 14's in the 1/4..OOOOOHH! and think that's fast. I got 13's with a sbc that I put together with what I could put my hands on / I WAS 16! total cost about $1500. And no it wasn't 20 years ago I'm 30. I know what the prob. is, you all have "0" knowledge of what it takes to make hp and have watched f&f. (HIGH-TECH0)ie.,turbo,blower,injection, I have an intake in my cellar I could bult on my granny's 73 caprice classic and it would walk ur dak.(total cost $600) By the way, how much hp does all that bolt on crap give you? what go from 235 to 285 on a dyno? If I changed my pistons to 8:1 compression and bolted a blower on my piston slappin 327 I would be scarred. It dyno'e at 409 hp. Bottom line If you guys want to save some (alot) of money, throw that trash under yur hood away after it gets tired and buy yurself a mopar performance crate or block and build it. Till then stop trying baffle people with bullsh1t and all yur tech sh1t that is actually quite pathetic at the track. especially when teenagers are outshifting and beating you in the 1/4. And oh yea fuel inj. is also trash.
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IntenseDak39
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4/14/2003
13:51:11
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"And turbo Dak where'd you get your exhaust manifold fabbed."
now if that was for turbo queer, i mean turboguy, he doesnt even have a turbocharged dakota.
if that was for me, i made my own manifold using a jba flange, 1 3/4 primary turbes, and 2" crossover tubes. It can be done very cheap if you know how to do the work yourself or know someone who will do it for a cheaper price. I am probably what you would call a "garage junky"... i do all my work and usually make my own parts. The only reason i am getting rid of my turbo and parts is because i have a wedding in two months from today and have a lot to spend... so the turbo will never be able to be tuned properly.
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kota on 20s
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4/14/2003
14:06:32
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frankly, a mopar crate block will not pass smog here in CA. and since no one could not use there PCM, none of the guages would work.
i know that making a truck go fast dosent make as much sence as making a V8 car go fast, but i just think of it as a hobby. some people build RC cars, others collect cards, but i enjoy my truck. based on my 1/8 times, i should be in the 13.5-13.7 range with only 5#'s of boost on my 318, and thats short shifting at 5000 rpm. with the 11# pulley thats now on it, and a flash that will let me shift it at 6000 rpm, it should run verry low 13's/ high 12's depending on the conditions.
i dont think thats bad for truck thats a daily driver
~Eric
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Franky
Dodge Dakota
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4/14/2003
14:40:59
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I wouldn't use the pcm or the guages anyway. All u need is the tach, oil press, and in cab pro-logic timming controle. But yea I can respect that, Im just sayin some people on this and other boards think their sh1t is just the fastest. When in fact none of v8 motors offerd in our daks can be modified to do crap. I don't care what u bolt on it.The only way to make one do anything would be to do away with the fuel inj.and fuel management all together. Change the compression to something respectable,bigger heads, bigger lift and longer duration cam, multi spark box with the pro logic timing controle, and hope the journals will hold the crank and main bearings in. Thiat might sound old school but it get down there alot quicker and cheeper.
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IntenseDak39
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4/14/2003
14:52:39
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now Fanky, while all that sounds cool and all... none of that would make for a street legal daily driver. Most of the people on this board are modifying daily drivers to their fullest potential. Now you may not think that there is any potential in these motors but many people have proven so... hell there is one guy with a daily driven 10 second dakota.
my baby cousin can make a sbc go 13s for $1500... thats because small block chevies are the most common block in the US. While i have probably spent about $1000 more than that on my V6, it runs 13s... it actually ran 13s better for less when i had the nitrous and no turbo...
sorry never saw fast and the furious... but when i was 17 i did own and build a 12 second fuel injected turbocharged dodge... but must be where my "0" knowledge comes into play....
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kota on 20s
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4/14/2003
15:02:49
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"When in fact none of v8 motors offerd in our daks can be modified to do crap."
i dont know what you consider fast, but there are a lot of 4200+lb trucks in the 11's with the stock block, all steel body, and nothing more to the suspencion than hotchkis and dragshocks. and they still have AC, cruise controll, and verry streetable
i know its not a 9sec pro-street car, but its good in my book.
i would LOVE to get my hands on a old muscle car (69 road runner, 65 belvedere, or 71 'cuda) with a 383 or 440, and just have torque from he11, but buying parts for this truck is a hellofa lot cheaper! LOL
~Eric
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Daksmack
Dodge Dakota
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4/14/2003
15:12:44
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Damn, someone sure blew up Franky's skirt. I would have a Dak in the 10's if I could just get that big block shoe horned in there.
I dont think anyone on here ever said that their Dakota was the fastet truck on the planet. I agree with intensedak, I got my truck to drive all over Dallas (about 3000 miles per month). It would be nice to be able to get a daily truck to hit the 13's or so.
It would be fun to be able to shoot for track speed records every day, but have you ever tried to drive a rail job in rush hour traffic?
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TurboGuy
Dodge Dakota
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4/15/2003
08:07:30
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Sorry, I was busy working on an 8 sec turbo motorcycle last night and didnt have time to post with you fools.
Lets get something straight...I will only post under "TurboGuy"...not some assumed name. You can have the moderator check the IP address if you are so inclined. My email is: a750turbo@hotmail.com if you would like to discuss this further.
IntenseDak...if you want to use 25yr old turbos...be my guest. Garrett has come a long way with the new GT series. They are ~85% efficient out of the box. With some tweaking, can be made to almost 90%. They flow better than your T3/4 hybirds...by a mile.
Kotaon20s...I know alcohol evaporates quicker...thats why I dont use it in my turbo applications...it evaporates too quick!
Everyone has their own theorys. The Banks truck is a diesel and irrelevant. As for Mercedes, lets just say I got rid of an SL600 because its a POS. Find out how much a DI module costs for one of those cars and get back to me. You'd have to deliver 500 extra papers a day to afford it...lol
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kota on 20s
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4/15/2003
12:05:16
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LMAO! do you think they were going to drag race a stock benz?
i have more pics if ya wana see them
~Eric
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kota on 20s
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4/15/2003
12:18:54
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>>>"The Banks truck is a diesel and irrelevant"
"i asked them what they thought about water/alky injection on MY truck with the blower"
maby you should read these posts a little better...:-/
and if you think the JUST know there $hit about diesel, and NOTHING about gas cars, you need to go back and play with your vespa
this is Gale Banks' personal grocery getter.. yes its going to run on pump gas
~Eric
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IntenseDak39
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4/15/2003
12:46:40
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infact they do know a little about gas engines.. the old "fastest gas powered truck" title was theirs also... it was a Cyclone.
wow 8 seconds with a turbo!
my brother ran his gixxer in 9 seconds... couldnt repeat it because he got kicked off the track after that. Only mods he had was jetting, new sprockets, filter, and new exhuast.
pretty effecient turbo you got there!
WAY TO GO TURBOGUY!!!!
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TurboGuy
Dodge Dakota
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4/16/2003
06:53:03
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Wow Intense...9secs..not impressed. And 9.90s is not fast...being that showroom stock motorcycles go 9.70s right out of the box (my personal best is 9.80s @ 143.
When your silly bro can run 8.80s on a 1.6 and 4.2 330 time on a street tire..come talk to me.
Nice pics Kotaon20s
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wow
Dodge Dakota
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4/16/2003
09:48:25
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I wish I was as cool as TurboGuy.
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Trukguy
Dodge Dakota
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4/16/2003
10:35:18
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It's too bad all of turboguys vast knowledge is wasted on a silly 2-wheeled motorcycle. Just think what he could do with a dakota. Does he have a dakota? or is he just here for the mental masturbation? I would think that someone with turboguys incredible knowledge and wisdom would be capable of getting a dakota into the 9's! I mean afterall money doesnt appear to be an issue. Show us what you got turboguy.
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IntenseDak39
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4/16/2003
10:42:24
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thats my point turbo queer... you brag about having an eight second TURBO motorcycle... now yourself said they can run 8s stock!!!!
hahahahahahhahahahaha
maybe you should go get "A larger turbo or blower" and you "will not create lag" so you will "drop intake temps 20-40 degrees." waitt... but you will still be "busy working on an 8 sec turbo motorcycle last night and didnt have time to post" and it will still be an "8 sec turbo motorcycle"!!!!!
go add 3 more turbos... no lag and maybe you can hit the LOW 8s
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TurboGuy
Dodge Dakota
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4/16/2003
17:37:29
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IntenseDak...maybe you should sell some parts to pay for your wedding...lol.
Whats the matter? Didnt like to do homework in school? Couldnt make it past Community College or night school?
I said they run 9.70s out of the box. Guess you missed reading comprehension classes too?
Im done with your ignorant and indigent asses. Yes, lets all use a "small and ineffiecient" blower and put a bandaid on it to cure the detonation problem. Yeap..you're brilliant
Trukfag...I already posted my email. Shoot me one if you are man enough. I promise Ill answer it. We can review my personal toybox in person if you like. I promise, you wont be disappointed.
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IntenseDak39
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4/16/2003
18:01:21
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i am selling parts for my wedding... didnt realize that that means i have no education.
i figured it meant i have a turbo i have nothing to do with, same for a BOV, intercooler, wheels and hood...
i figured that 8.8 meant your best on a non turbocharged bike... sorry. did realize you only ran a 8.8 on a turbo-bike.
btw, i was using a little too small of a turbo but it was enough to put 8 lbs of boost into the manifold and run my dak about 4 seconds faster than most other V6s.
i know 8.8 is fast as hell on a bike and best of luck to ya! but i just think it should be a little faster before you drag about it being a TURBO bike...
besides what kinda bike is it?
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TurboGuy
Dodge Dakota
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4/16/2003
18:13:12
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IntenseDak..dont take me serious, Im an idiot sometimes(ok all the time)..lol
Its a 99 Suzuki Hayabusa. 63" wheelbase and lowered 2". Velocity Racing turbo. Uses a Garret GT28 turbo with progressive controller, no intercooler and straight water injection.
1300cc motor with dished turbo pistons and a stock motor (no port work, just heavier valve springs)
Airshifter and a DOT drag radial by MT.
Best past to date by me has been 8.71 @ 165. A fly weight has gone .40s.
Im a full second ++ off the fastest streetbike in the world! Just dont have a spare $35k lying around to persue it..hehe.
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IntenseDak39
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4/16/2003
18:32:01
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cool... my brother is a suzuki freak.. i think his gixxer was a 89 750 with some good mods. Now he owns a 2001 TL1000Sr i believe.. pretty fast too but not as quick
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Tom D
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4/17/2003
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I tend to trust the experts, see http://www.kennebell.net/accessories/waycool/waycool.htm
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